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Im so glad to hear your explanation. That makes it almost forgivable! lol
Diana -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "Shelly" glass angel at charter dot net wrote in message ... I tried that Diana! He refused to retract the original price that he'd quoted. I waited until I needed the money before I started the project. My daughter's birthday was coming up in a few days and I told her that if she'd help me quilt that quilt, I'd give her half the money for it. She quilted her butt off and so did I, we finished the quilt in 2 days time. I didn't tell her the whole truth about the amount of money she'd be getting. I gave her the whole amount, which was only $150, thanks to dh. I really hated to sell the quilt for that little bit of money. It's over and done with and my dd was only too happy to relieve me of her half of the money and mine also. lol If not for her, the man wouldn't have gotten the quilt. He'd ordered 2 after dh quoted the price to him. What he got was ONE and very lucky to have gotten it. I warned dh about quoting prices before he checked with me. I'm the one that has to make the quilts, although, dh does quilt also. He wouldn't have quilted the quilt for such a paltry sum, I grant you that. I was selling small quilts for $75/pc, (lap quilts). I sure couldn't see selling a full sized quilt for $150. Maybe for a few friends but certainly not for someone I don't know. Shelly "Diana Curtis" wrote in message ... Thats the point where your DH gets to go back to the person and admit red faced that dear Wife doesnt work that cheaply after all, that he misunderstood, and if they still want a quilt it will cost them XXX dollars. DH wouldnt make same mistake twice, LOL! Diana -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 "Shelly" glass angel at charter dot net wrote in message ... I've made quilts both ways and with and without love. Some have actually been pure HELL to finish just because I just plain didn't like the person and resented having to do the project. *All of these projects were the ones that dh volunteered my services for and quoted a very small fee that he'd overheard me give to a close friend.* I was NOT happy with him or the person receiving the quilt at all. lol Shelly "Donna in Idaho" wrote in message ... I've made lots of quilts for family, made by machine, all made with love. My hands don't allow me to do that much hand work. According to your criteria - since I made all my quilts by machine they didn't have any love in them. Not true!!!!!!!!!!! -- Donna in Idaho! Project Linus Boise/SW Idaho Coordinator Website: http://donnakwilts.tripod.com/ The ultimate inspiration is the deadline! "Lakaya M. Peeples" wrote in message ... depends...quilt in a day....machine. quilt for a lifetime....with meaning....hand. quilt in a hurry with that hand touch...machine piece--hand quilt. I have done all of these. mostly I like my hand stitching better...as it is better for me...its my 'de-stressor' and its small and portable until you do your completion. Current project must be done in a month from now....machine piecing..hand tying, and a minimal of quilting is the way I am going to go, cuz its my daughters 'college-going' gift....something to remind her that when college is done...home awaits. she is going to school 4 hours away....that's kinda my way of saying don't go a few states away, but if you do....remember the love this thing took to make. which is why at least some of it has to be done by hand. I also made her some hand knit socks in a pattern she didn't even know she was picking out for herself...she said 'ooooooooo who's lucky enough to get those?' I said 'what you kidding....I'm not making for you, it will take forever' (which it did....but that's part of the surprise) and 56 cents. (penny for her thoughts, quarters for a call, and all of her mommy's love) so it depends. if you are making it for love....hand it somewhere. for utilitarian purposes, ex: keeping very warm, cold winter, and low budget....machine the thing. peepla "sbeep" wrote in message om... I am a beginner in quilting and I haven't really got to far in making one, just have my blocks cut out. Before I start putting my blocks together which is better on making a quilt, hand sewn or a sewing machine? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 7/10/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 7/11/03 |
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taria wrote in message ...
