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OT Children in Restaurants [was Environmental...]
SNIGDIBBLY wrote:
LOL!!! I know VERY WELL INDEED why 14 YO boys should NOT be allowed to sharpen pencils under the desk with a pen-knife (4" gash in leg = trip to hospital), why they should never be allowed near a screwdriver in an English Lit lesson (poking them into live sockets should be a capital offense: it almost was!), and why they should never be allowed to eat lunch in a room with a video recorder (that almost resulted in death by manual strangulation. Shame he ran too fast! The sandwich in the wrapper took hours to dig out of the machine, and his parents disliked the bill). I have filled in one or two interesting accident report forms in my time. I'm just glad I didn't have to fill in the one about the boy who fell through the school roof... PE department fielded that one. -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
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SNIGDIBBLY wrote:
.... some take longer, LOL!! In my work with deviant parents of abused children I saw something occur over and over - it was magical - at age 35, parents with families who had been in our system since the birth of the first child suddenly "got it" and cases would close. Don't know what it is but something magical happens abou the age of 35. My youngest turns 35 this November. Good luck! -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
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Horror stories nowdays of 5 year old school starters who don't know
what to do with a knife and fork - have always eaten fast-food, with their fingers. Sally at the Seaside ~~~~~~~~~~ (uk) http://community.webshots.com/user/sallyswin On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:17:12 +0200, "Roberta Zollner" wrote:-- Obviously nobody needs a mailed invitation to family dinner every evening, and we mostly don't wear party clothes, and the food isn't always fancy, but my children used the good china, set on a tablecloth, with candles, a napkin, and cutlery/ glasses as required. And the rules were exactly as you described every single night. Plus they were required to sit up straight, participate in conversation, and help clear the table afterwards. They never had any trouble with good manners in public. I lost a plate or 2 and an occasional glass when they were very young, but considered it a cheap tuition fee. I love the idea of decorating hats to match the dress! Roberta in D "KI Graham" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:n2AXf.209193$sa3.33853@pd7tw1no... Of course there are different sets of manners for different occasions: that's part of the fun. If you know the rules, you can play the social "game." And no one likes [or likes to be] a bad sport! I had an afternoon "tea party" for 8 six-eight year old girls and their moms a couple of summers ago. Formal invitations mailed to each child AND to each mom; linen table cloths and napkins, my very best china and crystal. Party dresses mandatory [for moms too.] Each attendee received a broad-brimmed straw hat trimmed with ribbons to match her dress that she decorated with matching silk flowers. We had sandwiches without the crusts, and meringues and fruit and lemon-ginger scones with homemade lemon curd AND we all had our very very best manners. At the very beginning, I told all the girls the rules: try everything on your plate and don't make comments if you don't like something; when fingers are okay, when to use your knife and fork; remember the please and thank you and to call people by their names....and it was "Mrs. Graham" [not Kim] and "Miss Natasha" [not just Tasha]. Two and a half hours on a hot sunny day on my back deck. No one broke anything, no one complained, no one cried, no one even raised her voice! At the end of the afternoon, each of the girls got to take her china cup and saucer home. It was wonderful! On Sunday [when we all wore our hats to church!], almost all the DADS came up to say "Thank you. You made my little girl feel very special." -- Kim Graham http://members.shaw.ca/kigraham Nanaimo, BC, Canada THE WORD IN PATCHWORK "Tia Mary" wrote in message ... Roberta Zollner wrote: I disagree that there are different sets of manners for home -start as you mean to go on! One's family deserves polite and respectful behavior just as much as strangers in a restaurant. And children who are polite at home feel no stress when out in public. Roberta in D I didn't say that kids should be allowed to be rude or disrespectful at home just that they don't have to be on their *best* behaviour. Even we adults have different sets of rules and behaviours for different social situations. By teaching small children just exactly WHAT the different sets of rules are, we encourage them to be critical thinkers and look at their surroundings to determine just which set of behaviours are the most appropriate. Even at school, kids are expected to behave differently in the classroom, the playground and the cafeteria. There are certain rules that DO apply in ALL situations (there is no excuse for rudeness & disrespect) but I don't really believe that there is just one set of general rules for ALL situations. CiaoMeow ^;;^ |
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see, I was never taught that lesson. must be a cultural thing, the
concept of 'inside voice' was totally foreign to me. it is funny though, when we ask her to be quiet she speaks in a whisper for a few minutes. of course after a while she forgets and gets loud again... Pat in Virginia wrote: Ah, that explains a lot!! Maybe it is time start working on the 'quiet voice' lessons now. There is ALWAYS a new lesson required to tame these charming little ones, and keep them charming! One thing I've noticed was that kids develop loud voices in day care situations. We had that happen, and ours never spent more that about 2 hour shifts at the most twice a week! Happens at kiddy party and other kiddy mob scenes, too. We'd just remind them 'quiet voice, please!' PAT, in VA/USA -- Dr. Quilter http://community.webshots.com/user/mvignali (take the dog out for a walk) |
