LQS Complaints--Other shoe; same foot.

I so agree with that Butterfly.
I always tell the family, if it is warranted.
One day, I told a young mother and her two little children (perhaps 5
and 3?) how beautifully behaved they had been, including when she had to
go and get more tissues/milk or something.
She almost cried, and told me her husband had recently left her; she was
over a hundred miles from her family home; and she was trying to bring
them up well on her own. I was so *very* pleased I had been at the
table next to hers.
..
In message , Butterflywings
writes
snipped
Butterfly (who is NOT afraid to tell the parents that their child(ren) are
well mannered in front of that child(ren)
--
Best Regards
pat on the hill

Irrational Number wrote:
joan8904 in Bellevue Nebraska wrote:

*Bringing unruly children into the store and letting them roam, crawl,
yell, etc.

If I may interject... is it so bad to bring
unruly children into a store? I mean, does
the fact that children roam, crawl, and yell
make them unruly? I do not mean to be
facetious (or maybe I am just being defensive),
but we often go to our LQS as a whole family.
DH sits on the floor and tries to keep the two
kids under control. But, kids crawl and roam.
Sometimes they yell. We do not permit them to
touch the fabric, walls, displays, anything.

You bring your DH to watch the kids while you are shopping. I think
that's wonderful.

What bothers me is the mom who brings the kids in, makes no attempt to
restrain or correct the children, and she continues to shop and pays
them no attention. Meanwhile, they are roaming, touching, yelling,
running, and pestering everyone else in the store. Inevitably, they
start in on the "MOMMY!MOMMY!MOMMY!MOMMY!" which gets louder and louder,
until she gives an exasperated "What?"

I have watched a kid remove the bells from the front door and run all
over the store with them, knock over a couple of displays, and rearrange
the thread case, while mom obliviously shopped.

-georg

oh yes! I hate that too - I complain about "noisy" computers and people just
look at me as if I'm insane

sadly a TV doesn't come with a degauss button like computers do

--
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I'm 49 and I've always heard that... And the buzz behind the noise on a
TV and many other electrical appliances. I am also very sensitive to
flicker on TY screens and monitors.

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But what was the repercussions if you DID misbehave? Little ones that
are too small to be left in the car but are misbehaving and crying and
annoying everyone...what did your parents do with that child?

I always hear the stories of "Oh, we didn't dare!" but I never hear of
what the parents would do for punishment. My DD is 2, and although
most of the time she behaves fairly well, there are times where I just
want to shove a sock in her mouth! I do remove her from the store so
as not to annoy other shoppers, and I do try everything I can order to
assure a nice quiet shopping trip. When I go to the smaller LQS's, I
try to bring DH or go while DD is home with DH. I have had to take
her, and trust me, even though my stroller is one of those major huge
ones, I try to go when I know it is not going to be busy, and anyone
that gets near me I automatically tell them to just let me know if I am
in their way and I will move. Without the stroller, however, I am
afraid that DD would get frustrated and start wandering and causing
issues.

Dannielle


Butterflywings wrote:
My Mother would take ALL 8 of us shopping with her...our hands were IN OUR
POCKETS or we sat in the car if we didn't(sometimes dad was there waiting
with us, sometimes we were on our own) until she was done. Period....end of
discussion.

We learned at an EARLY AGE that yelling, running, touching was NOT ALLOWED.
No way No how or we stayed home the next time and the ONLY THING we got was
to partake in the groceries. How mom remembered which one(s) of us stayed
home was beyond me as she went shopping every other weekend. Children were
SEEN and NOT heard. ONE look from Mom or Dad was enuf to stop us right then
and there. Greatest compliment we received was from shopkeepers/clerks that
asked to wait on us---even called one fella, Uncle Milt--(shoe salesman) Had
one store where the owner would give EACH of us a candy bar just before we
left---you better believe we were beyond angels in his store and he sold
everything from tractors to groceries.

When we got older, we stayed home to do 'chores' (usually staying with the
baby, too) and dad worked in the fields and would come in at lunchtime and
'help' us make lunch--we did it--he made sure we didn't get hurt. (He taught
me how to peel potatoes with a paring knife and to this day I can't use a
peeler on them : )

Children WILL learn if they are taught proper manners starting at an early
age.

Butterfly (who is NOT afraid to tell the parents that their child(ren) are
well mannered in front of that child(ren)

"Cats" wrote in message
...
My mother was not a quilter, but was a sewer. I can
remember being taken into innumerable fabric stores, and
knowing from a very early age that I was to wait quietly for
my mother to complete her shopping - no touching, no
running, no yelling. My younger sister and I always
accompanied her when she shopped. I don't think it hurt
either of us to learn the appropriate standard of behaviour
for public places at a very early age. And the shop keepers
were NEVER expected to provide entertainment or supervision
for us.

We loved going around with her, and while good behaviour was
expected we usually got an icecream or similar for being
good.

