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Old March 22nd 04, 08:04 AM
MIKandCOL
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Have you seen the land rover commercial where a couple guys are walking along
the road hitchiking? One of the guys says his goal in life is to work with
ceramics and pottery. A land rover picks them up and suddenly the guy changes
his mind, thinking he would like to have a luxurious and obviously expensive
land rover someday.

When I first saw this I was offended that the land rover company would put down
people with an interest in ceramics, but then I must admit that only a minority
of people make their living this way. I used to joke in college that I was
taking "underwater basketweaving" meaning some degrees are essentially useless
in the real world. Is this the way society in america views ceramics?

Since I do ceramics only for enjoyment, perhaps I should not be so critical

- Mike
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Old March 22nd 04, 08:52 AM
Monika Schleidt
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MIKandCOL wrote:

Have you seen the land rover commercial where a couple guys are walking along
the road hitchiking? One of the guys says his goal in life is to work with
ceramics and pottery. A land rover picks them up and suddenly the guy changes
his mind, thinking he would like to have a luxurious and obviously expensive
land rover someday.

When I first saw this I was offended that the land rover company would put down
people with an interest in ceramics, but then I must admit that only a minority
of people make their living this way. I used to joke in college that I was
taking "underwater basketweaving" meaning some degrees are essentially useless
in the real world. Is this the way society in america views ceramics?

Since I do ceramics only for enjoyment, perhaps I should not be so critical

- Mike


Not a very good commercial in my opinion, since it implies, people who
don't make big bugs don't even have to consider it. (I haven't seen it
though, since i live in Austria)

Monika

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Old March 22nd 04, 03:23 PM
Deborah M Riel
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In article ,
MIKandCOL wrote:
When I first saw this I was offended that the land rover company would put down
people with an interest in ceramics, but then I must admit that only a minority
of people make their living this way. I used to joke in college that I was
taking "underwater basketweaving" meaning some degrees are essentially useless
in the real world. Is this the way society in america views ceramics?

When I was in college, we art majors were called "cutty pasties" by
the rest of the population. When people would ask us what we planned
to do after we graduated, we'd joke that we were going to be waiters
or dishwashers. The sad thing is that the placement office at my
college only had one recruiter looking for art majors, and they were
offering just barely above minimum wage. So, when I graduated, I
became (you guessed it) a waitress. I went to secretarial school
after getting my BFA so I could be assured of a regular wage job. I'm
still working in an office 25 years later, and doing ceramics and
stained glass on the side to keep sane.

Yes, this is the way society in america views the arts in general.
Just look at the art programs in the schools. They've all been
decimated because they're looked at as extraneous and unnecessary.

Doesn't matter to me. I'd rather be surrounded by paintings, stained
glass and pottery that I've made than be surrounded by a Land Rover.

Deb R.

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Old March 22nd 04, 06:18 PM
Deborah M Riel
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In article lekom.at,
Monika Schleidt wrote:

Not a very good commercial in my opinion, since it implies, people who
don't make big bugs don't even have to consider it. (I haven't seen it
though, since i live in Austria)

Eew--I *hate* big bugs! ;-)

Deb R.
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Old March 22nd 04, 08:34 PM
Uncle John
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(MIKandCOL) wrote in
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Have you seen the land rover commercial where a couple guys are
walking along the road hitchiking? One of the guys says his goal in
life is to work with ceramics and pottery. A land rover picks them up



It may be surprising to some but the vast majority of our populations
couldn't care less about ceramics and pottery or any other craft object
or fine art. After all it is a very middle class occupation and market.

Apart from Otago Polytechnic, ceramics have disappeared from all other
tertiary institutions in New Zealand. At the end of last year ten tutors
were made redundent from the Otago Polytechnic School of Art. Two of
these were from the ceramics department leaving only one tutor to run the
show. I would be surprised if the ceramics department lasts another year.

I would estimate that in our total population of 4 million there would
only be less than ten people making a good full time living from making
pottery. There is a larger group who make a part time income from their
pottery, while they are working away at something else.

Interestingly enough I posted a an ealier message looking to contact any
potters out there who were grossing more than $50,000 a year to discuss
business plans etc.. $50,000 gross would be the minimum to make a full
time living. I have not had a reply.

We have all missed the boat and I feel that is because over the years we
have ceased to educate the younger people into the love of hand made
objects and craft.

