Will I get to stitch today???

"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
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On 8/20/08 11:32 AM, in article
, "Lucille" lzoltynospam@now
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"Karen C in California" wrote in message
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lewmew wrote:

Ours starts tomorrow (earlier and earlier). I wish I could say we're
100% ready but the kids have hit the "I don't know what I need until I
get to class" stage. And by the time the teacher makes the decision,
the stuff is off sale (sigh).



They used to do that to us, too. First day of school was always marked
by
an afternoon trip to the store -- some teachers wanted bound
black-marble
composition books, others wanted spiral notebooks or looseleaf, and they
wanted them by tomorrow morning. Mom always muttered "what about the
working mothers who can't do this?" (I assume they bought one of each
in
advance and returned the unneeded ones.)

Around here, the teachers submit their lists to Admin, Admin transmits
them to the stores. Walk into OfficeMax (and I'm assuming the other
office supply stores, too), and there's a carousel with photocopies of
dozens of school shopping lists: you grab the one for your school and
your
grade, and it lists all the teachers' preferences, so you just have to
know if your kid has Mrs. Smith or Mrs. Jones.

--
Karen C - California
Editor/Proofreader www.IntlProofingConsortium.com


That's what they do here too, but the parents claim that something
essential
is always left off the list and requires a last minute run to the store.

Lucille


Or the teacher changes his/her mind about something?

Me - I'm still wondering why a particular/brand style pen is required,
instead of black fine line....

C

What do you suppose would happen to the kid who dared to be different?
Maybe that's part of the problem in our schools, they don't encourage
individuality.

On 8/20/08 1:01 PM, in article ,
"Lucille" lzoltynospam@now at comcast..net wrote:


"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
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On 8/20/08 11:32 AM, in article
, "Lucille" lzoltynospam@now
at
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"Karen C in California" wrote in message
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lewmew wrote:

Ours starts tomorrow (earlier and earlier). I wish I could say we're
100% ready but the kids have hit the "I don't know what I need until I
get to class" stage. And by the time the teacher makes the decision,
the stuff is off sale (sigh).



They used to do that to us, too. First day of school was always marked
by
an afternoon trip to the store -- some teachers wanted bound
black-marble
composition books, others wanted spiral notebooks or looseleaf, and they
wanted them by tomorrow morning. Mom always muttered "what about the
working mothers who can't do this?" (I assume they bought one of each
in
advance and returned the unneeded ones.)

Around here, the teachers submit their lists to Admin, Admin transmits
them to the stores. Walk into OfficeMax (and I'm assuming the other
office supply stores, too), and there's a carousel with photocopies of
dozens of school shopping lists: you grab the one for your school and
your
grade, and it lists all the teachers' preferences, so you just have to
know if your kid has Mrs. Smith or Mrs. Jones.

--
Karen C - California
Editor/Proofreader www.IntlProofingConsortium.com


That's what they do here too, but the parents claim that something
essential
is always left off the list and requires a last minute run to the store.

Lucille


Or the teacher changes his/her mind about something?

Me - I'm still wondering why a particular/brand style pen is required,
instead of black fine line....

C

What do you suppose would happen to the kid who dared to be different?
Maybe that's part of the problem in our schools, they don't encourage
individuality.





Don't get me started

On 8/20/08 1:29 PM, in article ,
"lucretia borgia" wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:52:36 -0400, Cheryl Isaak
opined:

Around here, the teachers submit their lists to Admin, Admin transmits
them to the stores. Walk into OfficeMax (and I'm assuming the other
office supply stores, too), and there's a carousel with photocopies of
dozens of school shopping lists: you grab the one for your school and
your grade, and it lists all the teachers' preferences, so you just have
to know if your kid has Mrs. Smith or Mrs. Jones.

But the list is at Office Max, not the local Staples or Wally World.....


C

That says to me that maybe they are hand in glove with whichever
supply place. Especially if they ask for specific felt pens etc.

Why "rolling ball gel pens"...

C

lucretia borgia wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:38:43 -0400, Cheryl Isaak
opined:

That says to me that maybe they are hand in glove with whichever
supply place. Especially if they ask for specific felt pens etc.
Why "rolling ball gel pens"...

C

Perhaps only available at one specific store ? I could see if for
instance Staples (just to pick a name) offered teachers, 'for every
kid who fills out your list here we will supply you with x number of
lists full for your class' but if teachers are getting kickbacks, I
would feel offended.

Kids today bash up against far too much commercialism, we don't need
it in connection with learning. These school supplies seem to be an
exercise in consumerism.

Can't speak for other areas, but if a particular
brand or type is specified for our school supplies, it's
for a reason. In some of the kindergarten classes supplies
are pooled, so they want everything to be the same so that
there aren't arguments over who gets which of the items.
Some are specific about crayons because the colors aren't
always true in some brands, so they specify a brand to make
sure that the assignments that say "color all the triangles
blue" come back with all the triangles looking blue. If they
specify a particular type of pen, it's because they had
bad experiences with some other sort of pen, and so on.
Most will say "marble composition books" and don't care
about color, unless there's some reason uniform colors are
needed. I think the only time we've had a particular color
specified was one where the composition books were used for
a collaborative project. The others didn't care what color.
Anyway, it may well be the case that some of these
are an excess of consumerism, but while I've heard plenty
of people complain at our school, I know from having talked
to the teachers that there's a reason for every requirement
on the list. One might argue about whether all the reasons
are sufficient justification, but there's a reason for each
decision and it's nothing to do with promoting particular
brands or stores. (And our school has supply lists in every
local store that sells a lot of school supplies that will
make the lists available--not all stores do.)

