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OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman" rather than a "girl"?
Well, I concur with some of the other suggestions. If you live in an area
that has department stores, just make a phone call & ask if you can get a complimentary make up consultation with one of their consultants. Sometimes a particular make-up company will have a special, but most often, even if there isn't a special going on, one of the consultants will happily do it for you. And there shouldn't be any charge for it. They are hopeful that you'll spend some money, so it's in their best interests. Most of the make up consultants in department stores are employed by the manufacturer, not the department store. And don't feel you have to buy everything or anything from them. I always tell them I need to wear it for the rest of the day to see if my skin reacts to anything - which is true. If the new product "wears" well, then I go back & buy it. I don't wear a lot of make up - mostly the basics, unless I'm really dressing up. Every few years, if I feel my look is getting a little stale, I do go to get a make-over at the make-up counters in the store. It always gives me a little lift & makes me try new techniques or colors. Whatever you do, don't let them over do you - you won't feel natural. Years ago, I had a makeover & left the store & drove straight home to wash it all off. I looked like a stage actor!! Regarding hair - not my strength either - but I try to stay with a fairly "simple" hairstyle, while still looking stylish. I've always threatened to move my current hairstylist into my house with me, so they can fix my hair in the morning. Do as others have suggested - if you see a hairstyle you like, ask someone where they get their hair done. Take into consideration if you have fine hair, curly hair, coarse hair, etc. because someone that has a different texture of hair from yours will end up with a different look than you. You can also "interview" potential hairstylists to see if you think you will work well together. See what they suggest & explain how it's a weak area for you, so it needs to be doable for YOU. Sometimes it takes a few visits for your hairstylist & you to get to a good spot. I also recommend seeing a dermatologist if your skin is breaking out. Don't try to "fix" it yourself. You need to see a professional. If you're worried about your weight - try to dress in a way that helps to camoflage the areas you're most concerned about. This is another area where a good sales person can help you. And remember - you can always return anything you buy that you have buyers remorse after you get home & try it on again. You can also return make-up - even to drug stores. (It looked different when I got it home - it made me break out - it creased in my eyelids, etc.) Good luck - you sound like you need a lift & taking it one step at a time will really help you to feel better about your appearance. Keep us posted! Pauline "Tricia" wrote in message ups.com... No offense to our male readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia |
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OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman" rather than a "girl"?
During my teen years I had other things on my mind, so I did not delve
into makeup and fancy hairdos. Later I did so and after trying a number of things found that makeup did not work on me at all due to a skin condition. My extremely fine hair is impossible for even beauticians to handle, so I have a simple hair style. I do keep myself presentable in every other way and I think that lack of makeup and fancy hair styles have NOT stopped me from getting any jobs. If you look at many women who accomplished much, you will often find that they have simple hair styles that require minimal care. They are busy with greater issues. Bev in TX Tricia wrote: .... portions snipped I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Pondering, Tricia |
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Tricia:
Interesting topic! I like how helpful and kind everyone has been with this. As Polly said, first impressions are important. I see so many people with 'who cares' hair! If your pony tail is too fly-away, maybe you need a nice bob. That is generally a neat and professional look. Pony tails and head bands will not impress the interviewers. My hair is straight and not very heavy. It has nice sheen though. For me, the best look is either a bob or a very short cut, both low maintenance styles. This means my hair is neat, and shows the sheen to nice advantage. (AND, I save time for quilting!!) For now, do not worry about the make up and cosmetics. You need to learn good SKIN CARE! The Mary Kay consultants do this quite well; experienced ones do it best, of course. Go on line and look for a "Director" who will have that experience. (I DID sell MK at one time, but NOT now, so NAYY, I just like the MK Skin Care.) Once you get a handle on Skin Care, you can look into a light foundation, a dash of lipstick soft blush, and some mascara. Go for a polished and natural look. Garments affect your look, regardless of weight or body type. Get to know a sharp sales person in a store such as Dress Barn, Macy's, etc. NAYY! Find one who has build similar to you and who looks sharp. Ask her to help you put together one interview ensemble. HTH. Be sure to take some Before and After photos. PAT |
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On 28 Aug 2006 08:12:24 -0700, "Tricia"