Regards

John W









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Old March 23rd 04, 12:39 AM
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Yeah... I continue on making pottery and selling it... Last year my sales fell to
$18,000 from $22,000. And that is gross sales... not profit... At 56, I am loosing
capital making pottery. My kilns are old, my kiln shelves are old and warped...
The dough/clay mixer came off a wwII destroyer that was commissioned in 1942. My
car is in the shop again and so is the truck... I can do some things, but not
automatic transmissions or rebuilding an 80's style carburetor with electronic
ignition... The wife left me 15 years ago. I used to substitute teach for extra $,
but those jobs went out with Pete Wilson let alone Arnold... and so the news get
worse and I wonder just how I will sell enough pots this year to make a living. My
writes hurt, there is a pain in one of my back teeth that means its got to come
out because I really don't have $2500 for a root canal to save it and no I don't
want to pay it off on time... hell I am debt free!! Ok so now what am I grateful
for... Gratitude list... I make a living making functional ceramics. Its the
greatest feeling in the world to see a teapot pour correctly with a beautiful
crackle glaze. Its an amazing experience to see a copper red stream from bottom of
a large vase and run to just the catch step of the foot... better yet to have a
rutile blue and a cobalt glaze with dolomite matrix flowing over that... I am in
love with this craft and have been for 30 plus years. On March 15, I celebrated 30
years of owning a street vending license. It was the end of tyranny. I am grateful
for working 60 to 80 hours a week at something I love instead of something I hate
or living with some who just needs to spend more and more and more.... No, I don't
have a house or a new SUV or Bambi or Rayban sun glasses.. my health insurance
sucks, and instead of a gym membership, I wedge clay... I am grateful for arms
that are still strong and a mind that is calculating and planning. I hope some how
to continue to do that in this age of $450k median homes, $30k cars, $20k state
school tuition. I am grateful to go to 12 step meetings at least twice a week... I
am grateful for the friends that I have made thru making and selling pottery.... I
am grateful to have made and sold over 150,000 pieces of pottery in 34 years....
There... keep your land rover....
Russ Andavall
www.firegodarts.com


MIKandCOL wrote:

Have you seen the land rover commercial where a couple guys are walking along
the road hitchiking? One of the guys says his goal in life is to work with
ceramics and pottery. A land rover picks them up and suddenly the guy changes
his mind, thinking he would like to have a luxurious and obviously expensive
land rover someday.

When I first saw this I was offended that the land rover company would put down
people with an interest in ceramics, but then I must admit that only a minority
of people make their living this way. I used to joke in college that I was
taking "underwater basketweaving" meaning some degrees are essentially useless
in the real world. Is this the way society in america views ceramics?

Since I do ceramics only for enjoyment, perhaps I should not be so critical

- Mike


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Old March 23rd 04, 01:00 AM
Eddie Daughton
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When i think of "land Rover" i think of a tank driven by semidetached people
with semi detached lives, who never go off road (even when my clapped out
ford escort estate is coming the other way and the road is two narrow to
pass, i get to be the one off the road, cos the landy doesnt want to get
it's paint dirty...)... Sometimes with bull bars so's they can tell you how
big their ego is (need bull bars to move the bull**** that surrounds
them....)...And then i go to me shed and the wheel of my pots goes round and
round and i drift away to a place where all is centred and still.... Dunno
where it is but it's just down the soul road from the place i go when i
surf.....
No i don't need a landy, and strangely enuff i don't need 50k a year, i have
a place to live, food to eat, a lady who loves me two grown kids who i'm
proud of, and a daft dog, i guess the advert isn't aimed at me after
all...Happy folk don't need someting in a box or on four wheels to replace
the dreams they had when they were young...I LOVE BEING A POTTER... (even
when it's 4 in the morning and the f£$"ing cones WON'T go down......)
Hugz
Eddie
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...
Yeah... I continue on making pottery and selling it... Last year my sales

fell to
$18,000 from $22,000. And that is gross sales... not profit... At 56, I am

loosing
capital making pottery. My kilns are old, my kiln shelves are old and

warped...
The dough/clay mixer came off a wwII destroyer that was commissioned in

1942. My
car is in the shop again and so is the truck... I can do some things, but

not
automatic transmissions or rebuilding an 80's style carburetor with

electronic
ignition... The wife left me 15 years ago. I used to substitute teach for

extra $,
but those jobs went out with Pete Wilson let alone Arnold... and so the

news get
worse and I wonder just how I will sell enough pots this year to make a

living. My
writes hurt, there is a pain in one of my back teeth that means its got to

come
out because I really don't have $2500 for a root canal to save it and no I

don't
want to pay it off on time... hell I am debt free!! Ok so now what am I

grateful
for... Gratitude list... I make a living making functional ceramics. Its

the
greatest feeling in the world to see a teapot pour correctly with a

beautiful
crackle glaze. Its an amazing experience to see a copper red stream from

bottom of
a large vase and run to just the catch step of the foot... better yet to

have a
rutile blue and a cobalt glaze with dolomite matrix flowing over that... I

am in
love with this craft and have been for 30 plus years. On March 15, I

celebrated 30
years of owning a street vending license. It was the end of tyranny. I am

grateful
for working 60 to 80 hours a week at something I love instead of something

