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It is possible that he is over the age of 62 so that he can get his
retirement benefit while the disablity is being processed. Then if he is approved for disability, a recalculation will be done. The process of applying for disability leaves the medical decision to a separate agency of the individual states. SSA takes the medical information and processes the non-medical portions of the claim. The state agencies determine if the disability meets the critera of rendering the person unable to perform substantial gainful employment (not only the job you had, but any job). On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:23:08 -0500, "Leslie& The Furbabies in MO." wrote: Kathy, this sounds rather unusual. First of all, they do not pay you for the first six months from the date of disability- which cannot be until some date after he quit working. And I am surprised they would indicate it would be 'no problem' since they have no authority to make a decision. It may be 'no problem' to make an application but...... I'm sorry to be a party-pooper but please double check with SS that there wasn't some misunderstanding. I wish you all the very best and a quick decision on your applications. Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. "GrammyKathy" wrote in message ... DH went to the SS office yesterday and signed up. They said there will be no problem of him not only getting it but will be paid back to Feb. when he stopped working. They told him to tell me to come in and apply so I told him to make me an appointment Thank you for all the prayers and keep them comeing cause they sure are working. |
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Yes, at that age it should be a shoo-in... I agree. After age 57 or 58 (I
forget which it is) we are advanced aged workers or some such unflattering designation- and it is almost guaranteed you will be approved. Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. "Witchystitcher" wrote in message ... It is possible that he is over the age of 62 so that he can get his retirement benefit while the disablity is being processed. Then if he is approved for disability, a recalculation will be done. The process of applying for disability leaves the medical decision to a separate agency of the individual states. SSA takes the medical information and processes the non-medical portions of the claim. The state agencies determine if the disability meets the critera of rendering the person unable to perform substantial gainful employment (not only the job you had, but any job). On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:23:08 -0500, "Leslie& The Furbabies in MO." wrote: Kathy, this sounds rather unusual. First of all, they do not pay you for the first six months from the date of disability- which cannot be until some date after he quit working. And I am surprised they would indicate it would be 'no problem' since they have no authority to make a decision. It may be 'no problem' to make an application but...... I'm sorry to be a party-pooper but please double check with SS that there wasn't some misunderstanding. I wish you all the very best and a quick decision on your applications. Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. "GrammyKathy" wrote in message ... DH went to the SS office yesterday and signed up. They said there will be no problem of him not only getting it but will be paid back to Feb. when he stopped working. They told him to tell me to come in and apply so I told him to make me an appointment Thank you for all the prayers and keep them comeing cause they sure are working. |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:53:44 +0000, NightMist
wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:48:33 -0700, GrammyKathy wrote: Unless you are 65 don't count on it. Actually 62 or 60 if widow or widower. In that case, you would get the reduced retirement payment until the Disability claim is processed. Then the amount would be recalculated and you would get any back money. Nine times out of ten you will have to go to court to get SSI. SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is different from SSA Disability. SSI is a program based on financial need. In 1974, the Social Security Administration took over needs based Aid to Aged and Disabled from the individual states. (Welfare payments) This became SSI. SSA Disability is a payment based on your earnings and FICA payments and is not dependent on need. No problem usually means that they think the application process will be smooth and that you should indeed get it, but you will probably have to go to court anyway. It is just the way the system works. After you get it they will back pay to the date of the initial application though. Having worked in the past for SSA for 12 years, this is not the way it works. Very few cases went to court. There were many that went to a Hearing Examiner though, which is less formal and less costly than court and can be done without a lawyer. Even if you use a lawyer, SSA limits the fee and he cannot charge you more. I know exactly two people who got it without having to go to court. Ash got it no questions asked. I got it on my second application. I didn't know about the court thing on my first application, and not going to court earned me a visit from a social worker who yelled at me for not contesting the decision. The same worker was boggled when they just approved the second application. My little brother had to go to court, and he is paralyzed from the waist down! Except for the chosen few (I think it is a lottery or something because it often makes no sense regarding who breezes through) _everybody_ has to go to court to get SSI. Disability is defined as the inability to do substanial gainful employment for a period of at least 12 months. This means not only your own job, but any job you might qualify for. I did see many claims initially that should have been approved, but were overturned by a hearings examiner (not court). In 12 years, only 4 cases I handled actually went to court. Three were again turned down, one approved. I also saw many claims denied for failure to furnish evidence. Considering the fact that you do not have to furnish medical records, just names, addresses and phone number of doctors, it is surprising how many people didn't even do that. Also, claims were denied for not meeting non-medical requirements (in the case of SSI, not furnishing proofs needed to establish need and for Social Security Disability, not having the requisite number of years of employment. I don't know if this policy has changed, but we used to have a policy of not allowing claimants to fill out their own application. If that is still in effect, make sure you read what you are signing. NightMist |
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I ad an Aunt and an Uncle who had both had strokes before age 62. They