wrote: ...I know there is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. The first time I paid much attention to things like hair and makeup was after the birth of my younger daughter. Feeling fat, frumpy and long overdue for a change of hairstyle, I made an appt at a hair salon that I had never used before, sat in the chair, and said, "Make me beautiful." No kidding! That elicited a few laughs, but when they knew I was truly seeking some guidance, the stylist seemed to know exactly what to do. She consulted with a couple of the other stylists and we ended up getting rid about 8" of hair and giving me a short, layered style that not only took *years* off the way I looked AND felt, but was so easy to look after with a new baby. While I was there, I had eyebrows waxed for the first time, someone showed me how to apply natural-looking makeup, and I had a manicure -- something I'd never splurged on before. The total tally for the excursion was close to $100, but I walked out of there feeling like a million bucks. :-) Nancy in NS http://community.webshots.com/user/loves2quilt |
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I agree with Polly. An employer is not going to hire someone who gives the
appearance they don't care about the way they look. You can go to the cosmetic counter at any department store, and they will be happy to help you. They will show you how to apply the makeup. I use Clinique, and I get a free face makeup several times a year. Ask someone to give you the name of their hair stylist. Also, go to a gym, YWCA, or local recreation group and see if there are some exercise classes you can take. You can also change the way you eat. Cut your portions down, don't eat between meals. If you need a snack, eat a small apple or something like that. First impressions are everything. You have to give the impression that you care about your appearance. Sherry Starr "Tricia" wrote in message ups.com... No offense to our male readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia |
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Can't wear make-up, can't do 'beauty shops', and my hair is just as straight
as it can be. Can 'do' short hair and when my hands can hold it up I will blow dry 'height' into it. Keeping this in mind I took a class on 'finding a new job at your age for both sexes. There were 5 guys and 3 gals. The last day of class each of us had to write ONE sentence about everyone in the class. My 'comments' ran the gamut of: From the guys "I couldn't wait to "see" what you were going to wear You have the 'nicest wardrobe' I have ever seen Do you go to Denver to do your clothes shopping?"(lived on the Western Slope of CO at the time) . Gals were mostly: You seem to be very artistic--- type of comments. I made my clothes and they fit...didn't wear makeup and my hair was always clean and naturally 'shiny'. In other words you never know what others 'see' when you walk into the room I can't give other advice but hope this helps somewhat. Good luck in your job hunt. Let us know what you find. Butterfly (no, I was NOT allowed to wear makeup in HS so I learned in college) "Tricia" wrote in message ups.com... No offense to our male readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia |
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OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to LOOK LIKE a"woman" rather than a "girl"?
Howdy!
[[[[[Tricia]]]]] My mom thinks "make-up" is her lipstick and maybe a stroke of that turquoise eyeshadow that was so popular in the early 1970s. When she sees me w/ a blend of eyeshadow and/or a touch --just a touch-- of blusher on my face-- she calls me an ugly name. I got over that years ago; no need to carry her baggage w/ me, right? So I didn't grow up doing the girly-girly toilette routine, either. Lucky for me, long, straight, shiny hair was THE trend in my teens. However, in my mid-twenties it was way past time to ditch the ponytails and do something about my "complexion." Went to a local lady's wear shop, asked about "nice clothes", got fitted for the "correct support garments" g, and then swallowed my embarrassment and said, "Any advice on make-up?" Since then I've worn an oil-free base foundation, light dusting of loose powder, and a bit of color on my eyes, and try to keep some lip color to stay on. G The light layer of foundation and powder really helps keep the oil under control, cuts down on the zits, and makes me look like I at least tried to fit into the "normal" for grown-up American women. g Tricia, STOP getting your hair permed. Very few women look good w/ permed hair; so many just go w/ that crinkly look, not styling that perm, and that looks worse than flat, straight hair. A nice layered cut puts some bounce in your hair, and in your step: when you like your hair you feel better. Color it any way you please; changing hair color is easy, fun, and much healthier than those damned perms! Got a shopping mall near you? The gals (mostly women) at the make-up counters enjoy giving lessons in how to best use their products, for YOUR skin, how to make you look good. One of my best friends works for Dior at a local Dillard's Dept. store. She's gorgeous at age 55, loves make-up (always has) and got the job when she got divorced 8 yrs. ago; she's quite a success. Part of her success in selling her products is that she knows How To: how to go w/ a light, day look, how to go w/ more color or deeper shades for glamour, how to play up eyes, make a fuller mouth, how to choose the right color of foundation. That's what the make-up sellers are trained to do. I've gone to her special make-up sales and had a complete "do" to increase her sales numbers, tho' I seldom buy anything. I'm just not spending that much money on make-up. Walgreens, CVS, grocery stores supply most of what I prefer, oil-free, light-weight, throw=out-the-leftovers make-up. Mary Kay: can't wear the stuff, myself; haven't agreed w/ the 3 salesladies at the "parties" I attended: I refuse to wear pink make-up. I