cement

Don't be so testy. I just wanted to know what brand of linseed oil
putty you get at hardware stores. As I said many manufactures stopped
producing linseed oil putty. Even Dap.

"burn down the house"? Did I say that?

"Vic" wrote in message
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Don't be so testy. I just wanted to know what brand of linseed oil
putty you get at hardware stores. As I said many manufactures stopped
producing linseed oil putty. Even Dap.

"burn down the house"? Did I say that?



What's wrong with Linseed Oil as an ingredient? Why did they stop using it?

Last time I was in Home Depot looking for Turpentine, they didn't have any
at all. Wonder what owl-loving tree hugger screwed that up?

Java

By all means do what you like. No argument from me. It's called a
discussion. There are others who are learning. So any and all info is
important to THEM.

As you know in a few years putty starts to dry out. First on the
outside edge, then eventually under the came leaf. As this happens the
plaster also dries out and starts absorbing moisture. Nothing we do
happens very quickly. The possible damage I spoke of takes many years
to happen. Technique is relative to the type of work you do.
Residential jobs often require different approaches then church or
historical jobs.

Do you wet (brush) putty or thumb putty? Wet putty takes longer to set
up then thumb putty. Do you use "raw" or "boiled" linseed oil? Raw
takes a lot longer to set up.

I don't know what the deal is. I've been told by retailers that
traditional materials like linseed oil, linseed oil putty,whiting are
not selling very well. So they stop carrying them, so there is little
need to manufacture them. Recently I had to go to 4 different store to
fine raw linseed oil. Whiting is a special order from Janovic (a large
NYC paint store).

"Vic" wrote in message
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I don't know what the deal is. I've been told by retailers that
traditional materials like linseed oil, linseed oil putty,whiting are
not selling very well. So they stop carrying them, so there is little
need to manufacture them. Recently I had to go to 4 different store to
fine raw linseed oil. Whiting is a special order from Janovic (a large
NYC paint store).

Got any Grass Football fields near you for the local sports teams, High
school, whatever? That's what they put on the field for marker lines,
doesn't burn the grass or the kids eyes.... try a different line of
suppliers, the cut stone people usually have it also, for the local
teams...about $3.00 a bag

"Vic" wrote in message
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Java

By all means do what you like. No argument from me. It's called a
discussion. There are others who are learning. So any and all info is
important to THEM.

As you know in a few years putty starts to dry out. First on the
outside edge, then eventually under the came leaf. As this happens the
plaster also dries out and starts absorbing moisture. Nothing we do
happens very quickly. The possible damage I spoke of takes many years
to happen. Technique is relative to the type of work you do.
Residential jobs often require different approaches then church or
historical jobs.

Do you wet (brush) putty or thumb putty? Wet putty takes longer to set
up then thumb putty. Do you use "raw" or "boiled" linseed oil? Raw
takes a lot longer to set up.

Good, a little background then....

I use boiled Linseed oil, and we brush it in, I am going for speed. (LOVE
the Zing brush, ask me about it, you will love it too.)

Small shop, few people, and everybody has more than one job on any given
day. I need to maximize production time.

I got into this business in the late 70's building decorative door lites for
a then-new industry in the Northern Midwest, Steel Entry doors for
residential construction and remodeling. They wanted something decorative,
for their doors. When you are touting the benefits of Thermal Insulated
steel entry doors, you can't put a single pane glass in it, so the advent of
thermal dual pane glass units.

We leaded the windows and at first, did not putty, they were going inside a
thermal. But cleaning was a problem, spend more time cleaning than
building. Then there was the rattle of the glass/lead inside the thermal,
tried cementing, solved both problems, cleaning is not as bad and no dust
drops out of the leads while in the door.
Note: CANNOT install in a house with no overhang that faces south, will
off-gas and cloud up. When you cut the unit open, smells of Linseed oil,
YEARS after it has been sealed, no matter how dry it was before sealing.

The formula I use, does work for what we use it for. Have done many, many
church windows, and houses with exposure to the windows, although
admittedly, many have some sort of polycarbonate as a storm/protector.
I go back, whenever I am in a neighborhood, and check on my work, the area
isn't that big that I don't get around, and have never had to do any sort of
touch up on a puttyed window.

i believe linseed oil is available through painting suppliers (as in oil
painting). Try Dick Blick .com, m

"Javahut" wrote in message
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"Vic" wrote in message
oups.com...
I don't know what the deal is. I've been told by retailers that
traditional materials like linseed oil, linseed oil putty,whiting are
not selling very well. So they stop carrying them, so there is little
need to manufacture them. Recently I had to go to 4 different store to
fine raw linseed oil. Whiting is a special order from Janovic (a large
NYC paint store).

Got any Grass Football fields near you for the local sports teams, High
school, whatever? That's what they put on the field for marker lines,
doesn't burn the grass or the kids eyes.... try a different line of
suppliers, the cut stone people usually have it also, for the local
teams...about $3.00 a bag

You need to be careful with linseed oil when it gets on cloth/paper as
its known to spontaneously combust. Many fires have been caused that way
due to careless disposal. One big fire caused this way was in a New York
skyscraper IIRC.

Moonraker wrote:

"Vic" wrote in message
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Don't be so testy. I just wanted to know what brand of linseed oil
putty you get at hardware stores. As I said many manufactures stopped
producing linseed oil putty. Even Dap.

"burn down the house"? Did I say that?



What's wrong with Linseed Oil as an ingredient? Why did they stop using it?

Last time I was in Home Depot looking for Turpentine, they didn't have any
at all. Wonder what owl-loving tree hugger screwed that up?

I started in the early 70's. Did small stuff, craft shows etc. In 1980
or so (don't remember) I managed Glassmasters Guild in NYC (taught
classes,commissions,repairs etc). In 1985 when to work for The
Greenland Studio (one of the best restoration studios in the USA). Was
the foreman for 4 years then opened my shop in 1991. I do mostly
restoration work, churches,museums,public buildings , residential.
Because of this background I am conservative as to my approach to
restoration. Less is more (sometimes). I am looking for long term
solutions (100 years or so).

An IG unit is air tight so the putty will never dry out. In this case
plaster or not, no big deal. There is not supposed to be many moisture
in the IG unit.

Church windows are another story. I have seen where mosture attacks
painted glass. In this case plaster is not a good idea.

Technique is all relitive to the project at hand. There are many ways
of doing the same thing, one needs to fully understand what the
materials will do in various cases. That is why a discussion is
important to the newbees reading this stuff. None of us should make
blanket statements, as it only confuses the questioner.

"Vic" wrote in message
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Don't be so testy. I just wanted to know what brand of linseed oil
putty you get at hardware stores. As I said many manufactures stopped
producing linseed oil putty. Even Dap.

"burn down the house"? Did I say that?



Not testy at all Vic..... in fact we work in the same area of the world,
and go back roughly the same amount of time. Bienenfeld, Bernie Portman,
Bill Wilet, Paul Solomon, Gene Sinrod, Michael Levine, Richie Solomon...
ring any bells? Did you have a shop/apt around the corner from GM when they
moved? I remember buying some weird handtools from a guy many years ago.

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories