Some OT, some not. A little venting, a little beadmaking talk....

...we
can't go visiting
because we don't fancy hanging out in people's driveways.

I'd like to add --- But we have done this! (Hang out in driveways because
there was no alternative) It's just sort of cold now. And I like to sit down
on furniture, personally...... ;-)
~~
Sooz
The things that will destroy us a politics without principle; pleasure
without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business
without morality; science without humanity, and worship without sacrifice. - M.
Ghandi

Why should anyone add something expensive and disfiguring to their house just
because they might have a visit from someone in a wheelchair
someday? I mean, we understand that. We're not unreasonable.

Oh, I realize that. I know you weren't complaining, just telling it like it
is. I just feel rotten that I've never really thought about all the
complexities that being in a wheelchair entails. You know those ramps that
kids are always building for skate boarding? I was thinking it would be nice
to have small, portable ones available for homeowners.

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Specifically for you, though, Sooz, I think their timing left a LOT to be
desired.

Actually, I don't think LDS missionaries are supposed to be out tracting after
dark either. Definitely creepy.



Carol in SLC
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We have a ramp into the house for a formerly elderly golden retriever, and it
works very nicely for persons of the wheelchair-propelled persuasion!

The Blessed Fiddy, Patroness Saint of the Disorganized
LC in Sunny So Cal
Personality Development Specialist (Full-Time Mom!)

They'd taken the forms off on Friday, so I guess the next step is doing the
tensioning and then framing can start.

I'm so excited for you guys!



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When I went to live in Canada, it was supposed that because Canada was an
"English Colony", they were much more conservative and even a little
backwards. But it was when I returned to the States that I encountered
sexism, and conservatism.

Tina


"vj" wrote in message
...
vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "starlia"
:

]Just on the curiosity side, what do other countries do? Is there any
place
]in the world that recognizes gay marriage?

most of Canada.


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"Giving money and power to government is like giving
whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke

It is to a Westerner. Medicine has been practiced there in that manner for
a very long time.

Tina


"vj" wrote in message
...
vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Christina Peterson"
:

]The only thing I can see to resolve this is the Chinese practice of
paying a
]doctor to keep you well

what a novel thought!


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"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
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Snippity:

Worse, and unfortunately not as uncommon as the above scenario; a gay
couple has kids; one of the couple is the biological parent and the other
is not. The non-biological parent cannot legally adopt the kids because
the other biological parent is still around and involved. You can probably
imagine what happens if the biological parent in the gay couple dies.

-Kalera
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I'm pretty much staying off this thread, but this made me wonder. Say a
male couple decides they would very much like to have a child, or children.
Would it be possible for a lab to take sperm from both, and mix the two
samples, thersby not allowing any clear picture of exactly what sperm
impregnated the donor egg? Sana a blood test being done after the birth,
this could be a way to say the kid is biologically the spawn of both male
parents. Or is my imagination in over drive? Just letting the mind drift
on this one.

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They do make folding aluminum ramps for wheel chairs. Mostly used to get
into vans but might work well for a step or 2. I think 3 stepd would make it
too steep.
For anyone who is interested the standard is one foot per inch of height. If
your porch is 24" off the ground you need a 24' ramp. This is the Fed.Gov't
safety standard.

Say a
male couple decides they would very much like to have a child, or children.
Would it be possible for a lab to take sperm from both, and mix the two
samples, thersby not allowing any clear picture of exactly what sperm
impregnated the donor egg? Sana a blood test being done after the birth,
this could be a way to say the kid is biologically the spawn of both male
parents. Or is my imagination in over drive? Just letting the mind drift
on this one.

Sure. Use a turkey baster on a friend! :-D

I'm pretty much staying off this thread

But it's okay. I personally don't understand.....Why aren't more of us
comfortable with this sort of discussion? There aren't any flames (except
toward "Steve", of course).
~~
Sooz
The things that will destroy us a politics without principle; pleasure
without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business
without morality; science without humanity, and worship without sacrifice. - M.
Ghandi