Another wannabe Basement Bandit....

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On Dec 26, 9:05 pm, "JKGlassman" wrote:
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article provides the answers to all your questions:

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That's why sales of fuse compatible glass is almost 10 times that of
regular art glass?
That's why there are now as many custom cabinet door panels coming out
of a kiln as made on a stained glass work bench?

Can you actually provide proof of any of the above? Do you fuse a 16
x
36 cabinet panel, without leading the sections together, or do you use
glue?
Please explain.

You never answered me Dennis. I'm still waiting for any kind of
proof
of what you say. I'm a member of SG retailers organizations, and I have
to
say that not 1 has gotten any start from you. Know how I know this? when
your name comes up, no one seems to know very much about you or your
company
aside from buying the occasional Weller #9 tip.
I do believe that you teach some folks, but I can guarantee that not
one of them is making a living doing plates, vases, and kilnforming. Sure
you can make a few thousand selling anything from boats to plates to
beads,
but in 30 years doing this I have yet to see 1 person making a living
doing
only that. I know some wonderful artists making beautiful plates for big
bucks, but not one is your student or supporting their family doing it
alone. Prove me wrong... give us ONE name.

--
JK Sinrodhttp://www.sinrodstudios.comhttp://myconeyislandmemories.com

You really should try harder to overcome the delusion that I might
consider what you believe or not believe to be consequential enough be
concerned about.


OK here's another question. Is there anyone in the glass industry
that you respect and who's opinion you do consider consequential? If that
person asked you the same questions about your claims, would you answer them
in a public forum? I've tried to give you every chance to back up what you
say, you've yet to provide any proof for any of it.


--
JK Sinrod
http://www.sinrodstudios.com
http://myconeyislandmemories.com

"JKGlassman" wrote in message news:477579ad$0 I've
tried to give you every chance to back up what you
say, you've yet to provide any proof for any of it.

Kim...

The funny thing is...anybody else in the glass business can post almost
anything on any subject, and never have their statements challenged.
Except by D-Anus, who has never met a fencepost he didn't want to argue with
and lie to.

And Mikey Savad...remember him? Also someone in serious need of heavy-duty
medications. LOL

an amateur is just that. and a beginner is an amateur. Not a pro, so should
not be selling work until they have gained a bit of technical experience
and/or artistic merit. More power to 'em if they can actually get someone to
buy, but generally, an amatuer should be happy to find someone to give it to
while they learn to perfect their technique! Once they know what they are
doing, they can turn pro and start selling (or not) but a
beginner/apprentice has no business marketing their 'study' pieces to the
general public. friends, family, well, if they want to pay for more lessons,
go for it.... m

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On Dec 28, 8:02 am, nJb wrote:
Jman wrote:
On Dec 26, 5:20 pm, "michele" wrote:
"Jman" wrote in message

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On Dec 23, 5:59 pm, Cydrome Leader
wrote:Anyone
who reads this group knows well what 'kind of people' these
assholes are....
Michelle is more of a Cee U Next Tuesday, but you get the picture.

/FC

OOHHHH, i had to get out my Captain Marvel secret decoder ring for
that
one... Afraid Mommy will wash your mouth out with soap for saying a
bad
word? I dare you to say that to me in person, without your mommy to
hide
behind... Was that your attempt at stained glass that i belittled?
feelings
get hurt? get a (real) life...

Heh, heh....
Damn, it probably took you and the neighbor to figure that one out...
Thank Christ for the
decoder ring eh ?
As far as the glass is concerned, not mine but if I did do a project
like that,
it would probably turn out "Far Worse". You see, I am a beginner and
don't really have the
aspirations to become a 'full time' glass master such as yourself !
I'm more interested in the
"mixed media" aspect of Glass...
Unfortunately, you seem to have no problem critiquing a panel that is
barely visible in a
****ty photo... At least that Joker is actually "selling work" instead
of just talking about it.

Perhaps you should stick to what you know best ("Sucking the bend out
of a river".) and
leave the critiquing to the professionals.
(please feel free to contact the neighbors to figure out the hidden
meaning in this message....)

Cheers Screwface !

