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Ethical question about quilt shows
There seems to be some confusion here (at least for me)
Sunny wrote that the quilt in question won VIEWERS CHOICE. So, why all the discussion about categories, and judges and such? It was the quilt the people attending the quilt show liked the best. If the show allows kit quilts to be hung then of course it would be hung and eligible for the attendees to choose it as their favorite. marcella In article , Pat in Virginia wrote: Boy, my sentence after "(BTDT!)" is really confusing ... even I cannot understand it! I THINK I meant to say something along the lines of "If the committee elects or is required to accept kit quilts, perhaps that should be a separate category." Clear as mud? PAT in VA/USA Pat in Virginia wrote: What I think: the rules of each show will vary, so some may permit kit quilts, others not. If you prefer another set of rules, volunteer for the next show committee. Of course the rest of the committee may out vote your suggestions, but at least you would have tried. (BTDT!!) If a committee is required to hang those quilts, perhaps that should be a separate committee. You are not rude, nor snitty ... unless you've blabbed it all over the show and guild, which of course I doubt. I'd have your reaction too!! PAT in VA/USA Sunny wrote: I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any, it was a kit. OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical. The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make those fabric choices. What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH suggests? Sunny |
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Ethical question about quilt shows
I'm with you Polly. I never buy kits---I'd much prefer to pick my own
colors, which usually aren't close to what's in the kit. Gen "Polly Esther" wrote in message ... While Sunny is being snitty, I'll just be uppity. (Ha. My mind zigzags off here to the How the Fight Started and 'which one are you then?'). I simply can not imagine making a quilt where someone else chose the fabric prints and colors and orchestrated the blending thereof. I can't even take a cheater panel for a crib quilt and leave it alone; I always have to make it mine. Even out here in the Swamp where all they sell is barbed wire and hawg feed, it would be impossible for me to accept what someone else put together. So. I reject the notion that a kit would be an unfair advantage. We 'uppity' quilters would think of it as a handicap. Which one are you then? Polly "Pat in Virginia" wrote in message ... What I think: the rules of each show will vary, so some may permit kit quilts, others not. If you prefer another set of rules, volunteer for the next show committee. Of course the rest of the committee may out vote your suggestions, but at least you would have tried. (BTDT!!) If a committee is required to hang those quilts, perhaps that should be a separate committee. You are not rude, nor snitty ... unless you've blabbed it all over the show and guild, which of course I doubt. I'd have your reaction too!! PAT in VA/USA Sunny wrote: I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any, it was a kit. OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical. The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make those fabric choices. What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH suggests? Sunny |
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I would hope that the kit was mentioned in the description to the quilt
(in order to give credit to the designer) - other than that it would depend on the rules of the show. And if the voting was "viewer's choice" - well... inexperienced quilters would be looking at very different things than an experienced judge, who would be more likely to recognize a novel design. Personally I couldn't work from a kit and preselected fabrics. Heck, I have never even been able to follow a pattern in a book exactly. But I know some people who prefer to work that way. As long as everyone gets a quilt that they are happy with remember that "there are no quilt police"! Allison in Montreal Sunny wrote: I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any, it was a kit. OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical. The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make those fabric choices. What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH suggests? Sunny |
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Ethical question about quilt shows
Wow, imagine my surprise to open the NG today and see all this
discussion about my question! I like all the answers. They make me think about this in a new way. I'll take back my snitty remarks (made only to my husband) and remember that worksmanship is what it is. I believe, deeply, that along with acknowledging the quilter of a piece, the piecer should acknowledge the kit, pattern, etc. Sunny |
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Ethical question about quilt shows
In article .com,
Sunny wrote: I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any, it was a kit. OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical. The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make those fabric choices. What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH suggests? Sunny Sunny, while our show does allow kit quilts to be entered for competition, we must enter them into the category specifically for kit quilts. I see no problem with doing that, since we all need to give credit where credit is due, whether it's for fabric and/or pattern selection or for the person who did our quilting for us. -- Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas sw.foster1 (at) gmail (dot) com (remove/change the obvious) http://www.sandymike.net |
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Marcella Peek wrote: There seems to be some confusion here (at least for me) Sunny wrote that the quilt in question won VIEWERS CHOICE. So, why all the discussion about categories, and judges and such? It was the quilt the people attending the quilt show liked the best. If the show allows kit quilts to be hung then of course it would be hung and eligible for the attendees to choose it as their favorite. marcella Good point, Marcella. In article , Pat in Virginia wrote: Boy, my sentence after "(BTDT!)" is really confusing ... even I cannot understand it! I THINK I meant to say something along the lines of "If the committee elects or is required to accept kit quilts, perhaps that should be a separate category." Clear as mud? PAT in VA/USA Pat in Virginia wrote: What I think: the rules of each show will vary, so some may permit kit quilts, others not. If you prefer another set of rules, volunteer for the next show committee. Of course the rest of the committee may out vote your suggestions, but at least you would have tried. (BTDT!!) If a committee is required to hang those quilts, perhaps that should be a separate committee. You are not rude, nor snitty ... unless you've blabbed it all over the show and guild, which of course I doubt. I'd have your reaction too!! PAT in VA/USA Sunny wrote: I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any, it was a kit. OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical. The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make those fabric choices. What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH suggests? Sunny -- Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas sw.foster1 (at) gmail (dot) com (remove/change the obvious) http://www.sandymike.net |