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Of course we had place cards: I hear most of them still live on the little
girls' bedside tables: "Miss Natasha Jones" in fancy script with flowers...we tied the hats to the back of their chairs, and tied a ribbon and silk flowers to match as "napkin rings". They used the ribbon and flowers to decorate their hats. -- Kim Graham http://members.shaw.ca/kigraham Nanaimo, BC, Canada THE WORD IN PATCHWORK "Kate Dicey" wrote in message ... Roberta Zollner wrote: Obviously nobody needs a mailed invitation to family dinner every evening, and we mostly don't wear party clothes, and the food isn't always fancy, but my children used the good china, set on a tablecloth, with candles, a napkin, and cutlery/ glasses as required. And the rules were exactly as you described every single night. Plus they were required to sit up straight, participate in conversation, and help clear the table afterwards. They never had any trouble with good manners in public. I lost a plate or 2 and an occasional glass when they were very young, but considered it a cheap tuition fee. My mum taught me that cheap china that breaks makes a better lesson than plastic that bounces. We now use good china and glasses all the time, even in the garden, and have very few breakages. I love the idea of decorating hats to match the dress! Roberta in D Me too! And possibly place cards or mats as well... "KI Graham" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:n2AXf.209193$sa3.33853@pd7tw1no... Of course there are different sets of manners for different occasions: that's part of the fun. If you know the rules, you can play the social "game." And no one likes [or likes to be] a bad sport! I had an afternoon "tea party" for 8 six-eight year old girls and their moms a couple of summers ago. Formal invitations mailed to each child AND to each mom; linen table cloths and napkins, my very best china and crystal. Party dresses mandatory [for moms too.] Each attendee received a broad-brimmed straw hat trimmed with ribbons to match her dress that she decorated with matching silk flowers. We had sandwiches without the crusts, and meringues and fruit and lemon-ginger scones with homemade lemon curd AND we all had our very very best manners. At the very beginning, I told all the girls the rules: try everything on your plate and don't make comments if you don't like something; when fingers are okay, when to use your knife and fork; remember the please and thank you and to call people by their names....and it was "Mrs. Graham" [not Kim] and "Miss Natasha" [not just Tasha]. Two and a half hours on a hot sunny day on my back deck. No one broke anything, no one complained, no one cried, no one even raised her voice! At the end of the afternoon, each of the girls got to take her china cup and saucer home. It was wonderful! On Sunday [when we all wore our hats to church!], almost all the DADS came up to say "Thank you. You made my little girl feel very special." -- Kim Graham http://members.shaw.ca/kigraham Nanaimo, BC, Canada THE WORD IN PATCHWORK "Tia Mary" wrote in message ... Roberta Zollner wrote: I disagree that there are different sets of manners for home -start as you mean to go on! One's family deserves polite and respectful behavior just as much as strangers in a restaurant. And children who are polite at home feel no stress when out in public. Roberta in D I didn't say that kids should be allowed to be rude or disrespectful at home just that they don't have to be on their *best* behaviour. Even we adults have different sets of rules and behaviours for different social situations. By teaching small children just exactly WHAT the different sets of rules are, we encourage them to be critical thinkers and look at their surroundings to determine just which set of behaviours are the most appropriate. Even at school, kids are expected to behave differently in the classroom, the playground and the cafeteria. There are certain rules that DO apply in ALL situations (there is no excuse for rudeness & disrespect) but I don't really believe that there is just one set of general rules for ALL situations. CiaoMeow ^;;^ -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
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SNIGDIBBLY wrote:
Dr. Foster Cline does some wonderful seminars on Child Psychology. ... He's the one who also said, with tongue firmly planted in cheek, that children are temporarily insane between the ages of 12 and 25 and should be institutionalized because they are a danger to selves and others. LOL!! If you ever get a chance to see him in a workshop or seminar - please go. Sounds rather like what Mark Twain recommended but not as harsh. To paraphrase, Ol' Samuel C. said that small children should be put into barrels and fed through the hole. When they get to be teenagers, you close up the hole :-)! Sounds like something he would say -- LOLOL! CiaoMeow ^;;^ |
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When I was teaching "Life Skills" in a junior high inner city/barrio
