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Local quilt show: observations
Let me start off with a disclaimer. If any of you are offended by my
observations, then I am sorry. If you derive pleasure from the things I am commenting on, then go ahead and continue to enjoy them. My opinions are my own, and "might" coincide with others, or maybe not. That stated, herein follows a brief recounting of todays visit to the local yearly quilt show. Lois and I showed up at the local show and started viewing the offerings from large bed sized quilts to small wall hangings and items of apparel. The one thing that struck me, and Lois, was the fact that the degree of overall quilting by machine was of a singular nature. This observation applied to about 75% of the quilts. The other 25% were hand quilted, and this observation does not apply to them. They were very nicely done. As to the 75%; I have never seen as large a group of quilts, in my life, that were done in such a random manner that defied the sewn seams of the pattern, of the quilt. It is as if the person doing the quilting, and some of them were "professionally" machine quilted, and they used that word "professionally", loosely, in my opinion, was insensitive to the fact that they were crossing over the seams of the pattern of the quilt on autopilot in an effort to confuse attempted artistic random loops and squiggles, in the guise of art, and not respecting the pattern seams as defining elements of the quilt. Now if this is the new norm and I am completely out of step with State of the Art Free motion quilting, then so be it, I am out of step. If you look at the other 25% of the quilts that were hand stitched. they used overall quilting in the appropriate seam bordered elements of the pattern and stayed within the confines of the seams and produced a quilt that respected the pattern design and complimented that with area quilting which enhanced the overall appearance. Out of probably 35 Machine quilts, I think there were probably 2 or 3 that met the the above criteria of respecting the seams, and not going over them randomey, in an attempt to achieve, I don't know what. It is almost as if people take a class on free motion quilting and then throw away all the time honored traditions of using quilting and stippling within area elements that respect the seam lines of the sewn pattern, and throw themselves into the process of random placement of the needle on autopilot. Thank you very much,but I think I will get on the other bus, on this show. So there you have it. My personal take on the recent, and not so happy viewing of the state of the art of Machine quilting, as it pertains to Knox County, Ohio. And once again, I hope that I have not stepped on any toes here. Or otherwise raised any hackles. John |
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John - no offense taken here! I went to a quilt show last year where I saw
much of the same as far as machine quilting. On the other hand, at another show, I saw more examples of machine quilting being done in a manner than enhanced and complemented the piecing, so that kind of work really is being done. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that it's not always the machine quilter who chooses the quilting design (this applies to those quilts done by a "professional"). Sometimes, for instance, the piecer tells the machine quilter that she wants to spend no more than a certain amount of money. The quilter then has to determine what kind of design she can use and still make money. Many times that is an edge-to-edge design or a form of meander. The piecer would get a more custom-designed quilting job if she wanted (or was able) to spend more money, but budgets don't always allow for that. Other times, the piecer specifically requests the kind of design you're describing - they want something that will hold all three layers together and nothing more. And, quite honestly, it appears there are piecers who just don't know/understand that their quilt could be even more beautiful if an appropriate quilting design were created for it. In an ideal world, every piecer would have an unlimited budget for the quilting portion of the project and the machine quilter would find the perfect quilting design that would show off the piecing and make every piecer the star of the quilt show! I'm looking forward to our local show this fall - will be interested to see if the trend is toward overall designs. -- Louise in Iowa nieland1390@mchsi dot com http://community.webshots.com/user/louiseiniowa "John" wrote in message ... Let me start off with a disclaimer. If any of you are offended by my observations, then I am sorry. If you derive pleasure from the things I am commenting on, then go ahead and continue to enjoy them. My opinions are my own, and "might" coincide with others, or maybe not. That stated, herein follows a brief recounting of todays visit to the local yearly quilt show. Lois and I showed up at the local show and started viewing the offerings from large bed sized quilts to small wall hangings and items of apparel. The one thing that struck me, and Lois, was the fact that the degree of overall quilting by machine was of a singular nature. This observation applied to about 75% of the quilts. The other 25% were hand quilted, and this observation does