were both on disability, she used a cane on her left side and could not speak, he used a cane on his right side. Neither got around very easily and an other uncle took them shopping, mowed their grass, etc. They both got letters saying that they had been on disability to long and that they were being terminated. The other uncle told my Dad what was going to happen and he said that they should both be taken to the SS office right away. As soon as the SS people saw them they were reinstated. Nothing was pretended, both folks were almost child like and the Uncle would cry while the Aunt could only say ****, ****, **** and no for yes and yes for no! They were quit the pair! And family members tried to help as much as they could, visiting, making special meals, etc. On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:53:44 +0000, NightMist wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:48:33 -0700, GrammyKathy wrote: DH went to the SS office yesterday and signed up. They said there will be no problem of him not only getting it but will be paid back to Feb. when he stopped working. They told him to tell me to come in and apply so I told him to make me an appointment Thank you for all the prayers and keep them comeing cause they sure are working. Unless you are 65 don't count on it. Nine times out of ten you will have to go to court to get SSI. No problem usually means that they think the application process will be smooth and that you should indeed get it, but you will probably have to go to court anyway. It is just the way the system works. After you get it they will back pay to the date of the initial application though. I know exactly two people who got it without having to go to court. Ash got it no questions asked. I got it on my second application. I didn't know about the court thing on my first application, and not going to court earned me a visit from a social worker who yelled at me for not contesting the decision. The same worker was boggled when they just approved the second application. My little brother had to go to court, and he is paralyzed from the waist down! Except for the chosen few (I think it is a lottery or something because it often makes no sense regarding who breezes through) _everybody_ has to go to court to get SSI. NightMist |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:55:47 -0400, Bonnie Patterson
wrote: Snip They both got letters saying that they had been on disability to long and that they were being terminated. The other uncle told my Dad what was going to happen and he said that they should both be taken to the SS office right away. The only way that would happen is if they did not furnish the information that was requested for a periodic review. Most younger workers are scheduled for periodic reviews. They were quit the pair! And family members tried to help as much as they could, visiting, making special meals, etc. On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:53:44 +0000, NightMist wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:48:33 -0700, GrammyKathy wrote: DH went to the SS office yesterday and signed up. They said there will be no problem of him not only getting it but will be paid back to Feb. when he stopped working. They told him to tell me to come in and apply so I told him to make me an appointment Thank you for all the prayers and keep them comeing cause they sure are working. Unless you are 65 don't count on it. Nine times out of ten you will have to go to court to get SSI. No problem usually means that they think the application process will be smooth and that you should indeed get it, but you will probably have to go to court anyway. It is just the way the system works. After you get it they will back pay to the date of the initial application though. I know exactly two people who got it without having to go to court. Ash got it no questions asked. I got it on my second application. I didn't know about the court thing on my first application, and not going to court earned me a visit from a social worker who yelled at me for not contesting the decision. The same worker was boggled when they just approved the second application. My little brother had to go to court, and he is paralyzed from the waist down! Except for the chosen few (I think it is a lottery or something because it often makes no sense regarding who breezes through) _everybody_ has to go to court to get SSI. NightMist |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:07:48 -0500, Taria wrote
(in article ): ....and there still is a ton of fraud. go figure. Anyone that thinks government can do anything well is loony tunes. Taria Thanks. I delude myself sometimes into thinking I *am* doing something. Maureen |
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As I said they were both very childlike and may not have paid any
attention to their mail until they got the termination notice. Their only child paid all of their bills, phone, electric, water, sewage. they only had basic bills and she had them sent to her as she lived in a different state. On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:26:15 -0400, Witchystitcher wrote: Snip They both got letters saying that they had been on disability to long and that they were being terminated. The other uncle told my Dad what was going to happen and he said that they should both be taken to the SS office right away. The only way that would happen is if they did not furnish the information that was requested for a periodic review. Most younger workers are scheduled for periodic reviews. They were quit the pair! And family members tried to help as much as they could, visiting, making special meals, etc. |
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"Witchystitcher" wrote in message ... Actually 62 or 60 if widow or widower. In that case, you would get the reduced retirement payment until the Disability claim is processed. Then the amount would be recalculated and you would get any back money. Nine times out of ten you will have to go to court to get SSI. SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is different from SSA Disability. SSI is a program based on financial need. In 1974, the Social Security Administration took over needs based Aid to Aged and Disabled from the individual states. (Welfare payments) This became SSI. SSA Disability is a payment based on your earnings and FICA payments and is not dependent on need. Having worked in the past for SSA for 12 years, this is not the way it works. Very few cases went to court. There were many that went to a Hearing Examiner though, which is less formal and less costly than court and can be done without a lawyer. Even if you use a lawyer, SSA limits the fee and he cannot charge you more. Disability is defined as the inability to do substanial gainful employment for a period of at least 12 months. This means not only your own job, but any job you might qualify for. I did see many claims initially that should have been approved, but were overturned by a hearings examiner (not court). In 12 years, only 4 cases I handled actually went to court. Three were again turned down, one approved. I also saw many claims denied for failure to furnish evidence. Considering the fact that you do not have to furnish medical records, just names, addresses and phone number of doctors, it is surprising how many people didn't even do that. Also, claims were denied for not meeting non-medical requirements (in the case of SSI, not furnishing proofs needed to establish need and for Social Security Disability, not having the requisite number of years of employment. I don't know if this policy has changed, but we used to have a policy of not allowing claimants to fill out their own application. If that is still in effect, make sure you read what you are signing. Thanks for posting. It's always good to get information from someone who knows the way things work, to counter anecdotes that don't always provide all the information. And I'm not saying anyone's being deceptive, I'm saying that there may be reasons for what happened that aren't apparent. I do get really annoyed sometimes at the same old canards about government and government workers. Mom gets Medicare, and so did Dad before he died. Mom has always handled the paperwork and she never seems to have any problems with Medicare - it's her private, supplemental insurance that's been the pain. So I would have no qualms about government healthcare. I do have plenty of qualms about corporate greed, however. Iris |
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