so what do you think of the price of gas in the US ?

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:40:55 -0400, " Moonraker"
wrote:


"michele" wrote in message
...
. Transportation will not come to a
screeching halt because gas hits 10/gallon, we just won't be able to
afford to eat. can you spell depression?

Exactly. And when the Western world finally comes to its' senses and
realizes that the Middle Eastern jihadists are going to subdue us not by
force, but by economic slavery, then, and only then will the tree-hugging
alarmists like AlGore be exposed for the charlatans they are. I read a few
days ago that there are shale oil reserves under the Dakotas and Montana
that are as big as the Middle East's. And the reserves in ANWAR exceed all
that. But, by God, we can't begin to think about displacing a damn moose in
favor of drilling for oil. ****ing environmental wackos.

Increasing prices are not a result of decreasing availability of crude oil.
Rather an artifical limitation of supply by a bunch of ragheads. Their
increased profit=our increased costs to live=a
recession/depression=political upheaval in the US=the liklihood of electing
POTUS who is sympathetic toward the jihadists. I think it's interesting to
note that the spot price of crude on the world market began to go crazy just
about the same time that a politician named B Hussein Obama became a (scary)
possibility to be POTUS.

I promise you that beginning serious exploration and production of US oil
will drive down and stabilize the world supply. Don't even have to produce
the first barrel of crude, just the threat of it will probably suffice.


Oh, no - somebody else has what we want, and now we have to pay their
price! That's never happened before.

It's sorta how capitalism works, when the namby-pamby socialists don't
interfere...

Joe (ducking for cover)

On Apr 23, 5:16 am, "David K"
wrote:
michele wrote:
anything to generate some chatter, y'all are getting boring.... -- m

Not sure what price you're paying for a gallon of gas but here in the UK
we're looking at

£1.11 per litre
or
£5.55 per gallon
or
$11 per gallon

Diesel fuel is more expensive again.
This breakdown of the price of petrol is based on the assumption of £5
(approx $10) per gallon so it's a bit out of date:

a.. Petrol Fuel Duty - £2.40 ($4.80)

b.. VAT (17.5%) - £0.75 ($1.50)

c.. Refinery Petrol Costs - £1.59 ($3.17)

d.. Forecourt Costs - £0.15 ($0.30)

e.. Forecourt Profit - £0.10 ($0.20)
I take on board what Dennis says about the price of gas keeping vehicles of
the road and you would think it makes sense however I'm not sure it works.

It certainly doesn't here in the UK where the 'car is king' mindset
prevails.

David

--
==========================
David Kelso
Crystal Clear Glass Engravers
t/f 028 9032 9655
m: 07733 128216
e:
w:www.crystal-engravers.com
==========================

It does work. It just doesn't start working immediately. People are
driving less. Any community that relies on tourism is complaining
loud and long about the drop in visitors. People are trading in their
monster gas guzzlers for more fuel efficient vehicles. Prices on
SUV's have dived to where you can buy new ones at employee prices for
0% down and 0% financing for 72 months. Used ones are being dumped at
outrageously low prices. There's a waiting list for hybrids and fuel
efficient vehicles like the Mercedes "Smart" (which the Americans have
just now discovered). More people are looking at (and buying)
electrics). .

The change in driving habits is happening - slowly but steadily.
It'll accelerate as fuel prices continue to increase and an increasing
number of communities invest in improved public transit. The first
to be seriously hit will be the airlines and truckers. Fewer people
will be flying and fewer goods will be shipped great distance.

The $11 per gallon price has much less effect in Brit than here
because the distances travelled are radically less. Get the price in
the US up to $8 per gallon and you'll see a dramatic reduction in
miles driven and size of vehicle used.

On Apr 22, 7:50*pm, "Javahut" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Apr 22, 4:45 pm, "michele" wrote:
anything to generate some chatter, y'all are getting boring.... -- *m

I think the price is too low and will have to rise considerably before
it forces enough vehicles off the road to make enough of the needed
environmental improvements. *Fortunately for the environment, that
needed rise is coming in steady increments.

ANother ****ing brain fart from an absolute idiot.

Way to liven **** up Danus, I knew you couldn't keep your pie hole shut for
long,

You anti-american peter breath dip ****. go create more of those fictioinal
basement bandits will ya, solder em al together with your turbo iron.

Ahahahah...