I hate
or living with some who just needs to spend more and more and more.... No,

I don't
have a house or a new SUV or Bambi or Rayban sun glasses.. my health

insurance
sucks, and instead of a gym membership, I wedge clay... I am grateful for

arms
that are still strong and a mind that is calculating and planning. I hope

some how
to continue to do that in this age of $450k median homes, $30k cars, $20k

state
school tuition. I am grateful to go to 12 step meetings at least twice a

week... I
am grateful for the friends that I have made thru making and selling

pottery.... I
am grateful to have made and sold over 150,000 pieces of pottery in 34

years....
There... keep your land rover....
Russ Andavall
www.firegodarts.com


MIKandCOL wrote:

Have you seen the land rover commercial where a couple guys are walking

along
the road hitchiking? One of the guys says his goal in life is to work

with
ceramics and pottery. A land rover picks them up and suddenly the guy

changes
his mind, thinking he would like to have a luxurious and obviously

expensive
land rover someday.

When I first saw this I was offended that the land rover company would

put down
people with an interest in ceramics, but then I must admit that only a

minority
of people make their living this way. I used to joke in college that I

was
taking "underwater basketweaving" meaning some degrees are essentially

useless
in the real world. Is this the way society in america views ceramics?

Since I do ceramics only for enjoyment, perhaps I should not be so

critical

- Mike




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Old March 23rd 04, 01:47 AM
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I think the point of the ad is that potting doesn't make enough money to buy
the Land Rover. The ad guy falls in love with the car and decides he needs
a career that makes more money. Not a very effective ad in that it says the
car is too damned expensive for ordinary folk.

I know that I couldn't make a living potting - it is just a fabulous hobby
for me.
I couldn't even afford a Lada with the money I would earn from potting. To
all those of you who manage to do so, I have great admiration and respect
for you. I am even a teensy bit jealous of you.

There are a lot of things more important in this life that being able to buy
an environment killing monstrosity with leather seats.

Fiona
(who supports her pottery addiction by her criminal defence law practice)


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Old March 23rd 04, 02:07 AM
Brad Sondahl
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Interestingly enough I posted a an ealier message looking to contact any
potters out there who were grossing more than $50,000 a year to discuss
business plans etc.. $50,000 gross would be the minimum to make a full
time living. I have not had a reply.


snip
You might have done better on Clayart--this is "rec." crafts.pottery after
all...
But as you can see from a couple other posts, a few of us full time
ceramicists don't feel we have to make $50,000/year from our profession.
Learning to live on less was part and parcel of the "back to the earth
movement," which dragged a lot of us boomers into it.
I've been a professional potter for 28 years and never have figured out what
a business plan is. But I bought my home and pottery sales place (one and the
same) with pottery sales money, and raised a family as sole income provider
for quite a while. Like Russell, I never liked going into debt (although it
probably would've helped at times).
And while the Land Rover commercial makers sneer at the pottery career,
those of us who think the Land Rover an abomination ironically sneer back at
their stupidity.
$50,000 sales per year fit with Land Rovers.
"Why do you labor for that which does not satisfy?"
Brad Sondahl
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http://sondahl.com

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Old March 23rd 04, 09:41 AM
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"Monika Schleidt" wrote in message
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MIKandCOL wrote:

Have you seen the land rover commercial where a couple guys are walking

along
the road hitchiking? One of the guys says his goal in life is to work

with
ceramics and pottery. A land rover picks them up and suddenly the guy

changes
his mind, thinking he would like to have a luxurious and obviously

expensive
land rover someday.

When I first saw this I was offended that the land rover company would

put down
people with an interest in ceramics, but then I must admit that only a

minority
of people make their living this way. I used to joke in college that I

was
taking "underwater basketweaving" meaning some degrees are essentially

useless
in the real world. Is this the way society in america views ceramics?

Since I do ceramics only for enjoyment, perhaps I should not be so

critical

- Mike


Not a very good commercial in my opinion, since it implies, people who
don't make big bugs don't even have to consider it. (I haven't seen it
though, since i live in Austria)

Monika

--
Monika Schleidt

www.schleidt.org/mskeramik
(If you wish to send me a mail, please leave out the number after my

name!)


Only those who make lots of money can afford Land Rovers. If I had that
kind of money it would not be my choice of vehicle anyway even if I was
going off road.


 




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