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"Joan E." wrote in message oups.com... Pat P wrote: We are even more apalled over here, as we no longer have "Christmas" lights Speaking of lights, someone synchronized their Christmas house lights to music. It's really something to see! I can't find a proper link so, if anyone would like me to send them the file, just email me (my address isn't munged) and put "Christmas light show" in the subj. and I'll happily forward it. Joan Someone sent it to me - it was very clever, but if that house was next to me I`d have the Police on them! Talk about NOISY! Pat P |
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"Gill Murray" wrote in message news:%P0lf.847$EB3.297@trnddc09... Gill Murray wrote: In the dim and distant past when I was at school, children of different faiths were excused morning assembly (when the hymns and prayers were held). Nowadays, I understand that they don`t even HAVE it! Pat P I remember I always wished I was a Catholic! I would go running to get to school before the doors to Assembly were closed ( I still hate to get up early). The Catholic kids got to wait outside until prayers and the reading was over, and then go in for the mundane daily stuff! gillian Bad form to add to my own post, but I forgot to tell Pat that I actually found my school Hymnal the other day, with the school crest on the front! Gillian You lucky thing - I lost mine years ago. I think that ours had the school crest on too - a Viking Ship with a beacon on the mast, and the words Vitae Lampada Tradamus (We pass on the torch of life). That was when it was a grammar school and uniform was VERY strict. Now they wear what they like. Pat P |
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On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:03:37 -0500, "Lucille"
wrote: "Susan Hartman" wrote in message ... Gill Murray wrote: Joan, Cheryl sent this to me. It was a wmv file, and I will try to forward it on to you! Gillian Here's the link on Snopes, so you don't have to email it around: http://www.snopes.com/photos/arts/xmaslights.asp There are two different videos of choreographed lights. Sue Susan Hartman/Dirty Linen The Magazine of Folk and World Music http://www.dirtylinen.com I saw the interview this morning on the today show. They seem like a great family. They respect their neighbors and only have the show lit up from 6 pm to 10 pm and they have told everyone that if it annoys them they will stop. Lucille Well that is good to know. A couple of people sent it to me and my reaction was, kill ! |
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On 12/5/05 9:47 PM, in article , "Susan Hartman"
wrote: Gill Murray wrote: Joan, Cheryl sent this to me. It was a wmv file, and I will try to forward it on to you! Gillian Here's the link on Snopes, so you don't have to email it around: http://www.snopes.com/photos/arts/xmaslights.asp There are two different videos of choreographed lights. Sue Did anyone else watch the Jingle Bells light show (small link near bottom of page)? I loved it. Cheryl |
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Karen C - California wrote:
Ericka Kammerer wrote: Why should those who are not Christian have to sing Christian songs at school? For the same reason that Miss Alcee made those of us who were not French sing French songs -- to learn to appreciate another culture. But: 1) French songs do not involve what many may perceive as participating in another religion. 2) Miss Alcee made you sing songs to familiarize yourself with an unfamiliar culture. It'd be a *huge* stretch to suggest that non-Christians in the US are somehow in need of more exposure to Christmas. Best wishes, Ericka |
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Brenda Lewis wrote:
The thing that really makes no sense is how many schools change the lyrics for Christmas songs to avoid offending non-Christian students and families but think nothing of making the choir sing a full Latin mass (as written) in the spring for large group contest and the accompanying local concert. If "We Wish You a Merry Christmas" is so offensive, shouldn't the singing of a piece actually written for use in worship be even more so? This selective whitewashing is what offends me. I don't see the point in changing lyrics. I think there are plenty of great non-religious songs to sing such that it's completely unnecessary to do so. As far as singing a Latin Mass goes, I think that depends on the age of the kids. I think religious music should be avoided in public school for younger students who aren't yet of an age to understand how to navigate in a multicultural world. For older students who are studying music, of course they should be exposed to the great musical traditions of all cultures. I think age and purpose makes a big difference. Similarly, I don't have a problem with public schools having older students reading religious texts from various religions in the context of understanding the importance of those texts within their respective cultures, but I think it's a very different thing to, say, start each day with a public Bible reading. Best wishes, Ericka |
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Alison wrote:
Thank you Ericka. I particularly agree with you about the AD/CE bit. I think that changing the Christmas songs to holiday though is not the answer. They are still Christmas songs to me. Well, I don't see the point in changing the words either. It's not like there's a shortage of great music to sing such that this is necessary. What really annoys me and many Jews I know is trying to make Hanukkah the Christmas analog. Hanukkah is a relatively minor festival unlike Christmas. Personally I'm all for the secular Christmas stuff - the goodwill, the giving to charities, the love and understanding in our families - etc. Sure, but that hardly needs to be tied to Christmas, per se, for those who do not celebrate Christmas. I mean, if there are non-Christians who want to celebrate a secular Christmas, that's certainly their prerogative (though it's not one I particularly understand), but it's not like Christians or those who celebrate Christmas have some sort of exclusive lock on "peace on earth, goodwill towards men." And I also agree about the trying to rationalize celebrating Christmas anywhere and everywhere by insisting that it's really about "winter holidays" and, of course, everyone's got one of *those*. If we were *really* all that inclusive and respectful of other traditions, we'd make a fuss over their important holidays *when they happen*, not just trot them out at Christmastime as a thinly veiled rationalization for making a big to-do over the "real" holiday "everyone" is really interested in. It's sort of like having four kids with September birthdays and one with a March birthday (such that the "half birthday" is in September), and always celebrating all their birthdays on the day in September of the oldest kid's birthday. It doesn't take the other kids long to figure out they're getting the short end of the stick. Best wishes, Ericka |
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Ericka Kammerer wrote:
Sure, but that hardly needs to be tied to Christmas, per se, for those who do not celebrate Christmas. I mean, if there are non-Christians who want to celebrate a secular Christmas, that's certainly their prerogative (though it's not one I particularly understand), I see no difference in the secular who confiscated Christmas just as the christians confiscated the soltice. Dianne but it's not like Christians or those who celebrate Christmas have some sort of exclusive lock on "peace on earth, goodwill towards men." And I also agree about the trying to rationalize celebrating Christmas anywhere and everywhere by insisting that it's really about "winter holidays" and, of course, everyone's got one of *those*. If we were *really* all that inclusive and respectful of other traditions, we'd make a fuss over their important holidays *when they happen*, not just trot them out at Christmastime as a thinly veiled rationalization for making a big to-do over the "real" holiday "everyone" is really interested in. It's sort of like having four kids with September birthdays and one with a March birthday (such that the "half birthday" is in September), and always celebrating all their birthdays on the day in September of the oldest kid's birthday. It doesn't take the other kids long to figure out they're getting the short end of the stick. Best wishes, Ericka -- "The Journal of Needlework" - The E-zine for All Needleworkers http://journal.heritageshoppe.com |
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As a non-Christian, I celebrate Yule aka Winter Solstice.
We put up a Yule tree, and we have a Sun Return Wreath which we light a candle in for each of the 4 Sundays before Yule (yes, we stole the Advent Wreath from the Christian custom). When we light the candles, we read a story from a book of myths about the Sun. I don't reallly understand what the fuss is about -- if I know someone is Christian, I'll wish them a Merry Christmas, if I don't know a person's faith, THEN I wish them Happy Holidays. Shouldn't manners trump political correctness? Lori Coulson |
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I don't reallly understand what the fuss is about -- if I know someone is Christian, I'll wish them a Merry Christmas, if I don't know a person's faith, THEN I wish them Happy Holidays. Shouldn't manners trump political correctness? The voice of reason. Thanks Lori, and a Merry Yule. Dawne |
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