I would think unless you walk or ride the wagon or horse into town to get supplies than its sort of machine work too? Those who think machine work is not acceptable are not familiar with fine machine work. I agree, but the fact of the matter is that only a minority of quilters ever do fine work of ANY kind. We're talking about everyday stuff here, not the cover of QNM. Everyday mediocre handquilting is more beautiful than everyday mediocre machine quilting. When people first started buying home sewing machines (they did without a lot to afford machines) they often put machine stitching where it could be seen because they were so proud of the sewing machine. They weren't proud of the way the stitches looked, as such. They were showing off the fact that they could afford the latest gadget. Much like the current machine quilting and embroidery craze. You can buy a Bernina or a Viking, but (Roxane and Thimblelady notwithstanding) you can't buy the ability to make really small hand stitches. That takes a very real and ongoing sacrifice of time, which is so much more precious than money. Unlike what another poster said, it's not time = money = love, but time I could have spent otherwise equals love. The people who receive our quilts understand that, which leads to the continued perception that there is more love, care, concern or what you will in handmade objects. There is more of your personality in the little irregularities of handwork. That doesn't mean that people who simply can't do handwork because of health or lifestyle don't love the people they sew quilts for. Each person is different and noone can measure the personal sacrifice in any given project. For me, sitting at the machine kills my back so if I machine piece to get it ready by so and so's birthday, that's more of a sacrifice. But for MOST healthy people the choice between handwork and machine work does TEND to reflect a difference in personal outlook. For example, handquilting a bedquilt for your spinster aunt in the same amount of time you could have churned out 14 wallhangings for all your coworkers babies. Strictly speaking there is the same amount of self-giving in those two choices, but deep down we all know the difference. I guess we are looking at the pendulum swing? Taria Kathy Applebaum wrote: Lakaya M. Peeples wrote: so it depends. if you are making it for love....hand it somewhere. for utilitarian purposes, ex: keeping very warm, cold winter, and low budget....machine the thing. Gosh, we aren't just a little prejudiced against machine work, are we? *grin* -- Kathy Applebaum (Woodland, CA) Longarm Machine Quilting, Queen of Fabric Tramps (remove the obvious to reply) |
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I would disagree that a sewing machine was the latest gadget. It
was something much bigger than you understand. It changed the way people lived. People often went without something to afford one. There are few people I know who quilt that I would insult with the comment that their work is mediocre, hand or machine work. Actually it is kind of insulting anyone's work unless it is in a judged show. I do all kinds of sewing and quilting. I enjoy it and none of it is ever a sacrifice. It is a joy, however it is done. Taria Tara wrote: taria wrote in message ... I would think unless you walk or ride the wagon or horse into town to get supplies than its sort of machine work too? Those who think machine work is not acceptable are not familiar with fine machine work. I agree, but the fact of the matter is that only a minority of quilters ever do fine work of ANY kind. We're talking about everyday stuff here, not the cover of QNM. Everyday mediocre handquilting is more beautiful than everyday mediocre machine quilting. When people first started buying home sewing machines (they did without a lot to afford machines) they often put machine stitching where it could be seen because they were so proud of the sewing machine. They weren't proud of the way the stitches looked, as such. They were showing off the fact that they could afford the latest gadget. Much like the current machine quilting and embroidery craze. You can buy a Bernina or a Viking, but (Roxane and Thimblelady notwithstanding) you can't buy the ability to make really small hand stitches. That takes a very real and ongoing sacrifice of time, which is so much more precious than money. Unlike what another poster said, it's not time = money = love, but time I could have spent otherwise equals love. The people who receive our quilts understand that, which leads to the continued perception that there is more love, care, concern or what you will in handmade objects. There is more of your personality in the little irregularities of handwork. That