Happiness is

Jangchub wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:35:51 -0400, "Dr. Brat"
wrote:


Jangchub wrote:



I think the average lifespan of a man in this country of America is
73. Let me go look...BRB

"Separating the figures by gender, men on average live to 72, while
women live to 79 in the US, a difference of seven years according to
the 2001 CIA World Factbook. This difference is not fully understood,
but it has something to do with genetics and hormonal differences
between the sexes. Scientists are looking into to such difference for
clues about the aging process."

According to the 2008 CIA World Factbook, the average male's life
expectancy in the US is now 75.

Elizabeth


He'll turn 73 eight months after taking office, so by the averages he
will not make his first term. I know it's an average, so no need to
remind me. I don't like him. I don't like her. I didn't like Bush.
I still don't like Bush. He is the worst president in the history of
the United States and McCaine voted for his decisions almost
unanimously over the last eight years.

You don't have to like him or her. I'm just saying your arguments would
be a lot more credible if you'd get the facts right.

Elizabeth
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Jangchub wrote:

What I'm sick of is his stock answer
to all questions where he says, I was a POW,




Yep, they razzed Rudy Giuliani for sentences constructed of "noun, verb,
9/11", and here's McCain doing the same thing, every sentence is "noun,
verb, POW."

Enough already. Surely there's some reason to vote for you other than
you were a POW?


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Victoria ,
generations of Jews have prayed to the MIZRACH =where Jerushalayim
is] , =to the East ,,, The Term Middle East was coined by Europeans,
who put Europe in the Middle of Humanity and hence they called the
world East West Far east Middle east etc,,,,, If i remember my reading
[in maps etc] it does appear in rather Modern maps of Western
geographers . In Ancient maps all those relating to Israel , call it
east ... If i remember well from my studies half a century ago , it
was also connected to the borders of the Ottoman Empire , something in
1820 take or leave 1-3 years ,,, In those times `the Powers that were
`, sat together from time to time , and sliced Asia , Africa , as if
they were cakes , A piece for Turkey and piece for France and a piece
for Britain etc,,,,
This hasn`t turned Judaism into a Middle Eastern Culture, since this
term was born a bit after Judaism . Middle East is a Geographical /
political term .

Mirjam, you seem to be extremely ignorant on most subjects and take
issue with just about everyone here, so I'll take what you say with a
grain of salt. *How do you know I didn't grow up with Buddhism in my
home? *Just because my grandmother was a Jew? *That's ridiculous.
In all the years i read your letters you have given Several cultural
backgrounds, I don`t recall you telling growing up in a Budihist
Background .

By the way, you are from the middle eastern culture, not eastern.
Israel in in the middle east. *The place president Bush calls part of
the axis of evil, sans Israel, of course.
See my Above Comment , you are mixing Modern Geographical
terminologies with Historical facts, Which has no Connection what so
ever. And this is the First time i hear that President Bush`s
Political statements define my culture !!!! But of course one can
learn new things every day.


There is scientific evidence for each and every point I made. *It's so
unimportant to me if anyone believe as I do that for you to say it is
makes you pretty ignorant.
Sceince is not a matter of Belief , Science has to be prooved , in
research etc, and your Calling me ignorant , doesn `t change the
fact , that ceratin belief systems , try to use the word `Science` ,
to gain more believers and spread their philosophies.

You know nothing of Buddhism if you could say I shouldn't have
compassion for the terrorists. *You didn't comment on WHY I said I had
it, rather you splurt out some drivel about me not being human. *Oy.
If you aren`t aware of it , The world as we know it is under attack of
terrorism , if they will have their will , we won`t be able to discuss
freely our opinions. ANYONE who has Compassion for Terrorists , has
taken a stand point that mooves him/her to the "other side ",
I know too much about Terrorists and the Result of their Actions, Thus
I am not interested in the WHY. And i think Many People , who
Suffered from any result of a terror action , might think your
compassion is uncalled for. I assume that you personanly were never
in such an event. I advice you to read a bit what is going on arounf
Paris , Brusseles and other European Big cities. Where `small scale `
terror is now arising ..

Nobody is a victim. *Things happen as a result of a cause. *Cause and
effect. *Ever hear of that scientific notion? *
Don`t `play` with words , Life isn`t a Chemistry or physics lab ,,
where one makes an experiment ... As much as we would love it ,
Historical [that affect our lifes] events aren`t Scientific
Experiments,,,,, Many people can vouch and give evidence , how their
lives turned and changed in a moment , with No reason at all ,= they
didn`t CAUSE anything , they Just happened to be at a certain spot ,
when something happened ...Thus you might say that they are /were
Victims of Circumstances !!!!!

