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In article , Cheryl Isaak
writes: "teacher" colleges Art teachers Music teachers Drama teachers I know my friends who were majoring in Education had to put together various entertaining programs -- I spent an afternoon helping move a rocket through a galaxy of snack-size Milky Way bars for a stop-action animation film (and once we were sure the film came out, the helpers got to eat the props!VBG) We taught "through", "over", "under", "in front", "behind". So, even the teacher college may have something of interest, if you can get invited to the sessions where these audio-visual aids are demonstrated. -- Finished 12/14/03 -- Mermaid (Dimensions) WIP: Angel of Autumn, Calif Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe, Guide the Hands (2d one) Paralegal - Writer - Editor - Researcher http://hometown.aol.com/kmc528/KMC.html |
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On 1/15/04 7:00 PM, in article ,
"Dianne Lewandowski" wrote: Cheryl Isaak wrote: Yes, but I can say NO, I don't want my child to attend that program or can pull him/her out of class if the discussion is something I don't agree with. The role of public education is to provide the basics - reading, writing, math, civics, history, science. Not to promote Scientology, Creationism or fringe topics. And certainly not moral values. It is my responsibility to educate my children on religious and moral issues - I don't want some one else to do that or taking away my right to do so. And certain issues don't belong in school. And you think visits to a football field are a necessary part of education? Have you ever checked to see what goes on at this trip? What do they do? Go kiss the ground and leave again? I can't imagine the teachers would put up with it. Where did the conversation on morals and religion enter my discussion? I certainly never brought it up. Sorry that part was uncalled for on my part, but, so is insisting only high brow culture to be taught. I agree with you in your above statements. But culture shouldn't be absent from school . . . it is a part of our "humanities". I'm not an opera fan. I've tried. But I have enjoyed immensely some "lighter" operas, and many *heavy* arias. If you don't open up a child's ear, you lose him forever. These are things that a child has to be surrounded with from birth. You don't wake up at 16 and decide you like Picasso. So get involved again! You are irritating the heck out of me. I TRIED to get involved. For eight years we BOTH tried valiently. It almost killed us emotionally. This is a small, backward town. We are outsiders. And I think if I hear one more time: "then move" I may just lose it. Then you tried - now forget about it. Find another way you can make a difference. Remember, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Or to put it another way, the village can say no, we don't have need of your skill. What you have to do is stop thinking about YOUR situation and understand that not everywhere in the U.S. is the same. I read your entire post. I've answered it above. I disagree with you. Your circumstances are different than mine. And I think there is more in common than you are willing to see. We're using tax dollars for the internet at the kindergarten level, not to buy basic supplies. Your town uses those dollars for something else. We have kids that aren't learning to read, just like you. We have a drug problem too. While we're at it: If you don't think it takes a village, and if you don't think I should have any input, then maybe you don't want my tax dollars, either. Actually I don't. I'd prefer to fund schools on a local level. Period, end of story, no entitlements, no Title One funds, nada. I may be dreaming, but I think there are too many government mandates, the kind of thing that says teach what I want the way I say or you don't get the green backs. No, I said, a child won't see past the pretty picture, the nude lady or the strange language. And a slide show from a visiting lecturer is more likely do some good than trip to a museum. After all, you are looking for appreciation not confusion and distaste. You You have a very narrow view, I'm afraid. No - time in a class room and with a large range of kids. You are out of touch with all but the narrow range who folks want them to have piano lessons. And sport is part of the broad spectrum of culture; you just consider it beneath you. No, I don't. Funny that is how you are coming off. I figure if the trip to sports venue sparks something - any thing else in one kid that would not of other wise been sparked the trip is worthwhile. I can see some little kid getting really psyched over the huge fans the move the air just as much as getting to walk where their hero plays. You've sparked an engineer or a scientist. Some kid that gets to play the organ might get interested in music. Liberal? No. Centrist, Yes. Basic education? Absolutely. Including the basics of art, literature, music. A modicum of sports presented in a healthy, team-spirited intent. NO, literacy, basic math, science, civics, physical education (like real exercise) first, art, literature, music, second and only after mastery of the basics. Sports don't belong in the education system. School sports breeds corruption of the education system. Team sports belong to another sphere. Cheryl |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:00:39 -0600, Dianne Lewandowski