doesn't mean that people who simply can't do handwork because of health or lifestyle don't love the people they sew quilts for. Each person is different and noone can measure the personal sacrifice in any given project. For me, sitting at the machine kills my back so if I machine piece to get it ready by so and so's birthday, that's more of a sacrifice. But for MOST healthy people the choice between handwork and machine work does TEND to reflect a difference in personal outlook. For example, handquilting a bedquilt for your spinster aunt in the same amount of time you could have churned out 14 wallhangings for all your coworkers babies. Strictly speaking there is the same amount of self-giving in those two choices, but deep down we all know the difference. I guess we are looking at the pendulum swing? Taria Kathy Applebaum wrote: Lakaya M. Peeples wrote: so it depends. if you are making it for love....hand it somewhere. for utilitarian purposes, ex: keeping very warm, cold winter, and low budget....machine the thing. Gosh, we aren't just a little prejudiced against machine work, are we? *grin* -- Kathy Applebaum (Woodland, CA) Longarm Machine Quilting, Queen of Fabric Tramps (remove the obvious to reply) -- Please visit my web page at: http://home1.gte.net/res0yk6g/taria/index.htm See my Siberian Cat, Lilly, at: http://home1.gte.net/res0yk6g/lillypage/lillycat.htm |
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Tara, Sitting at the machine kills your back? Well, hand stitching kills
my hands. Does that mean that you do better work because you can hand quilt and I can't? Would you consider Caryl Bryer Fallert's or Harriet Hargraves' machine quilting inferior work? I've seen some absolutely beautiful machine quilting. I've seen some absolutely awful hand quilting. -- Donna in Idaho! Project Linus Boise/SW Idaho Coordinator Website: http://donnakwilts.tripod.com/ The ultimate inspiration is the deadline! "Tara Henderson" wrote in message om... taria wrote in message ... I would think unless you walk or ride the wagon or horse into town to get supplies than its sort of machine work too? Those who think machine work is not acceptable are not familiar with fine machine work. I agree, but the fact of the matter is that only a minority of quilters ever do fine work of ANY kind. We're talking about everyday stuff here, not the cover of QNM. Everyday mediocre handquilting is more beautiful than everyday mediocre machine quilting. When people first started buying home sewing machines (they did without a lot to afford machines) they often put machine stitching where it could be seen because they were so proud of the sewing machine. They weren't proud of the way the stitches looked, as such. They were showing off the fact that they could afford the latest gadget. Much like the current machine quilting and embroidery craze. You can buy a Bernina or a Viking, but (Roxane and Thimblelady notwithstanding) you can't buy the ability to make really small hand stitches. That takes a very real and ongoing sacrifice of time, which is so much more precious than money. Unlike what another poster said, it's not time = money = love, but time I could have spent otherwise equals love. The people who receive our quilts understand that, which leads to the continued perception that there is more love, care, concern or what you will in handmade objects. There is more of your personality in the little irregularities of handwork. That doesn't mean that people who simply can't do handwork because of health or lifestyle don't love the people they sew quilts for. Each person is different and noone can measure the personal sacrifice in any given project. For me, sitting at the machine kills my back so if I machine piece to get it ready by so and so's birthday, that's more of a sacrifice. But for MOST healthy people the choice between handwork and machine work does TEND to reflect a difference in personal outlook. For example, handquilting a bedquilt for your spinster aunt in the same amount of time you could have churned out 14 wallhangings for all your coworkers babies. Strictly speaking there is the same amount of self-giving in those two choices, but deep down we all know the difference. I guess we are looking at the pendulum swing? Taria Kathy Applebaum wrote: Lakaya M. Peeples wrote: so it depends. if you are making it for love....hand it somewhere. for utilitarian purposes, ex: keeping very warm, cold winter, and low budget....machine the thing. Gosh, we aren't just a little prejudiced against machine work, are we? *grin* -- Kathy Applebaum (Woodland, CA) Longarm Machine Quilting, Queen of Fabric Tramps (remove the obvious to reply) |
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But, but ...
