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Old March 28th 05, 01:40 PM
Bubbles
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Hi everyone!

After 2 months of stress and aching muscles, we have finally moved into our
house. In the basement, I have my own room for pottery! YAY!!!

There is a kitchen counter there with a kitchen sink. It would be great if I
could do something so that I can use the sink to wash stuff, without
clogging my pipes! We were thinking of buying some huge plastic paint
buckets (10 or 20 liters) and connecting them with bits of hose, so that
they would become sedimentation chambers in the counter under the sink. The
reason for such small containers is that then I will be able to take them
out and dump them in the garden when they are full of sediment.

Someone also mentioned simply using a huge container and then dumping that
in the garden when it gets gucky.

Elsewhere, someone wrote about a French drain. I did a web search, but I am
not able to see how this is practical for rinsing stuff that is full of
clay. Another thing is, would it be an idea to fill at least one of my
buckets with stones, in order to slow the sediments?

Ideas and experiences would be very much appreciated!

Marianne in Switzerland


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Old March 30th 05, 05:23 PM
Brad Sondahl
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Bubbles wrote:
Hi everyone!

After 2 months of stress and aching muscles, we have finally moved into our
house. In the basement, I have my own room for pottery! YAY!!!

There is a kitchen counter there with a kitchen sink. It would be great if I
could do something so that I can use the sink to wash stuff, without
clogging my pipes! We were thinking of buying some huge plastic paint
buckets (10 or 20 liters) and connecting them with bits of hose, so that
they would become sedimentation chambers in the counter under the sink. The
reason for such small containers is that then I will be able to take them
out and dump them in the garden when they are full of sediment.

Someone also mentioned simply using a huge container and then dumping that
in the garden when it gets gucky.

Elsewhere, someone wrote about a French drain. I did a web search, but I am
not able to see how this is practical for rinsing stuff that is full of
clay. Another thing is, would it be an idea to fill at least one of my
buckets with stones, in order to slow the sediments?

Ideas and experiences would be very much appreciated!

Marianne in Switzerland


Two sedimentation buckets is a good idea, although clay remains
suspended fairly easily and will certainly migrate into the second
bucket, though hopefully not in quantity.
The simple way that I handle this is to just wash anything clay or glaze
covered in a dedicated bucket of water (with sediment settling in the
bottom), and only use the sink to do a final washing (in fact I don't
have a sink in my workshop, to avoid the temptation to use it and gluck
it up). When the bucket gets full of sediment (a couple times per
year), I stir it up with a glaze stirrer and dump it. I agree that the
sediment can usually be safely dumped in the garden, unless you use
toxic glaze chemicals. (I try to keep all my scrap glazes for reuse,
but some glaze from the tools and surfaces inevitably will end up in the
glop bucket. The safer alternative to just dumping the container in
your bushes is to decant the excess water off the top, and pour the glop
into containers for landfill disposal.

Brad Sondahl

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Old March 30th 05, 06:54 PM
Steve Mills
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If you are interested I've got some drawings I give to customers on
making a simple sludge trap using a storage box and a bucket and bits of
plastic plumbing; dead easy, dirt cheap and it works very well.
Email if you want them.
Don't forget to do what it says in my email address:-)

Steve
Bath
UK


In article , Bubbles
writes
Hi everyone!

After 2 months of stress and aching muscles, we have finally moved into our
house. In the basement, I have my own room for pottery! YAY!!!

There is a kitchen counter there with a kitchen sink. It would be great if I
could do something so that I can use the sink to wash stuff, without
clogging my pipes! We were thinking of buying some huge plastic paint
buckets (10 or 20 liters) and connecting them with bits of hose, so that
they would become sedimentation chambers in the counter under the sink. The
reason for such small containers is that then I will be able to take them
out and dump them in the garden when they are full of sediment.

Someone also mentioned simply using a huge container and then dumping that
in the garden when it gets gucky.

Elsewhere, someone wrote about a French drain. I did a web search, but I am
not able to see how this is practical for rinsing stuff that is full of
clay. Another thing is, would it be an idea to fill at least one of my
buckets with stones, in order to slow the sediments?

Ideas and experiences would be very much appreciated!

Marianne in Switzerland



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Bath
UK
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Old March 30th 05, 10:16 PM
DKat
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I forwarded those on to her via email. She declared you a genius by the by.

"Steve Mills" wrote in message
...
If you are interested I've got some drawings I give to customers on
making a simple sludge trap using a storage box and a bucket and bits of
plastic plumbing; dead easy, dirt cheap and it works very well.
Email if you want them.
Don't forget to do what it says in my email address:-)

Steve
Bath
UK


In article , Bubbles
writes
Hi everyone!