You ****ing Fat slob bitch....lol

Know ****ing clue that Oil isn't your birthright eh ? Just like
Baseball ! Perhaps one day you'll wake up wondering what the hell
happened
to all the money you have and why all of a sudden it's worth exacty
"Sweet ****ing Tweet". Yeah, you'll be looking for answers and your
local politician won't have an answer cause' he just as ****ing brain-
dead as you are......

As far as Oil is concerned, you don't have ANY... and your dollar is
soon to be your currency only. The new FIAT dollar is going to be the
Euro or similar and you'll be riding ****ing gators back and forth to
the Kin Folks place....So Saddle up Beeeetach !

/MM

On Apr 23, 7:40*am, " Moonraker" wrote:
"michele" wrote in message

...
. Transportation will not come to a

screeching halt *because gas hits 10/gallon, we just won't be able to
afford to eat. can you spell depression?

Exactly. *And when the Western world finally comes to its' senses and
realizes that the Middle Eastern jihadists are going to subdue us not by
force, but by economic slavery, then, and only then will the tree-hugging
alarmists like AlGore be exposed for the charlatans they are. *I read a few
days ago that there are shale oil reserves under the Dakotas and Montana
that are as big as the Middle East's. *And the reserves in ANWAR exceed all
that. *But, by God, we can't begin to think about displacing a damn moose in
favor of drilling for oil. *****ing environmental wackos.

Increasing prices are not a result of decreasing availability of crude oil..
Rather an artifical limitation of supply by a bunch of ragheads. *Their
increased profit=our increased costs to live=a
recession/depression=political upheaval in the US=the liklihood of electing
POTUS who is sympathetic toward the jihadists. *I think it's interesting to
note that the spot price of crude on the world market began to go crazy just
about the same time that a politician named B Hussein Obama became a (scary)
possibility to be POTUS.

I promise you that beginning serious exploration and production of US oil
will drive down and stabilize the world supply. *Don't even have to produce
the first barrel of crude, *just the threat of it will probably suffice.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH..

Dude you gotta stop reading ! At least what ever propaganda's being
fed to ya !

I'm in the Oil business (hence my location) and let me tell you about
'Your Shale'.... You ain't getting **** all out of shale, this month,
this year or this century. If shale was viable, your Psychotic
Administration would be pumping it like Javaslut does his sister....

Let me be clear.... There is NO OIL IN SHALE (and the 'Shale' mostly
isn't shale anyway) it's a rock called "Marl", have you got that ?
The ****, and I do mean ****, is the Organic Carbon Compounds. On
such substance is called "Kerogen" which can produce a 'transportation
fuel' once it has been "Retorted" and THEN refined. And not just any
refiniery either,.... You better have a BP or SHELL plant on Steroids
for this NASTY ass ****. Also don't forget that the process leaves
MASSIVELY inflated "Carcinogenic Rock" (ie. WAY MORE THAN WHAT YOU
STARTED WITH) and byproducts that make Chinese factories look like
Disneyland. Oh, did I forget to mention that you NEED about 3 barrels
of WATER for every barrel of "Shale Oil" ? Who the hell is gonna give
you that kind of water in those "ALLREADY WATER SENSITIVE REGIONS" ?
Who's gonna supply the Gas to heat TENS of TRILLIONS of METERS of ROCK
to 700 degrees Celcius for the "Retorting" ? What are you going to do
with the newly expanded Carcinogenic Rock now ? How about the
Monstrous amount of Greenhouse gasses, Pollution and Carcinogen's ?

No, Shale Oil isn't going to save ANYONE. Christ it would be cheaper
to invade a Middle East Country and Steal their Oil instead !!
Oh...wait a minute...

Do some DD before you open your yap ya moron.


/MM

On Apr 23, 9:51*am, Chemo the Clown wrote:
On Apr 23, 5:28*am, "michele" wrote:





locally, we're at about 3.45 /gallon but i know it's higher most other
states. Ga is probably 3.65 *and Ft Lauderdale and Naples both report in at
3.79 last i heard. and you are right. Transportation will not come to a
screeching halt *because gas hits 10/gallon, we just won't be able to afford
to eat. can you spell depression? even hydro cars (which i think the only
plausible solution) will not have the power to replace gas/diesel engines
used for transport. at least not anytime soon. m"David K" wrote in message

news:n8Sdnco7tfk8tZLVnZ2dnUVZ8uqdnZ2d@plusnet.. .

