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What Kind of Knot Should I Use?
Using a single strand of cord, about 4 feet long, I want to make a
lanyard. I want it to have a big loop to go around the neck, and a small loop at the bottom. I want it to have only one knot, at the juncture of the 2 loops. It would be nice if it was symmetrical, and/or decorative. What kind of knot should I use? |
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Make a "Dogbone" with a Double or Triple Fisherman's Bend which
enclcoses the opposite strand of the Loop. This gives you two communicating loops that can be adjusted to the sizes you deem appropriate. Darwin "Imagine" wrote in message ... | Using a single strand of cord, about 4 feet long, I want to make a | lanyard. I want it to have a big loop to go around the neck, and a | small loop at the bottom. I want it to have only one knot, at the | juncture of the 2 loops. It would be nice if it was symmetrical, | and/or decorative. What kind of knot should I use? |
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Before things get too far, you might want to specify if it's OK for
the two loops to communicate. By communicate, I mean that tension on either or both of the legs of one loop affects the other loop. You'll have more options if loop communication is acceptable, but two fixed loops are possible as well. -roo Imagine wrote in message . .. Using a single strand of cord, about 4 feet long, I want to make a lanyard. I want it to have a big loop to go around the neck, and a small loop at the bottom. I want it to have only one knot, at the juncture of the 2 loops. It would be nice if it was symmetrical, and/or decorative. What kind of knot should I use? |
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:46:59 -0700, "RigPilot"
wrote: Make a "Dogbone" with a Double or Triple Fisherman's Bend which enclcoses the opposite strand of the Loop. This gives you two communicating loops that can be adjusted to the sizes you deem appropriate. I seem to end up with one end of the cord which is free to slip right out of the Fisherman's Bend. Darwin "Imagine" wrote in message .. . | Using a single strand of cord, about 4 feet long, I want to make a | lanyard. I want it to have a big loop to go around the neck, and a | small loop at the bottom. I want it to have only one knot, at the | juncture of the 2 loops. It would be nice if it was symmetrical, | and/or decorative. What kind of knot should I use? |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:17:41 GMT, Imagine
wrote: Using a single strand of cord, about 4 feet long, I want to make a lanyard. I want it to have a big loop to go around the neck, and a small loop at the bottom. I want it to have only one knot, at the juncture of the 2 loops. It would be nice if it was symmetrical, and/or decorative. What kind of knot should I use? My favorite for this application is the Sailors Knife Lanyard knot (Ashley #787). It is a tight, symmetrical ball that looks like it is covered in a basket weave or over and under pattern. In hard cord, the knot is about 4 times the diameter of the cord. Usually this knot is made with two strands coming in at the top and two strands coming in at the bottom. It makes a knob in a lanyard. I do most of my decorative knotting with nylon parachute cord, which is strong enough to hang a person with. There is a very real danger to putting a loop of this stuff around your neck. This is why I like ABOK #787: if you tie it with a small loop coming out the bottom for your knife, whistle, keys or whatever, there will be two leads coming out of the top. Trim one short, flush with the knot and heat fuse it. (I actually trim and heat fuse first and then work the line back through the knot until the end is flush with the surface of the knot.) Then take the other lead around your neck and back to the knot. Loosen the knot and pass the end right down through the center. Slide it up and down until you like the length, mark the lead where it comes out of the bottom of the knot, and cut it off and heat fuse it. Now draw the knot up very tight and pull the heat fused end up until it is flush with the bottom. If you were tying in cotton or some other un-meltable cord, you might be able to dip the end in glue or whip the end with thread. Now this knot will support a fairly heavy knife, but if you should ever trip and fall and catch the lanyard on something, the fused end will pull through the knot instead of hanging you. I have never had it come out for no reason, and have had it come out once for exactly the reason I recommend it. Aside from the safety aspect, the Lanyard Knot is VERY attractive and gets a lot of interest from people who see it. It is not hard to tie once you figure it out for the first time. I have taught it to many people. -- --Pete "Peter W. Meek" http://www.msen.com/~pwmeek/ |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:48:36 -0400, Peter W. Meek
wrote: I could make a Friendship knot and join it to a larger loop with 2 Zeppelin bends. But why tie 3 knots when 1 will do? This project is not difficult. I have already figured out a couple of ways to do it, but my creative knot tying ability is so limited when compared to the thousands of years of knot tying history. Surely this problem has already been solved in elegant ways. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:17:41 GMT, Imagine wrote: Using a single strand of cord, about 4 feet long, I want to make a lanyard. I want it to have a big loop to go around the neck, and a small loop at the bottom. I want it to have only one knot, at the juncture of the 2 loops. It would be nice if it was symmetrical, and/or decorative. What kind of knot should I use? My favorite for this application is the Sailors Knife Lanyard knot (Ashley #787). It is a tight, symmetrical ball that looks like it is covered in a basket weave or over and under pattern. In hard cord, the knot is about 4 times the diameter of the cord. Usually this knot is made with two strands coming in at the top and two strands coming in at the bottom. It makes a knob in a lanyard. I do most of my decorative knotting with nylon parachute cord, which is strong enough to hang a person with. There is a very real danger to putting a loop of this stuff around your neck. This is why I like ABOK #787: if you tie it with a small loop coming out the bottom for your knife, whistle, keys or whatever, there will be two leads coming out of the top. Trim one short, flush with the knot and heat fuse it. (I actually trim and heat fuse first and then work the line back through the knot until the end is flush with the surface of the knot.) Then take the other lead around your neck and back to the knot. Loosen the knot and pass the end right down through the center. Slide it up and down until you like the length, mark the lead where it comes out of the bottom of the knot, and cut it off and heat fuse it. Now draw the knot up very tight and pull the heat fused end up until it is flush with the bottom. If you were tying in cotton or some other un-meltable cord, you might be able to dip the end in glue or whip the end with thread. Now this knot will support a fairly heavy knife, but if you should ever trip and fall and catch the lanyard on something, the fused end will pull through the knot instead of hanging you. I have never had it come out for no reason, and have had it come out once for exactly the reason I recommend it. Aside from the safety aspect, the Lanyard Knot is VERY attractive and gets a lot of interest from people who see it. It is not hard to tie once you figure it out for the first time. I have taught it to many people. |
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Use the Dogvine. You are not tying it correctly.
Fold your cord in half. Grab the *center* and both working ends together and lay your work out horizontally in front of you. Open the bights of the loop at the right and left and overlap the working ends as if to tie your Bend. It should look like a Dog Bone (or a Barbell). Now tie a Double or Triple Fisherman's Bend (or Grapevine Bend) around both sides of your loop at once (or the Top and Bottom). This *encloses* the opposite side of the original loop and creates two loops. The Standing Part will pass back and forth "through the Bend". This allows the two loops to *communicate*, so that one becomes larger as the other becomes smaller (and vice versa). When tied and set correctly, there are no loose ends to slip out. "Imagine" wrote in message ... | On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:48:36 -0400, Peter W. Meek | wrote: | | I could make a Friendship knot and join it to a larger loop with 2 | Zeppelin bends. But why tie 3 knots when 1 will do? | | This project is not difficult. I have already figured out a couple of | ways to do it, but my creative knot tying ability is so limited when | compared to the thousands of years of knot tying history. | | Surely this problem has already been solved in elegant ways. |
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