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I buy some kits when I'm particularly attracted to all its
features...pattern, fabric selection etc. Then I work it up when I'm in the mood to sew "mindlessly". Sometimes I don't really want the challenge of picking out my fabrics. The actual sewing can be relaxing. I'd never enter them in a quilt show without carefully recognizing the fact it was a kit, where it came from, etc. But I DO like to have some kits on hand. -- Kathyl (KJ) remove "nospam" before mchsi http://community.webshots.com/user/kathylquiltz "Gen" wrote in message ... I'm with you Polly. I never buy kits---I'd much prefer to pick my own colors, which usually aren't close to what's in the kit. Gen "Polly Esther" wrote in message ... While Sunny is being snitty, I'll just be uppity. (Ha. My mind zigzags off here to the How the Fight Started and 'which one are you then?'). I simply can not imagine making a quilt where someone else chose the fabric prints and colors and orchestrated the blending thereof. I can't even take a cheater panel for a crib quilt and leave it alone; I always have to make it mine. Even out here in the Swamp where all they sell is barbed wire and hawg feed, it would be impossible for me to accept what someone else put together. So. I reject the notion that a kit would be an unfair advantage. We 'uppity' quilters would think of it as a handicap. Which one are you then? Polly "Pat in Virginia" wrote in message ... What I think: the rules of each show will vary, so some may permit kit quilts, others not. If you prefer another set of rules, volunteer for the next show committee. Of course the rest of the committee may out vote your suggestions, but at least you would have tried. (BTDT!!) If a committee is required to hang those quilts, perhaps that should be a separate committee. You are not rude, nor snitty ... unless you've blabbed it all over the show and guild, which of course I doubt. I'd have your reaction too!! PAT in VA/USA Sunny wrote: I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any, it was a kit. OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical. The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make those fabric choices. What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH suggests? Sunny |
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Ethical question about quilt shows
I've seen it happen in shows. sigh. I think it was just after that when
the local guild show quite accepting kit quilts for judging. Almost as bad is when there are several quilts all from the same class entered. It can be nice, but I would like to see those all grouped together and labeled as from the same class. It can be interesting to compare the different ways people interpret the same thing. G Pati, in Phx. http://community.webshots.com/user/PatiCooks Sally Swindells wrote: What if two people entered identical quilts! Sally at the Seaside~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~uk http://community.webshots.com/user/sallyswin MB wrote: Did the judges know that it came from a kit? I once saw a quilt made from a kit in a show and people were raving about it too. Scads of fabrics and it was lovely. It did win a prize but I didn't see anything on it that said it was from a kit---and I knew that it was because I had bought the same kit then returned it when I knew I just couldn't do that much hand applique !! Mary/VT snipped: "Sunny" I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any, it was a kit. |
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Polly Esther wrote:
While Sunny is being snitty, I'll just be uppity. (Ha. My mind zigzags off here to the How the Fight Started and 'which one are you then?'). I simply can not imagine making a quilt where someone else chose the fabric prints and colors and orchestrated the blending thereof. I can't even take a cheater panel for a crib quilt and leave it alone; I always have to make it mine. Even out here in the Swamp where all they sell is barbed wire and hawg feed, it would be impossible for me to accept what someone else put together. So. I reject the notion that a kit would be an unfair advantage. We 'uppity' quilters would think of it as a handicap. Which one are you then? Polly I've noticed that there are different ways of thinking, I think quilters like you are rarer than you might think. Almost all the quilters at my group follow patterns exactly, though a lot do choose there own fabrics, though quite often from a particular range, or closely following the colour scheme of the pattern. Recently we collected money for quilt kits for a church staff member that was retiring, the lady that organised it said something like "if you are a quilter you'll know how valued a gift like this is" and I remember thinking why on earth would anyone want that, but I'm realising now that some people like quilting for the process and the satisfaction of the finished object, I just fell out of a different mould, I'm a designer at heart, I love quilting because I've found a medium where I can exercise that coupled with a process that I enjoy and a social atmosphere that I can be part of. Cheers Anne |
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Polly, I can't imagine doing a kit either. G In fact even when I have
done something like the Thimbleberries club where certain fabrics are suggested for different parts and so on, I do my own thing. Even change the way I make some of the blocks. And let's not talk layout...change that around too. BG I look at patterns as suggestions for creating something of my own. One class I took was making a quilt which was based on a vintage quilt in 2 fabrics. I not only switched the positions of the light and dark fabric, I added some random bits of a third fabric as surprise accents. That third fabric is planned to be the back... when I manage to get it quilted. G Totally changed the look and "feel" of the quilt. Pati, in Phx http://community.webshots.com/user/PatiCooks Polly Esther wrote: While Sunny is being snitty, I'll just be uppity. (Ha. My mind zigzags off here to the How the Fight Started and 'which one are you then?'). I simply can not imagine making a quilt where someone else chose the fabric prints and colors and orchestrated the blending thereof. I can't even take a cheater panel for a crib quilt and leave it alone; I always have to make it mine. Even out here in the Swamp where all they sell is barbed wire and hawg feed, it would be impossible for me to accept what someone else put together. So. I reject the notion that a kit would be an unfair advantage. We 'uppity' quilters would think of it as a handicap. Which one are you then? Polly "Pat in Virginia" wrote in message ... What I think: the rules of each show will vary, so some may permit kit quilts, others not. If you prefer another set of rules, volunteer for the next show committee. Of course the rest of the committee may out vote your suggestions, but at least you would have tried. (BTDT!!) If a committee is required to hang those quilts, perhaps that should be a separate committee. You are not rude, nor snitty ... unless you've blabbed it all over the show and guild, which of course I doubt. I'd have your reaction too!! PAT in VA/USA Sunny wrote: I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any, it was a kit. OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical. The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make those fabric choices. What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH suggests? Sunny |
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