not apply to them. They were very nicely done. As to the 75%; I have never seen as large a group of quilts, in my life, that were done in such a random manner that defied the sewn seams of the pattern, of the quilt. It is as if the person doing the quilting, and some of them were "professionally" machine quilted, and they used that word "professionally", loosely, in my opinion, was insensitive to the fact that they were crossing over the seams of the pattern of the quilt on autopilot in an effort to confuse attempted artistic random loops and squiggles, in the guise of art, and not respecting the pattern seams as defining elements of the quilt. Now if this is the new norm and I am completely out of step with State of the Art Free motion quilting, then so be it, I am out of step. If you look at the other 25% of the quilts that were hand stitched. they used overall quilting in the appropriate seam bordered elements of the pattern and stayed within the confines of the seams and produced a quilt that respected the pattern design and complimented that with area quilting which enhanced the overall appearance. Out of probably 35 Machine quilts, I think there were probably 2 or 3 that met the the above criteria of respecting the seams, and not going over them randomey, in an attempt to achieve, I don't know what. It is almost as if people take a class on free motion quilting and then throw away all the time honored traditions of using quilting and stippling within area elements that respect the seam lines of the sewn pattern, and throw themselves into the process of random placement of the needle on autopilot. Thank you very much,but I think I will get on the other bus, on this show. So there you have it. My personal take on the recent, and not so happy viewing of the state of the art of Machine quilting, as it pertains to Knox County, Ohio. And once again, I hope that I have not stepped on any toes here. Or otherwise raised any hackles. John |
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We have a local quilter that does a large meandering/mattress allover type
pattern. It is really just plain old function. The work is a bargain in comparison to really beautiful artful machine quilting. Many of the guild members have their work done by this fellow and so lots of the work at their small show is his. For a dorm room, folks with kids or pets on the bed it works but it isn't the most creative choice. Some of my quilts have an allover pattern. I do lots of scrappy busy stuff that will be functional. There is that all the way to the hand quilting I do. I guess there is a place for all of it but I would like to see special work in shows. I am not sure that happens in small guild shows. Every time I go to the road to CA show I come away knowing just how inferior my MQ'ing is. Sure it is improving but on a regular machine there are limitations that just aren't around for long arm quilters. DH and I were talking about this last week. He has played guitar professionally but he could never in this life practice enough to be concert type guitar player. Everyone has different natural born capabilities. Of course hard work and determination go a long way even so. I know as folks have physical limitations there are reasons to have your work done by others. For myself, at this point, I could not call a quilt someone else quilted mine because I can do it myself. I do think there is room for it all though. Hopefully we all have tough toes around here. : ) Taria |
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I agree. Also many machine quilters haven't acquired the skills
necessary to do the custom work that will enhance the pattern of the top. It takes a lot of practice, a bit more thinking, and perhaps a bit more imagination. I do all my own quilting, both hand and machine, in part because I'm too cheap to pay someone to do a really great job of longarm quilting. I use my regular machine (Elna 6003 Quilter's Dream). I'm not great at it, but I do try to do something other than allover stippling or meandering. I have meandered the center of a few small, quick quilts, but always did something a little different in the borders; I think those were Yellow Brick Road or similar patterns and simple meandering seemed appropriate. The heaviest quilting I've ever done was on the Julia's Lily quilt near the bottom of http://webpages.charter.net/jaccola/Quilts2008.html. I was also happy with the way the red & pink Warm Wishes turned out. The other Warm Wishes quilt on that page was much simpler, all straight line, quilting. Julia in MN Louise in Iowa wrote: John - no offense taken here! I went to a quilt show last year where I saw much of the same as far as machine quilting. On the other hand, at another show, I saw more examples of machine quilting being done in a manner than enhanced and complemented the piecing, so that kind of work really is being done. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that it's not always the machine quilter who chooses the quilting design (this applies to those quilts done by a "professional"). Sometimes, for instance, the piecer tells the machine quilter that she wants to spend no more than a certain amount of money. The quilter then has to determine what kind of design she can use and still make money. Many times that is an edge-to-edge design or a form of meander. The piecer would get a more custom-designed quilting job if she wanted (or was able) to spend more money, but budgets don't always allow for that. Other times, the piecer specifically requests the kind of design you're describing - they want something that will hold all three layers together and nothing more. And, quite honestly, it appears there are piecers who just don't know/understand that their quilt could be even more beautiful if an appropriate quilting design were created for it. In an ideal world, every piecer would have an unlimited budget for the quilting portion of the project and the machine quilter would find the perfect quilting design that would show off the piecing and make every piecer the star of the quilt show! I'm looking forward to our local show this fall - will be interested to see if the trend is toward overall designs. -- ----------- This message has been scanned for viruses by Norton Anti-Virus http://webpages.charter.net/jaccola/default ----------- |
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On Aug 15, 1:25*pm, John wrote:
Let me start off with a disclaimer. If any of you are offended by my observations, then I am sorry. If you derive pleasure from the things I am commenting on, then go ahead and continue to enjoy them. My opinions are my own, and "might" coincide with others, or maybe not. That stated, herein follows a brief recounting of todays visit to the local yearly quilt show. *Lois and I showed up at the local show and started viewing the offerings from large bed sized quilts to small wall hangings and items of apparel. The one thing that struck me, and Lois, was the fact that the degree of overall quilting by machine was of a singular nature. This observation applied to about 75% of the quilts. The other 25% were hand quilted, and this observation does not apply to them. They were very nicely done. As to the 75%; I have never seen as large a group of quilts, in my life, that were done in such a random manner that defied the sewn seams of the pattern, of the quilt. It is as if the person doing the quilting, and some of them were "professionally" machine quilted, and they used that word "professionally", loosely, in my opinion, *was insensitive to the fact that they were crossing over the seams of the pattern of the quilt on autopilot in an effort to confuse attempted artistic random loops and squiggles, in the guise of art, and not respecting the pattern seams as defining elements of the quilt. Now if this is the new norm and I am completely out of step with State of the Art Free motion quilting, then so be it, I am out of step. If you look at the other 25% of the quilts that were hand stitched. they used overall quilting in the appropriate seam bordered elements of the pattern and stayed within the confines of the seams and produced a quilt that respected the pattern design and complimented that with area quilting which enhanced the overall appearance. Out of probably 35 Machine quilts, I think there were probably 2 or 3 that met the the above criteria of respecting the seams, and not going over them randomey, in an attempt to achieve, I don't know what. It is almost as if people take a class on free motion quilting and then throw away all the time honored traditions of using quilting and stippling within area elements that respect the seam lines of the sewn pattern, and throw themselves into the process of random placement of the needle on autopilot. Thank you very much,but I think I will get on the other bus, on this show. So there you have it. My personal take on the recent, and not so happy viewing of the state of the art of Machine quilting, as it pertains to Knox County, Ohio. And once again, I hope that I have not stepped on any toes here. Or otherwise raised any hackles. John I can understand the limitations of money into the overall equation. But, I do all of the quilting on all of my quilts myself; with a machine, and proudly so. 1. If I didn't do it, all myself, I wouldn't call it, "My Quilt". 2. If I paid to have it quilted, I wouldn't enter it into a show. 3. I don't like the look of all over quilting on small pieced tops. 4. Number three does not apply to art quilts which are different than small pieced quilts, and have a different type of piecing pattern than traditional small pieced pattern quilts, and therefor might be a candidate for overall machine quilting. I don't make Art Quilts, so I have no personal experience with that element of the medium. I neither like or dislike them. They are a different kettle of fish, for me. Neither better nor worse. Just different. If I ever did do an Art Quilt, I would certainly consider an all over quilting pattern, if I thought it would not detract from the design. Maybe I am a traditionalist in this regard, but one of the quilts that I really appreciated was machine pieced, and hand quilted. The hand quilting was stitched in the ditch. Now there was somebody that took hand stitching to another level. She buried the stitches in the fold of the seam and they were not even seen in some instances. That takes commitment when it could have been done by machine with no foul. Except it wouldn't have been hand quilted. Kudo's to her. I wish I could do the hand stitching, but these old stubby hammer pounded fingers just won't cooperate. My own personal cross to bear, I guess. John |