michele wrote:
anything to generate some chatter, y'all are getting boring.... -- *m

Not sure what price you're paying for a gallon of gas but here in the UK
we're looking at

£1.11 per litre
or
£5.55 per gallon
or
$11 per gallon

Diesel fuel is more expensive again.
This breakdown of the price of petrol is based on the assumption of £5
(approx $10) per gallon so it's a bit out of date:

*a.. Petrol Fuel Duty - £2.40 ($4.80)

*b.. VAT (17.5%) - £0.75 ($1.50)

*c.. Refinery Petrol Costs - £1.59 ($3.17)

*d.. Forecourt Costs - £0.15 ($0.30)

*e.. Forecourt Profit - £0.10 ($0.20)
I take on board what Dennis says about the price of gas keeping vehicles
of the road and you would think it makes sense however I'm not sure it
works.

It certainly doesn't here in the UK where the 'car is king' mindset
prevails.

David

--
==========================
David Kelso
Crystal Clear Glass Engravers
t/f 028 9032 9655
m: 07733 128216
e:
w:www.crystal-engravers.com
==========================- Hide quoted text -

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There is no depression...other than the media making us believe there
is. There's plenty of oil. Speculators are driving the price. It's all
a domino effect and it ain't gonna get better. It'll all level out but
you'll never see $2 gas or $2 milk. That's the way it is, folks!- Hide quoted text -

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You're so Dumb you're adorable !

On Apr 23, 12:07*am, nJb wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:27:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:50 pm, "Javahut" wrote:
wrote in message

....

On Apr 22, 4:45 pm, "michele" wrote:
anything to generate some chatter, y'all are getting boring.... -- *m

I think the price is too low and will have to rise considerably before
it forces enough vehicles off the road to make enough of the needed
environmental improvements. *Fortunately for the environment, that
needed rise is coming in steady increments.

ANother ****ing brain fart from an absolute idiot.

Way to liven **** up Danus, I knew you couldn't keep your pie hole shut for
long,

You anti-american peter breath dip ****. go create more of those fictioinal
basement bandits will ya, solder em al together with your turbo iron.

Those steadily rising prices received for shipping Canadian oil
southbound are also steadily increasing funding to Canada's
magnificent health care system.

Right. Most of it is already owned by foreign companies, mostly US
based. The main reason Chevron bought Gulf Oil in 1984 was to aquire
Gulf's large Canadian oil fields.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign...nies_of_Canada

Jack- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My God, you too are an Idiot.....

So they hold a 69% share in Imperial Oil..... Big Friggin' deal !
They are the largest COMPANY in the world and yet STILL ranked 14th in
held Gas and Oil reserves. Just as it is in every other country, no
foreign entity is allowed to own more than "X" amount of any
substantial Oil reserve. Do you even know where the OIl Sands are ?
Do you have any idea how much foreign money owns your Country ? The
USA is a FIRESALE, and has been for decades. You guys are becoming
the new MEXICO for other nations. Especially China, Korea, Japan and
the rest of your owners. That's what happens when you can't pay the
bills. What's worse is that the actual "Bills" you use to pay your
interest with, becomes worth less each and every month. Be afraid, be
very afraid.

/MM

On Apr 23, 1:08*pm, wrote:
On Apr 23, 5:16 am, "David K"
wrote:





michele wrote:
anything to generate some chatter, y'all are getting boring.... -- *m

Not sure what price you're paying for a gallon of gas but here in the UK
we're looking at

£1.11 per litre
or
£5.55 per gallon
or
$11 per gallon

Diesel fuel is more expensive again.
This breakdown of the price of petrol is based on the assumption of £5
(approx $10) per gallon so it's a bit out of date:

* a.. Petrol Fuel Duty - £2.40 ($4.80)

* b.. VAT (17.5%) - £0.75 ($1.50)

* c.. Refinery Petrol Costs - £1.59 ($3.17)

* d.. Forecourt Costs - £0.15 ($0.30)

* e.. Forecourt Profit - £0.10 ($0.20)
I take on board what Dennis says about the price of gas keeping vehicles of
the road and you would think it makes sense however I'm not sure it works.

It certainly doesn't here in the UK where the 'car is king' mindset
prevails.