Best wishes,
Ericka

Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 8/20/08 12:01 PM, in article
, "lewmew"
wrote:


They have those lists here for elementary school and middle school.
JHS and up, it's wait until you get to class.

Many of the grade schools here discourage/forbid "special" notebooks
and folders and specifically say "4 plain pocket red folders" for much
the reason you cite - everything is thrown into a pool and used by
all. I agree teachers shouldn't have to spend out of their own
pockets, but sometimes some of the stuff is a bit ridiculous - one
year we were expected to provide two bottles of hand sanitizer. What
happened to soap and water?

Linda

Can't have bathroom monitors to remind the little darlings to wash their
hands.

More like not enough time to send every kid who needs to
wash his or her hands to the bathroom (with a partner), and
not enough time to stand and wait by the bathroom for everyone
to go in and wash hands before lunch. Too many kids in the hallways
and missing out on classwork, so they keep the hand sanitizer
in the room. (Not all classrooms have sinks.)

Best wishes,
Ericka

"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message
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Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 8/20/08 12:01 PM, in article
,
"lewmew"
wrote:


They have those lists here for elementary school and middle school.
JHS and up, it's wait until you get to class.

Many of the grade schools here discourage/forbid "special" notebooks
and folders and specifically say "4 plain pocket red folders" for much
the reason you cite - everything is thrown into a pool and used by
all. I agree teachers shouldn't have to spend out of their own
pockets, but sometimes some of the stuff is a bit ridiculous - one
year we were expected to provide two bottles of hand sanitizer. What
happened to soap and water?

Linda

Can't have bathroom monitors to remind the little darlings to wash their
hands.

More like not enough time to send every kid who needs to
wash his or her hands to the bathroom (with a partner), and
not enough time to stand and wait by the bathroom for everyone
to go in and wash hands before lunch. Too many kids in the hallways
and missing out on classwork, so they keep the hand sanitizer
in the room. (Not all classrooms have sinks.)

Best wishes,
Ericka


Gee, I wonder how I managed to grow up without hand sanitizers in the
classroom. I went to elementary school during WW2 and we had so many kids
in the class that we had to share desks and seats in many classes. My
husband, whose last name started with a Z, complained that all through his
early grades he often had no desk of his own and used to lean on the
radiator cover in some classrooms because they sat you in alphabetical
order.

I will venture a guess that we were encouraged to wash our hands in the
sinks in the bathrooms and we survived those germs without too much of a
problem.

How things change.

I'm not saying it's better or worse now, just different.

Lucille

I'm not sure if it still applies today but when I started at Grammar
School in 1955 it was compulsory to wear school uniform and the
"approved" uniform was only available from one particular shop. My
grandparents (who brought me up) bought the unique items - school badge
for blazer, school cap, school tie - from that shop but got everything
else - blazer, trousers, shirts in the same colour and the same style
(well, almost) - at another shop for about half the price.
--
Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney UK
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3b54af

"Karen C in California" wrote

Around here, the teachers submit their lists to Admin, Admin transmits
them to the stores. Walk into OfficeMax (and I'm assuming the other
office supply stores, too), and there's a carousel with photocopies of
dozens of school shopping lists: you grab the one for your school and your
grade, and it lists all the teachers' preferences, so you just have to
know if your kid has Mrs. Smith or Mrs. Jones.


At the bookstore, I had at least one mum suggest we need to stage a Back To
School Shopping Cocktail Night for her. This was prompted by my finding out
for her through our computer that the particular atlas her kid's teacher had
specified and which she had already been to 2 stores trying to find was out
of print. Perhaps the teacher had just been putting down the same thing for
years--but never bothered to check. I also had a mum shopping for books for
a University English class for her daughter, and again, 2 out of 3 were no
longer in print. These mums were both shopping with detailed lists from
specific teachers--

Dawne

"lucretia borgia" wrote
Those hand sanitizers and all those antibacterial wipes for counters are
landing us in a mess. What happened to having to eat a peck of dirt in
your lifetime ?

I don't disagree with you, and don't use antibacterial anything at home, but
I do use a hand sanitizer at work, since I have to use a public washroom,
use computer keyboards that dozens of people use daily, and sometimes handle
money. My difficulty is that many of the bathroom soaps irritate my skin
allergies, especially if I touch my face, so I use the gels. They are also
somewhat less drying than the annoying hot air blowers that so many
bathrooms have instead of paper towels.

Dawne

"Dawne Peterson" wrote in message
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"lucretia borgia" wrote
Those hand sanitizers and all those antibacterial wipes for counters are
landing us in a mess. What happened to having to eat a peck of dirt in
your lifetime ?

I don't disagree with you, and don't use antibacterial anything at home,
but I do use a hand sanitizer at work, since I have to use a public
washroom, use computer keyboards that dozens of people use daily, and
sometimes handle money. My difficulty is that many of the bathroom soaps
irritate my skin allergies, especially if I touch my face, so I use the
gels. They are also somewhat less drying than the annoying hot air
blowers that so many bathrooms have instead of paper towels.

Dawne

I use the hand sanitizers too. As a matter of fact I keep one in my car but
more for convenience then for being germ free.

Being germ free has caused more problems then being dirty because today's
kids don't build up a healthy immunity to what should be everyday, non
dangerous germs.

L