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I tend to do everything by hand and generally dislike machine
quilting. Perhaps it's a sort of "style", but I really think there are far too many people who will take a very nice quilt top and literally ruin it with that sort of machine quilting you describe, and that is rather sad. Some machine quilting is beautifully done, but that seems to be the exception these days. Stupid question, though -- if Person A makes a quilt top and then has it machine quilted by Person B, how can Person A put that quilt into a show or a competition? Does the quilt go in as by Person A and Person B? And is there a difference if the machine quilting is done by a professional or some sort of commercial enterprise? |
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John wrote:
Let me start off with a disclaimer. If any of you are offended by my observations, then I am sorry. If you derive pleasure from the things I am commenting on, then go ahead and continue to enjoy them. My opinions are my own, and "might" coincide with others, or maybe not. That stated, herein follows a brief recounting of todays visit to the local yearly quilt show. Lois and I showed up at the local show and started viewing the offerings from large bed sized quilts to small wall hangings and items of apparel. The one thing that struck me, and Lois, was the fact that the degree of overall quilting by machine was of a singular nature. This observation applied to about 75% of the quilts. The other 25% were hand quilted, and this observation does not apply to them. They were very nicely done. As to the 75%; I have never seen as large a group of quilts, in my life, that were done in such a random manner that defied the sewn seams of the pattern, of the quilt. It is as if the person doing the quilting, and some of them were "professionally" machine quilted, and they used that word "professionally", loosely, in my opinion, was insensitive to the fact that they were crossing over the seams of the pattern of the quilt on autopilot in an effort to confuse attempted artistic random loops and squiggles, in the guise of art, and not respecting the pattern seams as defining elements of the quilt. Now if this is the new norm and I am completely out of step with State of the Art Free motion quilting, then so be it, I am out of step. If you look at the other 25% of the quilts that were hand stitched. they used overall quilting in the appropriate seam bordered elements of the pattern and stayed within the confines of the seams and produced a quilt that respected the pattern design and complimented that with area quilting which enhanced the overall appearance. Out of probably 35 Machine quilts, I think there were probably 2 or 3 that met the the above criteria of respecting the seams, and not going over them randomey, in an attempt to achieve, I don't know what. It is almost as if people take a class on free motion quilting and then throw away all the time honored traditions of using quilting and stippling within area elements that respect the seam lines of the sewn pattern, and throw themselves into the process of random placement of the needle on autopilot. Thank you very much,but I think I will get on the other bus, on this show. So there you have it. My personal take on the recent, and not so happy viewing of the state of the art of Machine quilting, as it pertains to Knox County, Ohio. And once again, I hope that I have not stepped on any toes here. Or otherwise raised any hackles. John I agree with you. The quilt makers are missing out on an important aspect of the work when they settle for this kind of quilting. Stitch in the ditch, echo, or outline takes much more time to do so, for "professionals", would be much more expensive. However, if you consider a quilt a work of art or a singular expression of artistic craft, then I would rather do a less than perfect job myself, and try to enhance the top's design. Almost anyone (barring physical restrictions) can get a walking foot and outline the major design elements, which would be better than what you describe. However, at a local show, people should be able to enter anything that they are proud of and want to show off, even if it isn't up to big show standards. We shouldn't make anyone feel as if their work isn't good enough to put in - that we are going to be laughing at them, or clicking our tongues in distaste. (I know you would never do that, John. No one in this group would, I'm sure. ;)) Not everyone is into the esthetics of the craft. Some people like to piece but don't like to quilt, and want to save money for more fabric. Some may like the all over designs and don't care about winning prizes. Hopefully, the guilds involved have someone who can give talks about the design enhancing quality of the quilting. (I've seen a group of experienced hand quilters take a horrendous pieced top and turn it into a nice quilt with judicious quilting.) Those who care will listen, look, and learn. Those who don't will continue to produce attractive but less-than-they-could-be pieces. This is the way it has always been in the crafts and arts, and (sigh) we need both kinds to keep the arts going. Turtle It's not the things you have that make you happy, it's the things you do. |