Think whatever you want. *You didn't understand a word I said. *And
no, I don't care if you ever do agree or disagree. *Neither of those
have any bearing on who I am.
Of course i didn`t understand you , Compassion for terrorists , is
something i don`t understand . and don`t want to understand. I lost
some close friends to terrorists, My late mother lost all her family
to a terror regime. I don`t understand Compassion for any Evil . The
more i read and research i understand less. As i translate documents
related to `terror regime`. As i watch Tv and Listen to the kind of
speeches their Leaders Show on Tv , i don`t understand any person who
has compassion for those.
It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreing , it is a matter of
Standing up for LIFE ... [ aren`t you saying that this your aim as
well ?] and be against slaughtering Humans [ Shouldn`t you be against
Harming Any form of LIFE ???]

Take care.
Oh i take care and care ,,,, Every moment of my life !!!!
I hope that you too will learn to Care About others ,
mirjam

On Oct 7, 1:32*am, Jangchub wrote:
Mirjam, you seem to be extremely ignorant on most subjects and take
issue with just about everyone here, so I'll take what you say with a
grain of salt. *How do you know I didn't grow up with Buddhism in my
home? *Just because my grandmother was a Jew? *That's ridiculous.

By the way, you are from the middle eastern culture, not eastern.
Israel in in the middle east. *The place president Bush calls part of
the axis of evil, sans Israel, of course.

There is scientific evidence for each and every point I made. *It's so
unimportant to me if anyone believe as I do that for you to say it is
makes you pretty ignorant.

You know nothing of Buddhism if you could say I shouldn't have
compassion for the terrorists. *You didn't comment on WHY I said I had
it, rather you splurt out some drivel about me not being human. *Oy.

Nobody is a victim. *Things happen as a result of a cause. *Cause and
effect. *Ever hear of that scientific notion? *

Think whatever you want. *You didn't understand a word I said. *And
no, I don't care if you ever do agree or disagree. *Neither of those
have any bearing on who I am.

Take care.





On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:58:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Victoria ,
It's an expression, one you obviously never heard or understand the
meaning of. *Next.
If you want to impress somebody with your philosophy /religion, don`t
jump to underestimate that other person with assuming he /she Not
understanding you , And if you use that idiom as an example to your
mind , than i can go and use it a bit further ,,,,, for my answer ..
, nd is vast and spacious, potentially.
We sure hope that this is the case !!!!

I don't hope it's the case. *Science is showing it through the Mind
Science Conference. *There are ongoing studies with man disciplines in
the field of science. *At one time the scientific community said the
mind only have the ability to concentrate for six minutes. *When the
Dalai Lama heard this he told them it was not correct.
I am sorry , but i am not impressed with Religious or Philosophical
people`s ideas about the capabilities of Body functions.
*There can be
very long stretches of single pointed concentration for many hours,
days or months and they have been looking at the physical brain of
Since both of us , You and me aren`t Brain experts i don`t think we
should discuss , things we only read or heard from others ....
of the brain matter, far more than normal,
Are you a Brain expert ???? can you define Normal , for
concentration ???
*and the CT Scans are showing the brains of monks using 70%
Are you a Ct expert?
**What the scientific community cannot delineate is the
Can you give some of the names of those people ???? Please None of us
is a sceintist of that field , thus we can`t discuss this at all.
nothing to cognize. *In the bin if you don't accept this hypothesis.
????????????????????????????????
I am not dealing with hypothesis that aren`t my expertise.

You missed my entire point.
have it your way ,,, you will say i got your point only when i bow and
say you are right , ,
your above talk is not so different from other philosophies , esp OUR
EATSERN , of which my philosophy is one.
I didn't say it was. *I don't know many other cultures and I don't
consider Buddhism a religion. *We have no creator. *We have no central
god. *Buddism is science of the mind.
It is a pity you aren`t aware of what other Religions/Philosophies
teach or preach about . it would have made your choice a more .
understandable one , since you weren`t born into Budihism . People
should be more well read about their inherited cultures as well as
other cultures before taking on a new culture ... Telling me or
others , that We don`t understand what *you meant , and taht if we
Don`t accept your TRUTH ,,,,, than ..... is no better than any other
Missionary or Cult talk ....