I sometimes have sewers come here with grandchildren in tow.
Once in a while this is unavoidable (family drama, etc) but
I politely discourage this as a regular thing because this
is not an area set up for children and I cannot be
responsible for their safety around sharp and pointy things.
The OH&S/liability issues for adults are bad enough.
Everything in life should not be geared around the possible
effects of an uncontrolled toddler/child.

Sorry if this makes me a grouch but I don't feel that shops
should have to provide a child entertainment area in order
to stay in business, and I don't enjoy having to fight the
HUGE strollers in use today in narrow aisles when I am
shopping. I have enough mobility issues of my own.

Off my soap box and off to have a morning cuppa with Oscar
the Grouch LOL

--

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"Irrational Number" wrote in message
nk.net...
: joan8904 in Bellevue Nebraska wrote:
:
: *Bringing unruly children into the store and letting
them roam, crawl,
: yell, etc.
:
: If I may interject... is it so bad to bring
: unruly children into a store? I mean, does
: the fact that children roam, crawl, and yell
: make them unruly? I do not mean to be
: facetious (or maybe I am just being defensive),
: but we often go to our LQS as a whole family.
: DH sits on the floor and tries to keep the two
: kids under control. But, kids crawl and roam.
: Sometimes they yell. We do not permit them to
: touch the fabric, walls, displays, anything.
:
: If we could not bring children in, then I'm
: relegated to only ordering fabric online. Or
: DH has to stay outside with the kids, and that's
: not always the best place to be.
:
: Obviously, there ought to be some standard for
: basic politeness, such as regarding cell phones,
: making outrageous return demands, etc. However,
: isn't there any room so that children, while
: being children, would still be allowed to go
: into a little store without raising eyebrows?
:
: -- Anita --

Children who roam, crawl and yell *are* unruly. It's not unreasonable to
expect children to be taught consideration for others at an early age, and
that includes understanding where that sort of behavior is and is not
acceptable.

I know I had it easier as a parent by having just one child, but even so, I
had been known for taking a cart with several items in it to a clerk and
telling her I'm sorry, but I have to go, and dragging my 'unruly' 2-year-old
child out of there. She soon learned how to behave, because she loved to go
shopping with me, and hated it when I cut the trip short because she didn't
behave. I only had to do it twice. She is now 25 and extremely polite and
well-mannered, and complains about other people's unruly children. Just like
her mom.

If one wants to let 'children be children', one should do it in their own
house, or backyard, or a playground, where that sort of behavior is
acceptable. If you haven't bothered to teach your children how to behave in
restaurants and stores, then don't take them until you have.

I got bonked on the head with a spoon wielded by a 3-year-old in a
restaurant last week. I didn't even get an apology from her parents, so this
is absolutely a sore subject with me.

--
Valerie in FL
My quilts: http://community.webshots.com/user/vjkahler



"Irrational Number" wrote in message
nk.net...
joan8904 in Bellevue Nebraska wrote:

*Bringing unruly children into the store and letting them roam, crawl,
yell, etc.

If I may interject... is it so bad to bring
unruly children into a store? I mean, does
the fact that children roam, crawl, and yell
make them unruly? I do not mean to be
facetious (or maybe I am just being defensive),
but we often go to our LQS as a whole family.
DH sits on the floor and tries to keep the two
kids under control. But, kids crawl and roam.
Sometimes they yell. We do not permit them to
touch the fabric, walls, displays, anything.

If we could not bring children in, then I'm
relegated to only ordering fabric online. Or
DH has to stay outside with the kids, and that's
not always the best place to be.

Obviously, there ought to be some standard for
basic politeness, such as regarding cell phones,
making outrageous return demands, etc. However,
isn't there any room so that children, while
being children, would still be allowed to go
into a little store without raising eyebrows?

-- Anita --

Dannielle wrote:
But what was the repercussions if you DID misbehave? Little ones that
are too small to be left in the car but are misbehaving and crying and
annoying everyone...what did your parents do with that child?

I got a thump on my butt right in front of everyone. How embarrassing-
which was worse than painful. The stern voice was usually enough to keep
me in line.

One time, when my niece was about 3, I caught her trying to steal a
candy from the store. She thought I and her nana weren't watching,
opened the jar, and stuck her hand in. I asked her if that was hers. She
just broke into to tears. We had a chat about how it wasn't hers, so she
wasn't allowed to touch without permission. This she was able to
understand. I also told her to ask me or nana (or other attending adult)
if she really wanted it, and maybe we might get one for her. Whereupon
she asked for it, and I got her one. Usually, she was very well behaved.

It's a matter of paying attention to the child enough to correct
inappropriate behavior instead of letting it continue, and acknowledging
that if the child is too tired, it's time to go home.

Insert caveat here about how I've only helped to raise a small child,
not actually raised small child myself.