attend these parties for good friends; "This is a party? You better have good refreshments!" g My Avon lady keeps me supplied w/ good moisturizers and other products that keep my complexion clear(er). Go to an "Expert" and find the right products for yourself, then go to a shop that sells something similar for a more reasonable price that fits your budget. IF your complexion is driving you crazy, see your doctor. You can get a prescription that helps your skin from the inside out. My skin has been noticeably clearer since I gave up drinking soda pop in March. You need to feel better about the way you look. This is a place to start. And to feel better about yourself: give up the old crap from the way you were raised. You don't live w/ those people any more; move on! Being overweight: my mom never passes up a chance to mention it. She's not, never has been; I take after my dad's side of the family, tall & "BIG", or short & round. No one force feeds me. I've proved to myself I can lose weight. Most people can. It's the obsessing about it that makes me sick. (Can't watch Oprah anymore, she's all about her body image! Get the fu## over it!) My tall, slender older brother said to me a few years ago, "Mom always makes smartass cracks about your weight; how can you stand it?" I said, "Dave, so I'm fat and she's a bitch. The thing is, I can lose weight." VBG Being overweight shouldn't hold you back. One of the oddest jobs I ever had was working at a "temp agency", interviewing prospective employees and sending them on job interviews. **Meaning NO offense** : I learned that women here in/from Texas take more care for how they look in public, than do women "up north" like my hometown in n.Illinois. The hardest part of the job was getting the "transports" (women who moved to Texas from the central northern part of the U.S.) to "Fix yourself up!" before going on an interview. "Want a professional job? Look professional." If this is really what's bugging you, it's easy to "fix" right now. To bring this On Topic (Quilting): I knew that my grands and great-grands, aunts and mothers, all quilted. But I didn't see them quilt. I saw my mom do embroidery, quilt top piecing, all kinds of handcrafts, but I didn't grow up w/ anyone showing me How To Quilt. I learned because I wanted to quilt. And now I'm pretty good at it. And I look presentable at the Big Functions we must attend in Dallas or Ft.Worth, and my husband's boss never hesitates to give me The Billionaire Kiss at the annual Christmas party. VBG I must be doing something right w/ clothes and make-up. ;-D Good luck, Sweetie! Ragmop/Sandy--who still doesn't "get" that eyelash curling thing, but I no longer care... g On 8/28/06 10:12 AM, in article , "Tricia" wrote: No offense to our male readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? 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Tricia-
The other replies here have many really good suggestions, so I won't duplicate those. I work Saturdays at the front desk for a real estate office. The owner is a friend who has handled many real estate transactions for me over the past 18 years. She and I have discussed and agree- the most important duty is that I smile. A smile in my voice on the telephone and a smile to greet everyone who comes thru the door. Start with your smile and a well modulated voice and an open, pleasant, friendly, polite, calm attitude. Be sure your vocabulary includes many "good mornings", "pleases', and "thank yous" and make a big effort to use people's names- and try to remember their names. I use first names with people who seem open and friendly and Mr. or Mrs./Ms. with everyone else. If in doubt, err in the more formal address. Being prepared, dependable, clean, neat and appropriately dressed is very important- more so than make-up and a hairstyle. Best of luck. Leslie- with over thirty years experience working with the public and have been hired for every job I ever applied for- except one..... PS: Do yopu have a friend with make-up and hairstyling skills you admire? It might be less expensive and intimidating to ask for her help in showing you the how-tos. Tricia wrote: No offense to our male readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us would probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a "girl". During my teen years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more like getting me to do anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin' suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact that I don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia |
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OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woman" rather than a "girl"?
IMS wrote: I'm curious as to _why_ you think the topic needs discussing _here_. -Irene Because I'm somewhere where I have no gal friends in real life to hang around and ask and most of my friends back home are in one of two camps about things: either don't know/don't do either OR look like perfectly done porceline dolls so I came to where I had a group of ladies I could ask. I know it's not on topic and I am sorry. I'm absorbing and reading the other at the moment but felt this one could easily be answered quickly. Still reading and processing, Tricia |
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OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to LOOK LIKE a "woman" rather than a "girl"?
Ragmop/Sandy--who still doesn't "get" that eyelash curling thing, but I no longer care... g IF I wear mascara (which is rare) I need the curling things--my eyelashes are long and my glasses tend to get all messy from the mascara, plus it's darn irritating having them rubbing on the lenses, Gen |
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