After 2 months of stress and aching muscles, we have finally moved into
our
house. In the basement, I have my own room for pottery! YAY!!!

There is a kitchen counter there with a kitchen sink. It would be great if
I
could do something so that I can use the sink to wash stuff, without
clogging my pipes! We were thinking of buying some huge plastic paint
buckets (10 or 20 liters) and connecting them with bits of hose, so that
they would become sedimentation chambers in the counter under the sink.
The
reason for such small containers is that then I will be able to take them
out and dump them in the garden when they are full of sediment.

Someone also mentioned simply using a huge container and then dumping that
in the garden when it gets gucky.

Elsewhere, someone wrote about a French drain. I did a web search, but I
am
not able to see how this is practical for rinsing stuff that is full of
clay. Another thing is, would it be an idea to fill at least one of my
buckets with stones, in order to slow the sediments?

Ideas and experiences would be very much appreciated!

Marianne in Switzerland



--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK



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Old March 31st 05, 02:47 AM
Bubbles
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"Steve Mills" wrote in message
...
If you are interested I've got some drawings I give to customers on
making a simple sludge trap using a storage box and a bucket and bits of
plastic plumbing; dead easy, dirt cheap and it works very well.
Email if you want them.
Don't forget to do what it says in my email address:-)


Hi Steve!

As Dkat says, I already have those drawings - and I MEANT to cc the
genius-mail to you too, but forgot!

Thanks for the good drawings - that puts me on the right path!

I THINK that what I will probably do is to totally avoid toxins and then to
have one place to clean stuff and dump the sediment out in a hidden place in
the garden - and then use the sink only to get water and do the final fine
rinse of my tools etc. I should put in a trap in any case, just to be on the
safe side. I think it is better, though, to dump the big bucket with lots of
gudge in it often, then to have to disassemble the under-sink trap more than
a couple of times a year.

Am I on the right track?

Marianne


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Old March 31st 05, 03:30 AM
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i caution dumping the waste in the garden. while i like composting,
and dump odd stuff in the garden myself, be aware that some of the
glaze materials might not be good for foods like tomatoes, peppers,
etc.

a friend of mine who works for the los angeles water & power tested
tomatoes grown from their waste center. people always think that foods
like tomatoes screen out bad chemicals as part of the growing process.
it's not uncommon in much of USA to see "wild" tomatoes growing on the
side of roadways placed there from waste material used to fill in
trenches. i know people who like to pick these tomatoes as free-fresh
food. the do taste great!

the department of water & power found that since these tomatoes seeds
(not digested in humans) grew. they also grew in frequently lead laced
material. the tomatoes contained a high percent of this lead.

now while you may not use lead, i don't know what *excess* copper,
cobalt, iron, rutile, etc glaze material would do to us. i'm sure the
tomatoes would pass this on to us.

point is if you dump it, don't eat it later. or at least check with
specialist of the affect from these materials. i found that dolomite
is a great additive to insure good calcium is in the soil - aids in not
having fruit fall off early. (university of florida's agricultural
website)

i suspect flowers on the other hand would flourish very well!

see ya

steve

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Old March 31st 05, 03:46 AM
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"Bubbles" wrote in message
...

"Steve Mills" wrote in message
...
If you are interested I've got some drawings I give to customers on
making a simple sludge trap using a storage box and a bucket and bits of
plastic plumbing; dead easy, dirt cheap and it works very well.
Email if you want them.
Don't forget to do what it says in my email address:-)


Hi Steve!

As Dkat says, I already have those drawings - and I MEANT to cc the
genius-mail to you too, but forgot!

Thanks for the good drawings - that puts me on the right path!

I THINK that what I will probably do is to totally avoid toxins and then

to
have one place to clean stuff and dump the sediment out in a hidden place

in
the garden - and then use the sink only to get water and do the final fine
rinse of my tools etc. I should put in a trap in any case, just to be on

the
safe side. I think it is better, though, to dump the big bucket with lots

of
gudge in it often, then to have to disassemble the under-sink trap more

than
a couple of times a year.

Am I on the right track?

Marianne


I actually get very little gunk in my water bucket (a five gallon plastic
ex-pickle bucket). When I throw I use the generated slip for throwing and I
keep a small plaster board next to my wheel that I drop excess slip and any
clay I trim from the pot when throwing. This is easy to recycle. I keep
multiple buckets as well. When the clay settles to the bottom of one I
scoop the clean water from that bucket into another empty or clean bucket.
What is left in the bucket is easy to cart up to the garden or can be
recycled (dump it onto a large plaster board or keep a 'goop' bucket that
the water can evaporate out of).