There really is a different way of looking at this: I am proud of my machine work and not proud of any handwork I do (apart from sewing down bindings which I have got down to a fine art also). When I machine piece and quilt a piece of work, I am doing my best work. If I were to do something by hand, for some philosophical reason, I would not be giving my best work. I don't dislike handwork, and I am improving my hand appliqué. When that is good enough to make me proud, then I will be able to use that in quilts for others or shows. Doing 'my best' has for me become a measure of my regard for the recipient of any of my work. .. In article , Tara Henderson writes I agree, but the fact of the matter is that only a minority of quilters ever do fine work of ANY kind. We're talking about everyday stuff here, not the cover of QNM. Everyday mediocre handquilting is more beautiful than everyday mediocre machine quilting. They weren't proud of the way the stitches looked, as such. They were showing off the fact that they could afford the latest gadget. Much like the current machine quilting and embroidery craze. You can buy a Bernina or a Viking, but (Roxane and Thimblelady notwithstanding) you can't buy the ability to make really small hand stitches. That takes a very real and ongoing sacrifice of time, which is so much more precious than money. Unlike what another poster said, it's not time = money = love, but time I could have spent otherwise equals love. The people who receive our quilts understand that, which leads to the continued perception that there is more love, care, concern or what you will in handmade objects. There is more of your personality in the little irregularities of handwork. That doesn't mean that people who simply can't do handwork because of health or lifestyle don't love the people they sew quilts for. Each person is different and noone can measure the personal sacrifice in any given project. For me, sitting at the machine kills my back so if I machine piece to get it ready by so and so's birthday, that's more of a sacrifice. But for MOST healthy people the choice between handwork and machine work does TEND to reflect a difference in personal outlook. For example, handquilting a bedquilt for your spinster aunt in the same amount of time you could have churned out 14 wallhangings for all your coworkers babies. Strictly speaking there is the same amount of self-giving in those two choices, but deep down we all know the difference. I guess we are looking at the pendulum swing? -- Best Regards pat on the hill |
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A few oldies but goodies:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A rose by any other name smells as sweet. Don't rain on my parade. PAT in VA/USA reminding you all that it is 'more blessed to give than to receive,' so please give me some quilts Tara Henderson wrote: I agree, but the fact of the matter is that only a minority of quilters ever do fine work of ANY kind. We're talking about everyday stuff here, not the cover of QNM. Everyday mediocre handquilting is more beautiful than everyday mediocre machine quilting. They weren't proud of the way the stitches looked, as such. They were showing off the fact that they could afford the latest gadget. Much like the current machine quilting and embroidery craze. You can buy a Bernina or a Viking, but (Roxane and Thimblelady notwithstanding) you can't buy the ability to make really small hand stitches. That takes a very real and ongoing sacrifice of time, which is so much more precious than money. Unlike what another poster said, it's not time = money = love, but time I could have spent otherwise equals love. The people who receive our quilts understand that, which leads to the continued perception that there is more love, care, concern or what you will in handmade objects. There is more of your personality in the little irregularities of handwork. That doesn't mean that people who simply can't do handwork because of health or lifestyle don't love the people they sew quilts for. Each person is different and noone can measure the personal sacrifice in any given project. For me, sitting at the machine kills my back so if I machine piece to get it ready by so and so's birthday, that's more of a sacrifice. But for MOST healthy people the choice between handwork and machine work does TEND to reflect a difference in personal outlook. For example, handquilting a bedquilt for your spinster aunt in the same amount of time you could have churned out 14 wallhangings for all your coworkers babies. Strictly speaking there is the same amount of self-giving in those two choices, but deep down we all know the difference. |
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For your comment Pat I'd almost send ya a quilt ;0)
It is nice to know that there are people that are less judgmental out there. As an outsider to this group and a new quilter I have to say...I would never feel comfortable posting where I buy fabric, what kind of sewing machine I just bought or how I intend to quilt my projects. I do get a lot from reading suggestions and links to sales. I also love to look at all of the beautiful quilts and quilts in progress. Roberta In , Pat in Virginia typed: A few oldies but goodies: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A rose by any other name smells as sweet. Don't rain on my parade. PAT in VA/USA reminding you all that it is 'more blessed to give than to receive,' so please give me some quilts |
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DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT!!