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Hi, John! I'm neither offended nor hackle-raised nor anything of the
sort. And it might be nonsense to comment on something you've seen and I haven't. That said... It sounds like the quilting you're describing is what I think of as "edge to edge" rather than "custom." I think lots of quilts are finished that way by professional quilters when the quilt is not destined for stardom and customers don't want to pay for custom work. Lots of us finish quilts that way because of time constraints or lack of experience. Me, for one. My _quilting_ will not win awards anytime in the near future. But a few of my quilts might stand up decently against the competition in local or regional shows with regard to pattern/design, use of color, etc. When I use edge-to-edge quilting other than meandering, want the quilting design to "make sense" with the patchwork design (No roses on a brown geometric, for instanceg), but it's the patchwork and color that I'm concerned about. Maybe it's because I rarely use patterns... Or maybe I'm missing something in what you wrote. --Heidi http://community.webshots.com/user/rabbit2b (On Aug 15, 1:25*pm, John wrote: Let me start off with a disclaimer. If any of you are offended by my observations, then I am sorry. If you derive pleasure from the things I am commenting on, then go ahead and continue to enjoy them. My opinions are my own, and "might" coincide with others, or maybe not. That stated, herein follows a brief recounting of todays visit to the local yearly quilt show. *Lois and I showed up at the local show and started viewing the offerings from large bed sized quilts to small wall hangings and items of apparel. The one thing that struck me, and Lois, was the fact that the degree of overall quilting by machine was of a singular nature. This observation applied to about 75% of the quilts. The other 25% were hand quilted, and this observation does not apply to them. They were very nicely done. As to the 75%; I have never seen as large a group of quilts, in my life, that were done in such a random manner that defied the sewn seams of the pattern, of the quilt. It is as if the person doing the quilting, and some of them were "professionally" machine quilted, and they used that word "professionally", loosely, in my opinion, *was insensitive to the fact that they were crossing over the seams of the pattern of the quilt on autopilot in an effort to confuse attempted artistic random loops and squiggles, in the guise of art, and not respecting the pattern seams as defining elements of the quilt. Now if this is the new norm and I am completely out of step with State of the Art Free motion quilting, then so be it, I am out of step. If you look at the other 25% of the quilts that were hand stitched. they used overall quilting in the appropriate seam bordered elements of the pattern and stayed within the confines of the seams and produced a quilt that respected the pattern design and complimented that with area quilting which enhanced the overall appearance. Out of probably 35 Machine quilts, I think there were probably 2 or 3 that met the the above criteria of respecting the seams, and not going over them randomey, in an attempt to achieve, I don't know what. It is almost as if people take a class on free motion quilting and then throw away all the time honored traditions of using quilting and stippling within area elements that respect the seam lines of the sewn pattern, and throw themselves into the process of random placement of the needle on autopilot. Thank you very much,but I think I will get on the other bus, on this show. So there you have it. My personal take on the recent, and not so happy viewing of the state of the art of Machine quilting, as it pertains to Knox County, Ohio. And once again, I hope that I have not stepped on any toes here. Or otherwise raised any hackles. John |
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Mary, in the few shows I've been to in the last couple of years, there
were many tags that credited the quilter as well as the piecer. But just for argument's sake, what if the quilter is the one who wants to show the quilt? Shouldn't s/he also credit the one who put it together? I haven't seen any difference in credit for a professional or commercial quilter. Even if one is doing it for a living, it's still one's art. --Heidi http://community.webshots.com/user/rabbit2b On Aug 15, 4:23*pm, Mary wrote: Stupid question, though -- if Person A makes a quilt top and then has it machine quilted by Person B, how can Person A put that quilt into a show or a competition? *Does the quilt go in as by Person A and Person B? *And is there a difference if the machine quilting is done by a professional or some sort of commercial enterprise? |
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On Aug 15, 5:36*pm, "heidi (was rabbit2b)" wrote:
