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Old September 24th 07, 10:46 AM posted to rec.crafts.glass
Michael[_2_]
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Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak
approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of
copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any
good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones?

Thanks, Michael

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Old September 24th 07, 12:42 PM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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Hi Michael

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:46:01 -0700, Michael wrote:

Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak
approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of
copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any
good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones?


I use the Glastar machine for all my 'tiffany' work - and I'd hate to
think of foiling without it.

It's handy in that it not only positions the foil correctly on the
glass, but also does a partial 'crimp' on the foil. A quick wipe round
with a little tool called the Kwik Crimp Hand Crimper, and that's the
foiling and burnishing done!

There are times when it's less than ideal - particularly if the glass
is a little on the thick side, or it if has a heavy surface texture -
when the crimping effect of the Glastar can tend to guillotine the
foil - but, you can get round this if you are careful.

There are other foilers (particuarly the Diegel Foiler) - but I don;t
think they do the crimp in the same way as the Glastar...

As always - it's whatever works for you g

Regards
Adrian
www.inspired-glass.com
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Old September 24th 07, 03:26 PM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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"Michael" wrote in message
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Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak
approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of
copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any
good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones?

Thanks, Michael


There is a newer one out that foils horizontally, heard best reports about
it so far, one of the guys with a shop will know the name of it. I still do
it by hand, so I couldn't tell you.


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Old September 24th 07, 07:12 PM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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On Sep 24, 2:46 am, Michael wrote:
Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak
approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of
copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any
good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones?

Thanks, Michael


I've tried them all the the Table Foiler is by far the best out there.
Centers and crimps. You only need to burnish the foil down. Works on
most glass. Some textures need to still be handfoiled but you should
know how to do that anyway.

Andy

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Old September 24th 07, 10:33 PM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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Michael - Whatever you do, don't get the little hand-held, $8-piece-of-
work, taping device. It's okay for about 10% of the time. The rest
is dismal.

shawn



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Old September 25th 07, 02:17 AM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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wrote in message
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On Sep 24, 2:46 am, Michael wrote:
Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak
approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of
copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any
good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones?

Thanks, Michael


I've tried them all the the Table Foiler is by far the best out there.
Centers and crimps. You only need to burnish the foil down. Works on
most glass. Some textures need to still be handfoiled but you should
know how to do that anyway.

Andy



Agreed 100%. Table Foiler is worth whatever you have to pay for it.
Glastar was fine for 25 years, but it's dogmeat now compared to the new one.
Trust me...


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Old September 25th 07, 03:07 AM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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Thanks for posting on this. I'm going to try the Table Foiler. I'm
in favor of anything I can do that speeds up the process without
degrading the end product.

Michael

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Old September 25th 07, 08:27 AM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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HI

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:17:14 -0400, "glassman"
wrote:


wrote in message
roups.com...
On Sep 24, 2:46 am, Michael wrote:
Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak
approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of
copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any
good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones?

Thanks, Michael


I've tried them all the the Table Foiler is by far the best out there.
Centers and crimps. You only need to burnish the foil down. Works on
most glass. Some textures need to still be handfoiled but you should
know how to do that anyway.

Andy



Agreed 100%. Table Foiler is worth whatever you have to pay for it.
Glastar was fine for 25 years, but it's dogmeat now compared to the new one.
Trust me...


I do ! - but..... g

What are the advantages of the Table Foiler over the Glastar ? -
if it's that good then I'll think seriously about getting one...

Does it overcome the 'foil splitting on thicker / textured glass'
problem, and does it do a partial crimp?

I'm sure I've seen some foilers that apply the foil 'flat' on the edge
of the glass, and I can't see the point in that.

I'm struggling to see the difference between the two machines. Is it
in ease of handling the glass, as with the Table Foiler you are laying
the glass flat on the platform, whereas with the Glastar you have to
align it with the slot in the pressure wheel ?

Looks like it would be a fairly easy thing to homebrew - a spare
Glastar pressure wheel (got some of those !), mounted on a bolt with a
big spring and a wingnut, and a platform of some some sort, maybe
covered with a low-friction coating.....

....but then, I've probably missed something critical..

I do a lot of foil work, and anything that makes it simpler / quicker
has to be good news...

Regards
Adrian
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Old September 25th 07, 04:40 PM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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On Sep 25, 12:27 am, Adrian wrote:
HI

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:17:14 -0400, "glassman"
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wrote in message
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On Sep 24, 2:46 am, Michael wrote:
Well here is probably another tired subject. I've heard some speak
approvingly of machines that do a good and fast and efficient job of
copper taping. I've got a catalog with a Glastar machine. Is it any
good? Are any of them any good? If yes, which ones?


Thanks, Michael


I've tried them all the the Table Foiler is by far the best out there.
Centers and crimps. You only need to burnish the foil down. Works on
most glass. Some textures need to still be handfoiled but you should
know how to do that anyway.


Andy


Agreed 100%. Table Foiler is worth whatever you have to pay for it.
Glastar was fine for 25 years, but it's dogmeat now compared to the new one.
Trust me...


I do ! - but..... g

What are the advantages of the Table Foiler over the Glastar ? -
if it's that good then I'll think seriously about getting one...

Does it overcome the 'foil splitting on thicker / textured glass'
problem, and does it do a partial crimp?

I'm sure I've seen some foilers that apply the foil 'flat' on the edge
of the glass, and I can't see the point in that.

I'm struggling to see the difference between the two machines. Is it
in ease of handling the glass, as with the Table Foiler you are laying
the glass flat on the platform, whereas with the Glastar you have to
align it with the slot in the pressure wheel ?

Looks like it would be a fairly easy thing to homebrew - a spare
Glastar pressure wheel (got some of those !), mounted on a bolt with a
big spring and a wingnut, and a platform of some some sort, maybe
covered with a low-friction coating.....

...but then, I've probably missed something critical..

I do a lot of foil work, and anything that makes it simpler / quicker
has to be good news...

Regards
Adrian- Hide quoted text -

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The thing with the table foiler is that you lay the glass on a little
table part, raise or lower the foil wheel with a simple wing nut. It
doesn't get much more simpler. The other foilers, you have to hold the
glass upright. The Table foiler comes with three different size wheels
to accomodate 3/16", 7/32" and 1/4" foil. Keep in mind that it won't
foil ALL glass but just about all Spectrum. Kok, Arm, some BE and Uro.
I've sold at least a couple hundred and just about every customer has
called or come back in and just raved about it. As Kim said: It's
worth whatever you pay for it.

Andy

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Old September 25th 07, 04:46 PM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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wrote in message
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The thing with the table foiler is that you lay the glass on a little
table part, raise or lower the foil wheel with a simple wing nut. It
doesn't get much more simpler. The other foilers, you have to hold the
glass upright. The Table foiler comes with three different size wheels
to accomodate 3/16", 7/32" and 1/4" foil. Keep in mind that it won't
foil ALL glass but just about all Spectrum. Kok, Arm, some BE and Uro.
I've sold at least a couple hundred and just about every customer has
called or come back in and just raved about it. As Kim said: It's
worth whatever you pay for it.

Andy


So you are saying that if I had one of these, I'd outgrow my complete hatred
of copper foiling?

I'd rather have a tetanus shot with a dull needle than work with foil.
Bleeech!


 




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