When the jumbo jets flew into the Twin Towers the first people I had
compassion for were the terrorists. *
Well Victoria, i think that even your Leader never said such a
thing ,, If you can have ANY compassion for terrorists , than you
can`t be a Budihist ,,,, And to tell you the truth ANYONE who can feel
Any Compassion for any Twerrorist , Should LOOK DEEPLY into their own
soul... And see if YOUR KARMA is ok ???? MY compassion is for the
Victims , for their families , for the many people who lost
somebody .......
And obviously you don`t get it , that even thinking such a thing is
UNHUMAN ...

your questions, not forcing this on *you. *The subject is "Happiness
is" and I gave my answer. *So how long will you batter me on this?
NObody is battering you , i am curious , was curious , about this
unbelieable to me Naive ideas.

No, you injured heads had brains. *The mind is different. *If you
don't know about Buddhism how could you say what it is or isn't? *Is
The Dalai Lama lying when he tell us Buddhism isn't a religion? *Do
you have any idea what Buddhists do or how they do it?
Well i read enough and heard enough and i KNOW it is a religion ,,,

Again, your understanding of the English language and the idioms or
metaphors we use is poor at best.
Victoria , There is nothing wrong with my understanding , you use an
idiom , because that is the way They taught you to think about your
religion /philosophy , but repeating OLD idioms isn`t making your
religion truth , And when you use it [ not always correctly ] you
think it is ok , but when i show you that your own words can be used
to Not agree with you , you claim i don`t understand ,,,, Which is the
MOST COMMON way Cult believers, retreat to when the listener doesn`t
agree with them ...

Yes, and this is why I suggested you not take my word for it.
Why does every discussion with you have to have this IF sentences or
this BELIEVE ?DON`T BELIEVE Options ,, can`t people just ask
questions , without being offered to convert ....

And mine isn't? *I said we all have the potential for greatness. *What
part of that is disagreeing with what you just said?
The part where you claimed that HAPPINESS is something we all can make
ourselves Believe we feel !!!!!

So the Dharma is just a culture? *
You don`t want Me and others here , to call it a religion , so i call
it philosophy or Culture , to at least speak on the same line as you
want it..

What culture is the Kabalah? *
It isn`t a Culture , the mere question, shows lack of wider
background ,
are many practitioners in the US who study the Kabalah.
As i haven`t met those people i can`t tell you what Exactly they
study .. thus i can`t answer this. The whole phrasing is Foreign to
the meaning of this part of my culture.

*Does this
mean it's American culture? *
New Age is very American ,,,
mirjam

Victoria

"There are known knowns. These are things we
know that we know. There are known unknowns.
That is to say, there are things that we know
we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns.
There are things we don't know we don't know."

Donald Rumsfeld

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Ps .....
And Victoria ,
i completely forgot to thank you for calling me ignorant.
mirjam

On 10/6/08 11:11 PM, in article ,
"Jangchub" wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:20:42 -0400, "Dr. Brat"
wrote:

Jangchub wrote:
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:32:50 -0400, "Dr. Brat"
wrote:


I'm sorry that you don't think that being a Navy pilot and prisoner of
war is a real job, Victoria. You don't have to agree that the US should
have gone to war, but you could show a little more respect for the men
and women who risk their lives in the service of this country.

No, that isn't a regular job. It's a special job that people sign up
for and thank goodness they do. What I'm sick of is his stock answer
to all questions where he says, I was a POW, etc, etc,. We know.
There were thousands of POWs. There are still MIA's. Many thousands.
My point was not to diminish his military years, but to point out his
cushy life and how out of touch he is. He and Palin are wealthy and
don't need a penny. They are both millionaires and it gets me sick to
hear thata commando barbie saying she is joe main street. She is NOT
joe main street.

He comes from wealth, was always treated as the golden boy and never
had a job at the local grocery store as a checker for minimum wage.

If he never had a job at the grocery store, it's because he moved too
much. He attended over 20 schools as a kid. He does not come from
wealth, unless you consider a career military man's salary to be wealth.

His father was an Admiral. So was his grandfather.
Still not a way to make money - you might be comfortable, even very
comfortable. But that is it.

C

Jangchub wrote:

We rented a heartfelt movie over the weekend from Netflix called,
"Kite Runners," It was a period piece going back to the 70s and early
80s when Russia invaded Afghanistan. It portrayed the events of the
time. I cried my eyes out.



Then don't pick up his second book (something like "Thousand Splendid
Suns"). It's a real three-hanky piece. Affected me even more than Kite
Runners.


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f he never had a job at the grocery store, it's because he moved too
much. He attended over 20 schools as a kid. He does not come from
wealth, unless you consider a career military man's salary to be wealth.

His father was an Admiral. So was his grandfather.
Cheryl Isaak wrote:
Still not a way to make money - you might be comfortable, even very
comfortable. But that is it.