school the kids all wanted to "cook". What they really wanted was to make a mess in the kitchen. G So if the class behaved and earned the privilege to do so it was a big production. Since this was a small k-8 school I could do this. "We" planned a lunch. Main dish, side dishes, bread, desert and drinks. Had to be nutritious. Had to meet the basic "color/texture" type standards that are basic to book meal planning. We did as much as possible ahead of time and froze or refrigerated the parts. Invitations to teachers went out. (we scheduled the lunch for regular lunch time and I got permission for the kids to be late to their next class in order to clean up, and to miss part of the class before to prepare......) The students set the tables, including some sort of decoration, and I had table cloths for the tables. They were to greet their guests at the door, offer them something to drink, escort them to a seat and had to make conversation during lunch. And not just about school. G Every time I did this, teachers made positive comments. And the students learned some social "graces" that they did not learn or have exposure to at home. And they discovered they could do some things that they hadn't thought they could. And that teachers were human. They also learned that cleaning up was a part of everything. Since we had several prep days, everyone had a chance to wash dishes, dry dishes and so on. One kid said that *he* didn't do dishes. (not to be racist, but he was a "macho little Hispanic" and was proud of the fact. G ) I said that it gave him a good chance to learn. He discovered he actually liked washing dishes. go figure. Some of the few good parts of that job were those luncheons. Pati, in Phx Roberta Zollner wrote: Obviously nobody needs a mailed invitation to family dinner every evening, and we mostly don't wear party clothes, and the food isn't always fancy, but my children used the good china, set on a tablecloth, with candles, a napkin, and cutlery/ glasses as required. And the rules were exactly as you described every single night. Plus they were required to sit up straight, participate in conversation, and help clear the table afterwards. They never had any trouble with good manners in public. I lost a plate or 2 and an occasional glass when they were very young, but considered it a cheap tuition fee. I love the idea of decorating hats to match the dress! Roberta in D |
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Yes, exactly. I had the same kind of school, a middle school where 98% of
the students were either black or Hispanic. The only white/Asian kids were bussed from across town for the AG program so they could say they actually HAD some white kids...but I digress. Working in that kind of school is definitely a challenge. I was the art teacher, and my kids were old enough to begin stretching their wings into something more than just basic projects. Plus, to keep ME interested, I wanted to do projects that _I_ was interested in. Those were the projects the kids liked best. Sewing, makign snowflakes, crayon batik, linocuts. We had a grant and an artist came and dyed fabric with the kids and we made quilts. It was outstanding! The quilter had had breast cancer and chemo, and her hair was about 1/3 of an inch long all over. One day she got too hot (menopause on top of chemo!) and so as to not scare anybody, she called the kids' attention and just told 'em, "I'm going to pull off this hot wig." and she did, and out of two combined classes (30+ kids for this project), only one of 'em said a word about it. O dang, I digressed again. Anyway, I do understand what you meant about having big projects like that, where the kids feel they can take some ownership, be the most fun of all. They definitely are. L "Pati Cook" wrote Some of the few good parts of that job were those luncheons. Pati, in Phx |
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We did that back in the 50's and early 60's but there was no boys in Home
Economics. They took shop. Very gender specific back in the day. -- http://community.webshots.com/user/snigdibbly SNIGDIBBLY ~e~ " / \ http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/snigdibbly. http://www.ebaystores.com/snigdibbly...ox&refid=store "Pati Cook" wrote in message link.net... When I was teaching "Life Skills" in a junior high inner city/barrio school the kids all wanted to "cook". What they really wanted was to make a mess in the kitchen. G So if the class behaved and earned the privilege to do so it was a big production. Since this was a small k-8 school I could do this. "We" planned a lunch. Main dish, side dishes, bread, desert and drinks. Had to be nutritious. Had to meet the basic "color/texture" type standards that are basic to book meal planning. We did as much as possible ahead of time and froze or refrigerated the parts. Invitations to teachers went out. (we scheduled the lunch for regular lunch time and I got permission for the kids to be late to their next class in order to clean up, and to miss part of the class before to prepare......) The students set the tables, including some sort of decoration, and I had table cloths for the tables. They were to greet their guests at the door, offer them something to drink, escort them to a seat and had to make conversation during lunch. And not just about school. G Every time I did this, teachers made positive comments. And the students learned some social "graces" that they did not learn or have exposure to at home. And they discovered they could do some things that they hadn't thought they could. And that teachers were human. They also learned that cleaning up was a part of everything. Since we had several prep days, everyone had a chance to wash dishes, dry dishes and so on. One kid said that *he* didn't do dishes. (not to be racist, but he was a "macho little Hispanic" and was proud of the fact. G ) I said that it gave him a good chance to learn. He discovered he actually liked washing dishes. go figure. Some of the few good parts of that job were those luncheons. Pati, in Phx Roberta Zollner wrote: Obviously nobody needs a mailed invitation to family dinner every evening, and we mostly don't wear party clothes, and the food isn't always fancy, but my children used the good china, set on a tablecloth, with candles, a napkin, and cutlery/ glasses as required. And the rules were exactly as you described every single night. Plus they were required to sit up straight, participate in conversation, and help clear the table afterwards. They never had any trouble with good manners in public. I lost a plate or 2 and an occasional glass when they were very young, but considered it a cheap tuition fee. I love the idea of decorating hats to match the dress! Roberta in D |
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