-georg

Ok, here's what I did. My kids are well-behaved most times, but they are
kids.... I have a *voice* I use on them... if they get told not to do
something in that voice, they know that a punishment will follow at home -
usually no TV or staying in their room. If they really can't control
themselves, we go home. Yes, I've left lots of stores with errands undone
over the years.

Part of the trick of good behavior is timing. Make sure they aren't needing
a nap, or are too hungry. Errands were almost always preceded by a "car
snack" like a granola bar, or cereal in a bag, and a drink (usually water -
easiest to clean up!). Then, when we get there, a wipe-down with the wipes I
keep in the car before they go in the store. Nothing worries a shop keeper
more than seeing chocolate-covered ragamuffins come in!

When they are little, you just have to keep it quick, and not expect them to
be able to power shop. It's a pain, especially with more than one child.
When we are finished in the store, I make sure I tell them how pleased I was
that they behaved nicely. When they cooperate, it makes the errands go
faster, and I really appreciate that. I also try to do a "fun" errand after
a dull one. Fortunately, my kids all thought the LQS was a "fun" errand! But
sometimes it was just lunch out, and they got to pick where.

Just remember, any woman who gives you a dirty look when your kids act up
either didn't have any herself, or can't remember that kids have meltdowns.

--
Wendy
http://griffinsflight.com/Quilting/quilt1.htm
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"Dannielle" wrote in message
oups.com...
But what was the repercussions if you DID misbehave? Little ones that
are too small to be left in the car but are misbehaving and crying and
annoying everyone...what did your parents do with that child?

I always hear the stories of "Oh, we didn't dare!" but I never hear of
what the parents would do for punishment. My DD is 2, and although
most of the time she behaves fairly well, there are times where I just
want to shove a sock in her mouth! I do remove her from the store so
as not to annoy other shoppers, and I do try everything I can order to
assure a nice quiet shopping trip. When I go to the smaller LQS's, I
try to bring DH or go while DD is home with DH. I have had to take
her, and trust me, even though my stroller is one of those major huge
ones, I try to go when I know it is not going to be busy, and anyone
that gets near me I automatically tell them to just let me know if I am
in their way and I will move. Without the stroller, however, I am
afraid that DD would get frustrated and start wandering and causing
issues.

Dannielle

Clicked link, then clicked link to "hear it" ARGH!!!!!!!!!!! That's
actually in the range that can give me an instant headache....but, even
with the speakers turned up, neither child heard it...lol.

Oh well.....At least I know I'm not imagining things when I hear that noise!

Larisa
Sandy Ellison wrote:

Howdy!

My Avon lady (good friend) told me about this, Monday,
a ring tone that we "older" folks aren't supposed to be able to hear.
http://tinyurl.com/juf9l

I can hear it. Some dept. stores still have electronic equipment
running that I can hear buzzing/whining above my head. Ooooerrrrgh!

Meanwhile, I appreciate having my mobile phone available,
for *my* use. Not in a check-out line, not in a meeting, not at
the table in a restaurant, not while I'm driving.
I mean, if I drove and phoned, how could I, with a clear conscience,
yell at other drivers? : "Hang up and drive! It's an automobile,
not a phone booth on wheels!" G

It was a joy to have that phone with me in Paducah last year;
called dear husband back at work in Dallas, exclaiming over the
charm & beauty of that old downtown area. He shared my excitement
and looks forward to going to Paducah with me later this year.

Ragmop/Sandy --my Avon lady & I are thinking of inventing a "detector"
that will sniff out those whining cell phone tones g


On 6/14/06 2:22 PM, in article
.com, "desert quilter"
wrote:


Seems about half the complaints center around cell phones. And then
people wonder why various school districts have banned cell phones in
schools. Adults can't even control themselves with the pesky things.
How well do you think a teenager is going to do?

Michelle in NV

LOL - well the only knickers in my cupboard are mine.

But my spare room does have a couple of changes of clothes
for unexpected guests. Just track suits though. I think
it's my background in Logistics - we trained to anticipate
every need ROFL.

--

Cheryl & the Cats
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"Patti" wrote in message
...
: Cheryl, you're amazing!
: Like my friend who was a primary school teacher (reception
class) who
: had several spare pairs of knickers in her cupboard!)
: .
: In message , Cats

: writes
: snipped
:
: I now keep magnifying glasses in four strengths for those
: who forget their glasses, 'cos I am sick of watching the
: awful results when they persist and can't see properly.
:
:
: --
: Best Regards
: pat on the hill

I've got you beat Kate. I hear those too...and I'm almost 54. I also heard
the ring tone,but had to turn the speakers up a bit.
KJ

"Kate Dicey" wrote in message
...
Jessamy wrote:

I can hear that - but then I'm "only" 36 and can hear the buzzing sound
almost spent light bulbs give

I'm 49 and I've always heard that... And the buzz behind the noise on a
TV and many other electrical appliances. I am also very sensitive to
flicker on TY screens and monitors.

--
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Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
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