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Doubling of the Chinese Button Knot
Cedro wrote, "I am having no success what so even in getting past a
mental barrier of which prevents me from doubling either the Boatswain's Whistle Knot or the Chinese Button Knot. . . . direct me to an illustration ... ". Does http://www.knottingartist.com/button-diag.html help? Brian. |
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The URL Brian mentioned (www.knottingartist.com) is no longer owned by me,
therefore I have no way of updating the information on it. The diagram source has a new URL, it is http://www.ropeworks.biz/reader/boatswai.pdf. When I was asked to sell the domain name I was not advised that the content is part of the deal. Sigh... BTW, the Chinese button knot is the same as boat swain's whistle knot. Yvonne Chang "Brian G." wrote in message oups.com... Cedro wrote, "I am having no success what so even in getting past a mental barrier of which prevents me from doubling either the Boatswain's Whistle Knot or the Chinese Button Knot. . . . direct me to an illustration ... ". Does http://www.knottingartist.com/button-diag.html help? Brian. |
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Cedro,
"...taken each working end around the loop leg on the opposite side before passing it down through the center" is the correct technique. Adobe Reader is free, can be downloaded by going to the adobe website, www.adobe.com. Yvonne "Cedro Wooly" wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:34:17 -0800, "Yvonne Chang" wrote: The URL Brian mentioned (www.knottingartist.com) is no longer owned by me, therefore I have no way of updating the information on it. The diagram source has a new URL, it is http://www.ropeworks.biz/reader/boatswai.pdf. When I was asked to sell the domain name I was not advised that the content is part of the deal. Sigh... BTW, the Chinese button knot is the same as boat swain's whistle knot. I have been mistaken then. I had begun each knot with a carrick bend with a loop in the standing line. In tying the boatswains whistle knot I have then taken each working end around the loop leg on the opposite side before passing it down through the center. In tying the Chinese button knot I had not taken the working ends around the loop leg but rather simply passed each end down through the center from opposite sides. If you can visualize what I have described, which is the correct method of tying the knot? I hope to be able to view the page you have referenced but at the present time I have been unable to install the Adobe pdf reader on my computer (it keeps asking me for a disc that I never had ;-( Thank you very much for your response, Yvonne. Yvonne Chang |
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Cedro, I think part of the confusion between the "Chinese Button Knot" and the "Bosun's Whistle Knot" (ABOK #787) starts with "The Ashley Book of Knots" (ABOK). It is basically the usual confusion with knot names. As you may know, Lydia Chen wrote books on Chinese Knotting. Her first volume was translated into English and published in 1982. She is from Taiwan and her research and work in the history and art of Chinese knotting has made her a definitive authority. In her first volume, Ms. Chen shows the "Button Knot" and it is identical with the "Bosun's Whistle Knot". Hence, Ms. Chen helped establish that the name "Chinese Button Knot" and the name "Bosun's Whistle Knot" refer to the same knot. On the other hand, Ashley says, in ABOK #602, "... so far as I know, [Bosun's Whistle Knot] has not been utilized by the Chinese". For us, I think, Ms. Chen's definition of the "Chinese Button Knot" is the accepted one. On the other hand, Ashley says that the knot ABOK #600 (your Chinese Button Knot) is the "common Chinese Button Knot". ABOK #600 is ABOK #788A and it is not the "Bosun's Whistle Knot". I think this is the cause of some confusion when one talks about which final tuck is the "Chinese Button Knot". I agree with Yvonne: the "Bosun's Whistle Knot" is the "Chinese Button Knot". However, I suspect that ABOK #600, the knot Ashley calls the "common Chinese Button Knot", is also, and has been used as, a button knot. Ashley's #601 shows his "common Chinese Button Knot" doubled. Ashley's #788B shows the "Bosun's Whistle Knot" / "Chinese Button Knot" doubled. I hope you have access to Ashley's Book of Knots and that I have not added to confusion!!! - Brian. |
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