/FC

That was real classy.

About as classy as trash talking someone for trying to sell their
work?
http://www.glasscampus.com/tutorials...20or%20Pro.pdf

On Dec 28, 7:33 pm, "JKGlassman" wrote:
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On Dec 26, 9:05 pm, "JKGlassman" wrote:
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article provides the answers to all your questions:

--

That's why sales of fuse compatible glass is almost 10 times that of
regular art glass?
That's why there are now as many custom cabinet door panels coming out
of a kiln as made on a stained glass work bench?

Can you actually provide proof of any of the above? Do you fuse a 16
x
36 cabinet panel, without leading the sections together, or do you use
glue?
Please explain.

You never answered me Dennis. I'm still waiting for any kind of
proof
of what you say. I'm a member of SG retailers organizations, and I have
to
say that not 1 has gotten any start from you. Know how I know this? when
your name comes up, no one seems to know very much about you or your
company
aside from buying the occasional Weller #9 tip.
I do believe that you teach some folks, but I can guarantee that not
one of them is making a living doing plates, vases, and kilnforming. Sure
you can make a few thousand selling anything from boats to plates to
beads,
but in 30 years doing this I have yet to see 1 person making a living
doing
only that. I know some wonderful artists making beautiful plates for big
bucks, but not one is your student or supporting their family doing it
alone. Prove me wrong... give us ONE name.

--
JK Sinrodhttp://www.sinrodstudios.comhttp://myconeyislandmemories.com

You really should try harder to overcome the delusion that I might
consider what you believe or not believe to be consequential enough be
concerned about.

OK here's another question. Is there anyone in the glass industry
that you respect and who's opinion you do consider consequential? If that
person asked you the same questions about your claims, would you answer them
in a public forum? I've tried to give you every chance to back up what you
say, you've yet to provide any proof for any of it.

--
JK Sinrodhttp://www.sinrodstudios.comhttp://myconeyislandmemories.com

There are many I respect and many I have sustantiated my claims to.
You are neither a customer nor a supplier but only an angry little man
whose bitterness I find amusing. Why should I care what you want?

On Dec 28, 8:09 pm, "michele" wrote:
an amateur is just that. and a beginner is an amateur. Not a pro, so should
not be selling work until they have gained a bit of technical experience
and/or artistic merit. More power to 'em if they can actually get someone to
buy, but generally, an amatuer should be happy to find someone to give it to
while they learn to perfect their technique! Once they know what they are
doing, they can turn pro and start selling (or not) but a
beginner/apprentice has no business marketing their 'study' pieces to the
general public. friends, family, well, if they want to pay for more lessons,
go for it.... m



So you have appointed yourself as arbiter as to when someone's work is
acceptable to be offered for sale?
Would that be considered elitist or presumptuous?

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There are many I respect and many I have sustantiated my claims to.

Damn funny none of them have ever shown up on this or any other glass forum
to give one iota of credibility to you.

You are neither a customer nor a supplier but only an angry little man
whose bitterness I find amusing. Why should I care what you want?

If you didn't have some perverted need to gain acceptance, you wouldn't
keep showing up here and being exposed for being a liar and a fool.

Isn't it getting close to time for you to slink off (again) and lick your
wounds for a couple more months?

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On Dec 28, 8:02 am, nJb wrote:
Jman wrote:
On Dec 26, 5:20 pm, "michele" wrote:
"Jman" wrote in message
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On Dec 23, 5:59 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:Anyone
who reads this group knows well what 'kind of people' these
assholes are....
Michelle is more of a Cee U Next Tuesday, but you get the picture.
/FC
OOHHHH, i had to get out my Captain Marvel secret decoder ring for that
one... Afraid Mommy will wash your mouth out with soap for saying a bad
word? I dare you to say that to me in person, without your mommy to hide
behind... Was that your attempt at stained glass that i belittled? feelings
get hurt? get a (real) life...
Heh, heh....
Damn, it probably took you and the neighbor to figure that one out...
Thank Christ for the
decoder ring eh ?
As far as the glass is concerned, not mine but if I did do a project
like that,
it would probably turn out "Far Worse". You see, I am a beginner and
don't really have the
aspirations to become a 'full time' glass master such as yourself !
I'm more interested in the
"mixed media" aspect of Glass...
Unfortunately, you seem to have no problem critiquing a panel that is
barely visible in a
****ty photo... At least that Joker is actually "selling work" instead
of just talking about it.
Perhaps you should stick to what you know best ("Sucking the bend out
of a river".) and
leave the critiquing to the professionals.
(please feel free to contact the neighbors to figure out the hidden
meaning in this message....)
Cheers Screwface !
/FC
That was real classy.

