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Copper taping machines
Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak
approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones? Thanks, Michael |
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Hi Michael
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:46:01 -0700, Michael wrote: Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones? I use the Glastar machine for all my 'tiffany' work - and I'd hate to think of foiling without it. It's handy in that it not only positions the foil correctly on the glass, but also does a partial 'crimp' on the foil. A quick wipe round with a little tool called the Kwik Crimp Hand Crimper, and that's the foiling and burnishing done! There are times when it's less than ideal - particularly if the glass is a little on the thick side, or it if has a heavy surface texture - when the crimping effect of the Glastar can tend to guillotine the foil - but, you can get round this if you are careful. There are other foilers (particuarly the Diegel Foiler) - but I don;t think they do the crimp in the same way as the Glastar... As always - it's whatever works for you g Regards Adrian www.inspired-glass.com |
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"Michael" wrote in message ups.com... Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones? Thanks, Michael There is a newer one out that foils horizontally, heard best reports about it so far, one of the guys with a shop will know the name of it. I still do it by hand, so I couldn't tell you. |
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Copper taping machines
On Sep 24, 2:46 am, Michael wrote:
Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones? Thanks, Michael I've tried them all the the Table Foiler is by far the best out there. Centers and crimps. You only need to burnish the foil down. Works on most glass. Some textures need to still be handfoiled but you should know how to do that anyway. Andy |
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Michael - Whatever you do, don't get the little hand-held, $8-piece-of- work, taping device. It's okay for about 10% of the time. The rest is dismal. shawn |
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Copper taping machines
wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 24, 2:46 am, Michael wrote: Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones? Thanks, Michael I've tried them all the the Table Foiler is by far the best out there. Centers and crimps. You only need to burnish the foil down. Works on most glass. Some textures need to still be handfoiled but you should know how to do that anyway. Andy Agreed 100%. Table Foiler is worth whatever you have to pay for it. Glastar was fine for 25 years, but it's dogmeat now compared to the new one. Trust me... -- JK Sinrod www.SinrodStudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com |
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Thanks for posting on this. I'm going to try the Table Foiler. I'm
in favor of anything I can do that speeds up the process without degrading the end product. Michael |
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HI
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:17:14 -0400, "glassman" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 24, 2:46 am, Michael wrote: Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones? Thanks, Michael I've tried them all the the Table Foiler is by far the best out there. Centers and crimps. You only need to burnish the foil down. Works on most glass. Some textures need to still be handfoiled but you should know how to do that anyway. Andy Agreed 100%. Table Foiler is worth whatever you have to pay for it. Glastar was fine for 25 years, but it's dogmeat now compared to the new one. Trust me... I do ! - but..... g What are the advantages of the Table Foiler over the Glastar ? - if it's that good then I'll think seriously about getting one... Does it overcome the 'foil splitting on thicker / textured glass' problem, and does it do a partial crimp? I'm sure I've seen some foilers that apply the foil 'flat' on the edge of the glass, and I can't see the point in that. I'm struggling to see the difference between the two machines. Is it in ease of handling the glass, as with the Table Foiler you are laying the glass flat on the platform, whereas with the Glastar you have to align it with the slot in the pressure wheel ? Looks like it would be a fairly easy thing to homebrew - a spare Glastar pressure wheel (got some of those !), mounted on a bolt with a big spring and a wingnut, and a platform of some some sort, maybe covered with a low-friction coating..... ....but then, I've probably missed something critical.. I do a lot of foil work, and anything that makes it simpler / quicker has to be good news... Regards Adrian |
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On Sep 25, 12:27 am, Adrian wrote:
HI On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:17:14 -0400, "glassman" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Sep 24, 2:46 am, Michael wrote: Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones? Thanks, Michael I've tried them all the the Table Foiler is by far the best out there. Centers and crimps. You only need to burnish the foil down. Works on most glass. Some textures need to still be handfoiled but you should know how to do that anyway. Andy Agreed 100%. Table Foiler is worth whatever you have to pay for it. Glastar was fine for 25 years, but it's dogmeat now compared to the new one. Trust me... I do ! - but..... g What are the advantages of the Table Foiler over the Glastar ? - if it's that good then I'll think seriously about getting one... Does it overcome the 'foil splitting on thicker / textured glass' problem, and does it do a partial crimp? I'm sure I've seen some foilers that apply the foil 'flat' on the edge of the glass, and I can't see the point in that. I'm struggling to see the difference between the two machines. Is it in ease of handling the glass, as with the Table Foiler you are laying the glass flat on the platform, whereas with the Glastar you have to align it with the slot in the pressure wheel ? Looks like it would be a fairly easy thing to homebrew - a spare Glastar pressure wheel (got some of those !), mounted on a bolt with a big spring and a wingnut, and a platform of some some sort, maybe covered with a low-friction coating..... ...but then, I've probably missed something critical.. I do a lot of foil work, and anything that makes it simpler / quicker has to be good news... Regards Adrian- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The thing with the table foiler is that you lay the glass on a little table part, raise or lower the foil wheel with a simple wing nut. It doesn't get much more simpler. The other foilers, you have to hold the glass upright. The Table foiler comes with three different size wheels to accomodate 3/16", 7/32" and 1/4" foil. Keep in mind that it won't foil ALL glass but just about all Spectrum. Kok, Arm, some BE and Uro. I've sold at least a couple hundred and just about every customer has called or come back in and just raved about it. As Kim said: It's worth whatever you pay for it. Andy |
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wrote in message oups.com... The thing with the table foiler is that you lay the glass on a little table part, raise or lower the foil wheel with a simple wing nut. It doesn't get much more simpler. The other foilers, you have to hold the glass upright. The Table foiler comes with three different size wheels to accomodate 3/16", 7/32" and 1/4" foil. Keep in mind that it won't foil ALL glass but just about all Spectrum. Kok, Arm, some BE and Uro. I've sold at least a couple hundred and just about every customer has called or come back in and just raved about it. As Kim said: It's worth whatever you pay for it. Andy So you are saying that if I had one of these, I'd outgrow my complete hatred of copper foiling? I'd rather have a tetanus shot with a dull needle than work with foil. Bleeech! |
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