wrote: I agree with you in your above statements. But culture shouldn't be absent from school . . . it is a part of our "humanities". I'm not an opera fan. I've tried. But I have enjoyed immensely some "lighter" operas, and many *heavy* arias. If you don't open up a child's ear, you lose him forever. These are things that a child has to be surrounded with from birth. You don't wake up at 16 and decide you like Picasso. Hmm....now IMHO it's the parents who should be exposing the children to what they feel the children need. I would not be taking my kids to any operas nor would I be taking them to a museum. We don't have operas in our city and the museum...well, it's okay I suppose, and yes, they have visited that with their school. While we're at it: If you don't think it takes a village, and if you don't think I should have any input, then maybe you don't want my tax dollars, either. Ackkkk....I was waiting for this to come up. I hear this cry often in our city The seniors don't want to contribute to the education system, but they want us 'under 65's' to put lots of money into the health care system they use so much. The only diamond I have is my mother's and grandmother's put into one ring. I don't wear designer anything because I refuse to advertise for them. Who in their right mind wants "Gucci" printed all over their evening wear? What does Gucci have to do with diamonds? I don't 'get' that part Liberal? No. Centrist, Yes. Basic education? Absolutely. Including the basics of art, literature, music. A modicum of sports presented in a healthy, team-spirited intent. Dianne Dianne, there is no doubt you have very strong feelings about the arts, not all of us do. I don't care if my kids ever go to an opera or read Shakespeare or see a Picasso. I was quite taken aback at the book my son's English Instructor chose for them to read in English 116 at college. I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's called "A Handmaids Tale", Why would any English teacher assign a book that is so geared to women is beyond me. What a great way to turn off guys to literature. take care. Linda Vancouver Island, bc.ca (remove 'nospam' to reply) See samples of my work at: www.members.shaw.ca/deugau |
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Thebest way I've found to enjoy opera is with my hearing aid OFF. LOLOL
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Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply wrote:
Message for animaux From: Cheryl Isaak .... But I will continue to skip the opera - those poor singers can sound like they are in such pain. LOL I am not "into" what I call heavy opera -- Wagner and such. I DO like light opera -- Gilbert & Sullivan for instance and just about any type of choral (sp?) programmes. I'm not sure if my dislike of "heavy opera" is because I don't understand it (language barriers and all that) or just because it sounds so melodramatic. then again, I have never attended any "heavy opera" performances and that might have something to do with it. I should imagine if you can *see* what is going on during the performanc, it would make it more easily understood and hence be more enjoyable. Opera tends to be an acquired taste. It's hard to appreciate opera without doing your homework so that you understand the story and something about the music itself. It is *much* easier to understand it if you see the opera in person. If you do it a few times, you'll start seeing it in a whole new light. The music isn't as melodramatic as it might seem from the "outside." Best wishes, Ericka |
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On 1/15/04 7:16 PM, in article ,
"Karen C - California" wrote: In article , ekoluvr (Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply ) writes: Of course, ANY Bugs Bunny or Daffy performance that includes "heavy opera" IS imminently enjoyable and quite acceptable to my way of thinking :-)))! Getcher butt out here! At this time of year, with all the rain and dark days, Looney Tunes Musical Masterpieces is a frequent visitor to the VCR! Weeeeeetuwwwwn my wuvvvvv! I'll have to find that one - I have a Tex Avery tape that I adore! For a fun experience with heavy opera, get The Anna Russell Album. She hits the highlights of The Ring Cycle in 18 minutes, concluding high pitched, nasal voice, British accent "And here you ahhhh, twennnnty-threee aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhrrrs later, RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED!!!!" Thereupon, you play your serious Ring Cycle CD, and ROFLMAOWTIMEWPIMP because you can't hear the music without thinking of how she skewered it! I've heard of it, wonder if it is at the library. (I'll have to have Mom try to track down MY version of the Ring, including a bunch of mermaids singing "My beer is Rheingold, the dry beer" and one of the lovesick wailing "Since my baby left me, I found a new place to dwell, it's down the end of Lonely Street, the Heartbreak Hotel", while the guy fashioning the magic ring sings "Take a ring, and add another ring, and add another ring, and now you've got three rings, Ballantyne!". Hey -- it's a German opera, and what's more German than beer?) Oh, Bwunnhiwwwde, you're so wuvwy! Yes, I know it, I cahn't help it! Spew! Cheryl |
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On 1/15/04 9:46 PM, in article ,
"Karen C - California" wrote: In article , (Texasxsgal1) writes: Thebest way I've found to enjoy opera is with my hearing aid OFF. Hmmmm, my friend says that's the best way to listen to her son's favorite radio station. And spew again. I am SO lucky that DS isn't into rap or the other cr*p! Cheryl |
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