About as classy as trash talking someone for trying to sell their
work?
http://www.glasscampus.com/tutorials...20or%20Pro.pdf

That wasn't nearly as bad as spamming.

you hire an electrician. you want to pay a beginner to wire your house? or
someone that knows their job. You go to a doctor, you want a med student
passing themself off as a Dr. to treat you? Your mechanic is just learning,
so he doesn't quite fix the problem. Your engine quits on the freeway and
you get in awreck. Want a beginner working on your vehicle? it's the same
as any industry out there, you get paid when you know what you're doing,
until then it's practice.
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On Dec 28, 8:09 pm, "michele" wrote:
an amateur is just that. and a beginner is an amateur. Not a pro, so
should
not be selling work until they have gained a bit of technical experience
and/or artistic merit. More power to 'em if they can actually get someone
to
buy, but generally, an amatuer should be happy to find someone to give it
to
while they learn to perfect their technique! Once they know what they are
doing, they can turn pro and start selling (or not) but a
beginner/apprentice has no business marketing their 'study' pieces to the
general public. friends, family, well, if they want to pay for more
lessons,
go for it.... m



So you have appointed yourself as arbiter as to when someone's work is
acceptable to be offered for sale?
Would that be considered elitist or presumptuous?

On Dec 29, 5:29 am, "michele" wrote:
you hire an electrician. you want to pay a beginner to wire your house? or
someone that knows their job. You go to a doctor, you want a med student
passing themself off as a Dr. to treat you? Your mechanic is just learning,
so he doesn't quite fix the problem. Your engine quits on the freeway and
you get in awreck. Want a beginner working on your vehicle? it's the same
as any industry out there, you get paid when you know what you're doing,
until then it's wrote in message

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On Dec 28, 8:09 pm, "michele" wrote:
an amateur is just that. and a beginner is an amateur. Not a pro, so
should
not be selling work until they have gained a bit of technical experience
and/or artistic merit. More power to 'em if they can actually get someone
to
buy, but generally, an amatuer should be happy to find someone to give it
to
while they learn to perfect their technique! Once they know what they are
doing, they can turn pro and start selling (or not) but a
beginner/apprentice has no business marketing their 'study' pieces to the
general public. friends, family, well, if they want to pay for more
lessons,
go for it.... m

So you have appointed yourself as arbiter as to when someone's work is
acceptable to be offered for sale?
Would that be considered elitist or presumptuous?

Are you designating yourself to certify when someone is ready to sell
their work?
What are your credentials?

On Dec 28, 9:07 pm, " Moonraker" wrote:
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There are many I respect and many I have sustantiated my claims to.

Damn funny none of them have ever shown up on this or any other glass forum
to give one iota of credibility to you.

You are neither a customer nor a supplier but only an angry little man
whose bitterness I find amusing. Why should I care what you want?

If you didn't have some perverted need to gain acceptance, you wouldn't
keep showing up here and being exposed for being a liar and a fool.

Isn't it getting close to time for you to slink off (again) and lick your
wounds for a couple more months?

These little exchanges can be fun - but I must admit it's become too
easy and predictable to be a challenge.
I can't imagine anybody other than this tiresome little group being
willing to put up with the trite and tawdry commentary routinely
displayed here. Haven't you figured out yet that is why
participation on this board has pretty much evaporated?
Your gutter version of humour might be big in Gator****, but it's just
silly elsewhere. Perhaps you and Michelle should start an association
to certify basement bandits? Nobody should be allowed to offer any of
their work for sale until you approve?

Definitely entertaining.

Adapt or die.