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Old March 31st 05, 04:01 AM
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wrote in message
oups.com...
i caution dumping the waste in the garden. while i like composting,
and dump odd stuff in the garden myself, be aware that some of the
glaze materials might not be good for foods like tomatoes, peppers,
etc.

a friend of mine who works for the los angeles water & power tested
tomatoes grown from their waste center. people always think that foods
like tomatoes screen out bad chemicals as part of the growing process.
it's not uncommon in much of USA to see "wild" tomatoes growing on the
side of roadways placed there from waste material used to fill in
trenches. i know people who like to pick these tomatoes as free-fresh
food. the do taste great!

the department of water & power found that since these tomatoes seeds
(not digested in humans) grew. they also grew in frequently lead laced
material. the tomatoes contained a high percent of this lead.

now while you may not use lead, i don't know what *excess* copper,
cobalt, iron, rutile, etc glaze material would do to us. i'm sure the
tomatoes would pass this on to us.

point is if you dump it, don't eat it later. or at least check with
specialist of the affect from these materials. i found that dolomite
is a great additive to insure good calcium is in the soil - aids in not
having fruit fall off early. (university of florida's agricultural
website)

i suspect flowers on the other hand would flourish very well!

see ya

steve

I do glaze clean up in a different bucket from my clay work but follow a
similar procedure. After settling overnight or more I scoop up the clean
water into the next work bucket. The gunk goes into a flat tray for the
water to evaporate and put into the trash (I don't use toxic materials).
And yes I have lots of 5 gallon buckets (I've done lots of sheetrocking).


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Old March 31st 05, 08:51 PM
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i don't have running water in my workshop - but a garden hose outside a
ways.

i use just water buckets. which works very well for throwing & minimal
wash up.

for glazing i rinse off at the garden hose (by the flowers, not the
veggies).

meanwhile i suspose a dedicated bucket for rinsing off glaze might
accidently be creating a cool glaze?

just a thought.

see ya

steve


dkat wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
i caution dumping the waste in the garden. while i like

composting,
and dump odd stuff in the garden myself, be aware that some of the
glaze materials might not be good for foods like tomatoes, peppers,
etc.

a friend of mine who works for the los angeles water & power tested
tomatoes grown from their waste center. people always think that

foods
like tomatoes screen out bad chemicals as part of the growing

process.
it's not uncommon in much of USA to see "wild" tomatoes growing on

the
side of roadways placed there from waste material used to fill in
trenches. i know people who like to pick these tomatoes as

free-fresh
food. the do taste great!

the department of water & power found that since these tomatoes

seeds
(not digested in humans) grew. they also grew in frequently lead

laced
material. the tomatoes contained a high percent of this lead.

now while you may not use lead, i don't know what *excess* copper,
cobalt, iron, rutile, etc glaze material would do to us. i'm sure

the
tomatoes would pass this on to us.

point is if you dump it, don't eat it later. or at least check

with
specialist of the affect from these materials. i found that

dolomite
is a great additive to insure good calcium is in the soil - aids in

not
having fruit fall off early. (university of florida's agricultural
website)

i suspect flowers on the other hand would flourish very well!

see ya

steve

I do glaze clean up in a different bucket from my clay work but

follow a
similar procedure. After settling overnight or more I scoop up the

clean
water into the next work bucket. The gunk goes into a flat tray for

the
water to evaporate and put into the trash (I don't use toxic

materials).
And yes I have lots of 5 gallon buckets (I've done lots of

sheetrocking).

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Old March 31st 05, 11:42 PM
Steve Mills
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Thanks for the complements; as an inveterate do-it-yourselfer, like most
of us, promoting easy fixes is a pleasure.

Mine is mounted so that it sticks out to one side, consequently I can
get at it easily to clear it out (why make life any more difficult than
it already is!).

Steve
Bath
UK


In article , Bubbles
writes

"Steve Mills" wrote in message
...
If you are interested I've got some drawings I give to customers on
making a simple sludge trap using a storage box and a bucket and bits of
plastic plumbing; dead easy, dirt cheap and it works very well.
Email if you want them.
Don't forget to do what it says in my email address:-)


Hi Steve!

As Dkat says, I already have those drawings - and I MEANT to cc the
genius-mail to you too, but forgot!

Thanks for the good drawings - that puts me on the right path!

I THINK that what I will probably do is to totally avoid toxins and then to
have one place to clean stuff and dump the sediment out in a hidden place in
the garden - and then use the sink only to get water and do the final fine
rinse of my tools etc. I should put in a trap in any case, just to be on the
safe side. I think it is better, though, to dump the big bucket with lots of
gudge in it often, then to have to disassemble the under-sink trap more than
a couple of times a year.

Am I on the right track?

Marianne



--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
 




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