David

--
==========================
David Kelso
Crystal Clear Glass Engravers
t/f 028 9032 9655
m: 07733 128216
e:
w:www.crystal-engravers.com
==========================

It does work. *It just doesn't start working immediately. *People are
driving less. * Any community that relies on tourism is complaining
loud and long about the drop in visitors. *People are trading in their
monster gas guzzlers for more fuel efficient vehicles. *Prices on
SUV's have dived to where you can buy new ones at employee prices for
0% down and 0% financing for 72 months. Used ones are being dumped at
outrageously low prices. *There's a waiting list for hybrids and fuel
efficient vehicles like the Mercedes "Smart" (which the Americans have
just now discovered). * More people are looking at (and buying)
electrics). *.

The change in driving habits is happening - slowly but steadily.
It'll accelerate as fuel prices continue to increase and an increasing
number of communities invest in improved public transit. * The first
to be seriously hit will be the airlines and truckers. *Fewer people
will be flying and fewer goods will be shipped great distance.

The $11 per gallon price has much less effect in Brit than here
because the distances travelled are radically less. *Get the price in
the US up to $8 per gallon and you'll see a dramatic reduction in
miles driven and size of vehicle used.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yeah,
No Kidding....!

If the price of Gas is cause for real economic concern for Americans
right now, then what exaclty are they going to do when they have to
pay the prices we are, or the insane prices that Europe pays ? This
summer is going to be interesting to say the least....

Lest we forget that those 'cheap tomatoes' and other veggis from chile
will no longer be coming in 'as fresh' as they used to...

/MM

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:55:36 -0700 (PDT), Jman
wrote:

On Apr 23, 12:07*am, nJb wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:27:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:50 pm, "Javahut" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Apr 22, 4:45 pm, "michele" wrote:
anything to generate some chatter, y'all are getting boring.... -- *m

I think the price is too low and will have to rise considerably before
it forces enough vehicles off the road to make enough of the needed
environmental improvements. *Fortunately for the environment, that
needed rise is coming in steady increments.

ANother ****ing brain fart from an absolute idiot.

Way to liven **** up Danus, I knew you couldn't keep your pie hole shut for
long,

You anti-american peter breath dip ****. go create more of those fictioinal
basement bandits will ya, solder em al together with your turbo iron.

Those steadily rising prices received for shipping Canadian oil
southbound are also steadily increasing funding to Canada's
magnificent health care system.

Right. Most of it is already owned by foreign companies, mostly US
based. The main reason Chevron bought Gulf Oil in 1984 was to aquire
Gulf's large Canadian oil fields.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign...nies_of_Canada

Jack- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My God, you too are an Idiot.....

So they hold a 69% share in Imperial Oil..... Big Friggin' deal !
They are the largest COMPANY in the world and yet STILL ranked 14th in
held Gas and Oil reserves. Just as it is in every other country, no
foreign entity is allowed to own more than "X" amount of any
substantial Oil reserve. Do you even know where the OIl Sands are ?
Do you have any idea how much foreign money owns your Country ? The
USA is a FIRESALE, and has been for decades. You guys are becoming
the new MEXICO for other nations. Especially China, Korea, Japan and
the rest of your owners. That's what happens when you can't pay the
bills. What's worse is that the actual "Bills" you use to pay your
interest with, becomes worth less each and every month. Be afraid, be
very afraid.

/MM

No fear jman. An American even owns your beloved Montreal Canadians
and the arena where they play.

On Apr 23, 8:57 pm, nJb wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:55:36 -0700 (PDT), Jman



wrote:
On Apr 23, 12:07 am, nJb wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:27:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:50 pm, "Javahut" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Apr 22, 4:45 pm, "michele" wrote:
anything to generate some chatter, y'all are getting boring.... -- m

I think the price is too low and will have to rise considerably before
it forces enough vehicles off the road to make enough of the needed
environmental improvements. Fortunately for the environment, that
needed rise is coming in steady increments.

ANother ****ing brain fart from an absolute idiot.

Way to liven **** up Danus, I knew you couldn't keep your pie hole shut for
long,

You anti-american peter breath dip ****. go create more of those fictioinal
basement bandits will ya, solder em al together with your turbo iron.

Those steadily rising prices received for shipping Canadian oil
southbound are also steadily increasing funding to Canada's
magnificent health care system.

Right. Most of it is already owned by foreign companies, mostly US
based. The main reason Chevron bought Gulf Oil in 1984 was to aquire
Gulf's large Canadian oil fields.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign...nies_of_Canada

Jack- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My God, you too are an Idiot.....