Sorry for yelling (well, not really but anything to get your attention). Quilting began by women piecing together pieces of scrap fabrics, old clothing and sac cloths out of necessity. That is where the joy and beauty of quilting began. They'd be aghast at some of the snobbery that lives in the craft world these days. NEVER, EVER be ashamed of where you buy your fabric or how you put YOUR quilts together. There are NO quilt police. There are always judgemental people who will tell others that they aren't good enough parents (gasp, my kids drink cola), or your house isn't clean enough (you mean you DON'T clean your walls every week?) or your kids aren't doing well enough in school (what do you mean you don't force them to do math four hours a day??), or your car isn't new enough.......you get my drift. Just as there are people like that, there are those who sniff at anything less than what they would do. You know what to do about those people? IGNORE THEM. You sound like me. We quilt because we love it. It's soothing, it's relaxing (well, it's relaxing when it's going well and you're not pulling out your hair and chewing up your lips because a pattern isn't going well or the stupid post office lost a quilt....), we love the beauty and the work that goes into making such lovely products. I really wish you would share your finds, your methods and all stuff like that. Even us experienced quilters can learn from beginners and - we may even be reminded of what it was like when we first began. Did I get through to you? grin YOUR quilts, YOUR choices are just as good as anyone else's here. Off soapbox now before I fall off, Marijke "Roberta" wrote in message ... For your comment Pat I'd almost send ya a quilt ;0) It is nice to know that there are people that are less judgmental out there. As an outsider to this group and a new quilter I have to say...I would never feel comfortable posting where I buy fabric, what kind of sewing machine I just bought or how I intend to quilt my projects. I do get a lot from reading suggestions and links to sales. I also love to look at all of the beautiful quilts and quilts in progress. Roberta In , Pat in Virginia typed: A few oldies but goodies: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A rose by any other name smells as sweet. Don't rain on my parade. PAT in VA/USA reminding you all that it is 'more blessed to give than to receive,' so please give me some quilts |
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In article , Marijke
writes NEVER, EVER be ashamed of where you buy your fabric or how you put YOUR quilts together. snip Yay! Well said Marijke. Sure, handwork takes longer than machine work. It takes even longer to whittle a scale model of the Titanic out of a whole redwood tree using only your fingernails. Who cares? -- Mel Rimmer (who reckons Betsy Ross would have given her right arm for a Bernina) |
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Unfortunately, my neighbor girl is getting some of this prejudice ingrained
in her, too. Her grandmother is teaching her to quilt, and she only hand-pieces and hand-quilts. She does produce beautiful quilts, and the girl is eager to learn. But you should hear the way she says "my grandmother only does things by hand..."! (Like what? I use my feet??) I have taught 2 of my children (so far) how to hand-piece, just like I am teaching them to sew on buttons and do other sewing and mending. DS did machine quilting on his piece, and DD#1 sewed on buttons to "quilt" hers. DD#1 is going to machine piece her next quilt, and it will be machine quilted. She knows both methods, and chose the one she wanted to do. IMNHO, it is better for her to chose how she will do it so that it gets done, instead of adhering to some notion that it is "better" done by hand, and it ending up a UFO, and never quilting again! I know how to hand piece, and for some patterns, I can see the benefit do piecing that way. I prefer machine piecing. I know how to quilt both ways, and am a beginner both ways. If the project calls for HQ, that's what I do. I have won awards for my quilts at our State Fair, so even though my quilts are perhaps in the everyday mediocre category Tara suggests, they are still beautiful and worthy. -- Wendy http://griffinsflight.com/Quilting/quilt1.htm de-fang email address to reply wrote in message .net... said... snip I'm not a new quilter, or poster. If someone on the group has a problem with me buying Walmart fabric for my quilts they are more than welcome to buy me fabric from the LQS instead. If they dont like my machine choice they may send me a featherweight. Same goes for how I quilt it. There are people who think nothing but hand piecing and hand quilting counts as a real quilt. Then there are those of us, me included, that says it doesnt matter how it gets there, "finished is good". *quoted without permission* . :-) snip Diana Let me share a little story with all of you. I was at a party a few weeks ago. We were all discussing various hobbies and when my turn came I commented that I quilt. (Please keep in mind my friends are in the 25- 35 age range as you read this.) So one girl asked me if I hand pieced and hand quilted. I said no, I machine piece, and machine and hand quilt. She then says ",Well those aren't REAL quilts." "The Look" that I gave this girl was enough to shut her up for one second (only). I then asked her, sweet as pie, had she ever made a quilt. (of course a "no." Then of course the conversation turned to her grandmother who handworked everything. My host and good friend who is a knitter (Much Later) said that she expected me to fight with this person. My response to my friend was joking ",Why don't you raise, card, and spin all of your own yarn? Well you aren't a REAL knitter then!" We both laughed. And now I quote my DH. Early sewing was a necessity. If you were lucky enough to own a machine- it made sewing those necessities faster so that you could produce more of what your family needed. My take- we are all spoiled by all the machines in our life that give us more time to do the things we enjoy. We should enjoy our hobbies however we prefer to do them and not judge others on their methods. We should judge others on the joy they feel from the hobby and the joy they share with us and the recipients of their quilts. Julie Richmond, VA |
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