Hi, John! I'm neither offended nor hackle-raised nor anything of the sort. And it might be nonsense to comment on something you've seen and I haven't. That said... It sounds like the quilting you're describing is what I think of as "edge to edge" rather than "custom." I think lots of quilts are finished that way by professional quilters when the quilt is not destined for stardom and customers don't want to pay for custom work. Lots of us finish quilts that way because of time constraints or lack of experience. Me, for one. My _quilting_ will not win awards anytime in the near future. But a few of my quilts might stand up decently against the competition in local or regional shows with regard to pattern/design, use of color, etc. When I use edge-to-edge quilting other than meandering, want the quilting design to "make sense" with the patchwork design (No roses on a brown geometric, for instanceg), but it's the patchwork and color that I'm concerned about. Maybe it's because I rarely use patterns... Or maybe I'm missing something in what you wrote. --Heidi http://community.webshots.com/user/rabbit2b (On Aug 15, 1:25*pm, John wrote: Let me start off with a disclaimer. If any of you are offended by my observations, then I am sorry. If you derive pleasure from the things I am commenting on, then go ahead and continue to enjoy them. My opinions are my own, and "might" coincide with others, or maybe not. That stated, herein follows a brief recounting of todays visit to the local yearly quilt show. *Lois and I showed up at the local show and started viewing the offerings from large bed sized quilts to small wall hangings and items of apparel. The one thing that struck me, and Lois, was the fact that the degree of overall quilting by machine was of a singular nature. This observation applied to about 75% of the quilts. The other 25% were hand quilted, and this observation does not apply to them. They were very nicely done. As to the 75%; I have never seen as large a group of quilts, in my life, that were done in such a random manner that defied the sewn seams of the pattern, of the quilt. It is as if the person doing the quilting, and some of them were "professionally" machine quilted, and they used that word "professionally", loosely, in my opinion, *was insensitive to the fact that they were crossing over the seams of the pattern of the quilt on autopilot in an effort to confuse attempted artistic random loops and squiggles, in the guise of art, and not respecting the pattern seams as defining elements of the quilt. Now if this is the new norm and I am completely out of step with State of the Art Free motion quilting, then so be it, I am out of step. If you look at the other 25% of the quilts that were hand stitched. they used overall quilting in the appropriate seam bordered elements of the pattern and stayed within the confines of the seams and produced a quilt that respected the pattern design and complimented that with area quilting which enhanced the overall appearance. Out of probably 35 Machine quilts, I think there were probably 2 or 3 that met the the above criteria of respecting the seams, and not going over them randomey, in an attempt to achieve, I don't know what. It is almost as if people take a class on free motion quilting and then throw away all the time honored traditions of using quilting and stippling within area elements that respect the seam lines of the sewn pattern, and throw themselves into the process of random placement of the needle on autopilot. Thank you very much,but I think I will get on the other bus, on this show. So there you have it. My personal take on the recent, and not so happy viewing of the state of the art of Machine quilting, as it pertains to Knox County, Ohio. And once again, I hope that I have not stepped on any toes here. Or otherwise raised any hackles. John What I was commenting on was the line of stitching in the quilting passing over the joining of the piecing of the pattern on the quilt top without any regard to the direction or any element of the design of the pattern. Much like if you placed a large template of random stitching over a traditional patterned quilt top and then followed the template to sew together the three pieces of the top, batting, and backing. The stitching was not done with any regard to the pattern of the joined pieces, of the top. As if two different people had a hand in the completion of the quilt, but neither one of them had any idea what the other one was doing, as far as esthetics are concerned. It just seemed so mindless as to design. I don't care about not having enough money to hire a professional quilter who would look at the design and decide where to put the stitching so as to not degrade the whole piece of work with careless placement of stitching across the design lines of the pieced top. If the professional quilter was the sort of person who would do that, that person is hardly a professional. People have asked me to make furniture pieces that used shortcuts, so as to produce a cheaper cost of the item. I declined to do that sort of thing, and suggested they look elsewhere. It would be better for me not to do the quilt at all, if that was the choice I was given. I would rather do one or two quilts a year that I could afford to have done the "right" way, than a whole closet full of this malarkey, that I saw. Sorry for the strong statements, and I know others might not have the same opinions as myself, but there you have it. I am just saying what I would do, not what anybody else must or should do. The exceptions, as stated by others was for utility quilts, or pet bed quilts, or some other such use, but, hardly, for entry into a quilt show. John |
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