C

It is good to remember that Admirals come at the end of a long career of
military service; they start off in the lower ranks, which do NOT pay
much ( a lot more now than in those old days). Military folk move a lot,
are unable to invest in buying a house, because you lose money if you
sell in less than three years, so no home equity is built up. The kids
have to be pretty versatile, moving from school to school, state to
state and country to country. As soon as they are settled in, it is time
to move again. My daughter attended three High Schools in four years.

On the plus side, one gets a very broadened education, by way of life
experiences, and after retirement there is a pension ( calculated on the
payscale when you retired, *not* the current pay scale), and health care.

Financially, it is not a profitable way of life, but I certainly would
not have missed all the wonderful experiences I acquired as a military wife!

Gilll

lucretia borgia wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:25:05 GMT, Gill Murray
opined:



It is good to remember that Admirals come at the end of a long career of
military service; they start off in the lower ranks, which do NOT pay
much ( a lot more now than in those old days). Military folk move a lot,
are unable to invest in buying a house, because you lose money if you
sell in less than three years, so no home equity is built up. The kids
have to be pretty versatile, moving from school to school, state to
state and country to country. As soon as they are settled in, it is time
to move again. My daughter attended three High Schools in four years.

On the plus side, one gets a very broadened education, by way of life
experiences, and after retirement there is a pension ( calculated on the
payscale when you retired, *not* the current pay scale), and health care.

Financially, it is not a profitable way of life, but I certainly would
not have missed all the wonderful experiences I acquired as a military wife!

Gilll


This is true and you don't hold the record, our move to Canada was our
11th move in fourteen years. When a season changed, I automatically
packed that clothing so I would only have the current clothing to pack
when the inevitable pier head jump came lol

We were fortunate, really! We only had eight duty stations in 19 1/2 years.
Connecticut (2 yrs), Virginia (4 yrs), Florida (4 yrs), back to Virginia
(6 months), Scotland ( 3yrs), South Carolina (I yr), Spain (2 yrs),
Maryland (3 yrs until Paul's death

Jangchub wrote:

The situation in
Afghanistan is awful. I don't understand why we are not there in
heavy force to get rid of the Taliban.



Because if we had more forces in Afghanistan, the people would have
expected us to capture Bin Ladin by now. /sarcasm off

I fully expect that Bin Ladin will be announced to have been found a
week before the election in an attempt to sway votes.


Thankis for the head on "Thousand Splendid Sins." Is this written
after "Kite Runner?"


I don't know when it was written, only that it was published after KR.
It's not a continuation of the same family's story, just more on
day-to-day life in Afghanistan, with a different family.


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lucretia borgia wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:25:05 GMT, Gill Murray
opined:


It is good to remember that Admirals come at the end of a long career of
military service; they start off in the lower ranks, which do NOT pay
much ( a lot more now than in those old days). Military folk move a lot,
are unable to invest in buying a house, because you lose money if you
sell in less than three years, so no home equity is built up. The kids
have to be pretty versatile, moving from school to school, state to
state and country to country. As soon as they are settled in, it is time
to move again. My daughter attended three High Schools in four years.

On the plus side, one gets a very broadened education, by way of life
experiences, and after retirement there is a pension ( calculated on the
payscale when you retired, *not* the current pay scale), and health care.

Financially, it is not a profitable way of life, but I certainly would
not have missed all the wonderful experiences I acquired as a military wife!

Gilll

This is true and you don't hold the record, our move to Canada was our
11th move in fourteen years. When a season changed, I automatically
packed that clothing so I would only have the current clothing to pack
when the inevitable pier head jump came lol

I'm a navy brat and had 3 separate first grades and moved again that
summer. I was active duty Navy and saw 5 moves in 4 years. As a Navy
wife, we had 11 moves in ten years. In that short time I got a college
degree (BPS) and raised three children. My oldest is now active duty on
the USS Ronald Reagan and has been out to see since May and will not
return til mid November. I have supported and comforted his Japanese
wife and helped her with her trial by fire. It is not an easy life.

I have letters from My father written to my mother when he was stationed
in Antarctica and Viet Nam. I was Active Duty during the end of the
Viet Nam war and had patients still in recovery from the fire on the USS
Kennedy of that time. I saw things first hand. My father CHOOSE to go to
Viet Nam as a medic and these are things that one never forgets.

I have been at the bottom of the military pay scale and am still in
contact with friends whose parents were at higher scales. We all share a
sense of PRIDE that influences our every day choices.

Off of my soap box, Bobbie V.