So they hold a 69% share in Imperial Oil..... Big Friggin' deal !
They are the largest COMPANY in the world and yet STILL ranked 14th in
held Gas and Oil reserves. Just as it is in every other country, no
foreign entity is allowed to own more than "X" amount of any
substantial Oil reserve. Do you even know where the OIl Sands are ?
Do you have any idea how much foreign money owns your Country ? The
USA is a FIRESALE, and has been for decades. You guys are becoming
the new MEXICO for other nations. Especially China, Korea, Japan and
the rest of your owners. That's what happens when you can't pay the
bills. What's worse is that the actual "Bills" you use to pay your
interest with, becomes worth less each and every month. Be afraid, be
very afraid.

/MM

No fear jman. An American even owns your beloved Montreal Canadians
and the arena where they play.

At least some American investors have some smarts. Any US company
with a miniscule of sense is pulling their money out of the states
while they still have some money left (and before the Asian and
European banks foreclose everything) and investing it in Canada. The
Canadian economy is climbing at just about the same rate the American
is sinking. The big question stateside is how long it'll be before
the US $ hits par with the peso and how long the foreign banks remain
tolerant before they pull the plug and cash out. The only American
businesses experiencing any kind of economic health are bankruptcy
trustees.

As our Newfies would so well state it, you fellas here are as dumb as
two short planks stuck together with stupid glue. I wonder if you
have the slightest idea how pitifully little of your country you still
own?

On Apr 23, 9:17 pm, wrote:
On Apr 23, 8:57 pm, nJb wrote:



On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:55:36 -0700 (PDT), Jman

wrote:
On Apr 23, 12:07 am, nJb wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:27:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:50 pm, "Javahut" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Apr 22, 4:45 pm, "michele" wrote:
anything to generate some chatter, y'all are getting boring.... -- m

I think the price is too low and will have to rise considerably before
it forces enough vehicles off the road to make enough of the needed
environmental improvements. Fortunately for the environment, that
needed rise is coming in steady increments.

ANother ****ing brain fart from an absolute idiot.

Way to liven **** up Danus, I knew you couldn't keep your pie hole shut for
long,

You anti-american peter breath dip ****. go create more of those fictioinal
basement bandits will ya, solder em al together with your turbo iron.

Those steadily rising prices received for shipping Canadian oil
southbound are also steadily increasing funding to Canada's
magnificent health care system.

Right. Most of it is already owned by foreign companies, mostly US
based. The main reason Chevron bought Gulf Oil in 1984 was to aquire
Gulf's large Canadian oil fields.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign...nies_of_Canada

Jack- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My God, you too are an Idiot.....

So they hold a 69% share in Imperial Oil..... Big Friggin' deal !
They are the largest COMPANY in the world and yet STILL ranked 14th in
held Gas and Oil reserves. Just as it is in every other country, no
foreign entity is allowed to own more than "X" amount of any
substantial Oil reserve. Do you even know where the OIl Sands are ?
Do you have any idea how much foreign money owns your Country ? The
USA is a FIRESALE, and has been for decades. You guys are becoming
the new MEXICO for other nations. Especially China, Korea, Japan and
the rest of your owners. That's what happens when you can't pay the
bills. What's worse is that the actual "Bills" you use to pay your
interest with, becomes worth less each and every month. Be afraid, be
very afraid.

/MM

No fear jman. An American even owns your beloved Montreal Canadians
and the arena where they play.

At least some American investors have some smarts. Any US company
with a miniscule of sense is pulling their money out of the states
while they still have some money left (and before the Asian and
European banks foreclose everything) and investing it in Canada. The
Canadian economy is climbing at just about the same rate the American
is sinking. The big question stateside is how long it'll be before
the US $ hits par with the peso and how long the foreign banks remain
tolerant before they pull the plug and cash out. The only American
businesses experiencing any kind of economic health are bankruptcy
trustees.

As our Newfies would so well state it, you fellas here are as dumb as
two short planks stuck together with stupid glue. I wonder if you
have the slightest idea how pitifully little of your country you still
own?

Hey Jman.....do you think Looney & Associates have been able to figure
out yet that Calgary and Victoria ain't the same place? Should we
tell them that just because we can travel between our igloos by
dogsled doesn't mean we all live right next door to each other?