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OT : Just When You Thought Stuff Couldn't Be Worse
To thise of you that have read about our um=nemployment problem : It's
worse ... well, we won't get unemployment paid to us ... we were actually prepared to accept that even though we know people that got it for a lot less good reasons ... We are now in a he said / she said game with the unemployment people and apparently we are not as good as he is at explaining ourselves .... I wrote an appeal letter and recieved no answer, so i have to call them today. My sister just sent her appeal in and she wrote a very fin letter indeed, for all the good I think it will ever do. The only good part is that other people involved will get a copy of her letter and she will have been heard. It is rather atomic, that letter ... ! So day beore yesterday, we went to a cpmpany to appy for work and they turned us down bac=sed on a "non-bopet" agreeent we had signed. Thw usiness we worked for wa a telephone answering service, that is trying to wok it's way up to a call center that does order entry. We only had 2 order entry clients, The agreement sates answering service, but he is faxing everywhere we apply this letter and we are getting turned down. Apparently he is alleging to these people that we signed it knowing about the move to a call center environment. he agreement only says answering service. People are afraid to hire us, based on the fact that he is telling them that if we even touch a telepone in the execution of our job, he will sue. It is good for 2 years. The place we went, wanted to put us to work on the spot, but could not, due to this. We did find out that there are other people who walked away after we did. He has faxed a list of employees to every ans. svc. and call center of the 5 people they can't hire or be sued. We were actually shocked he would go this far ! The company is a very small mom and pop environment. This is our only marketable job skill as seen by unemployment ... and we have been advised to write to him to be released from the agreement and if he doesn't to get a lawyer. We are not getting a good reference from him, and we know this is more personal than the truth. To those of you that emailed me privately, thanks for your support ... just letting you know the outcome .... wait till he gets a load of my sister's appeal letter ... if he thinks he is mad at us now, just wait. We figure it can't get any worse, so we were at least going to have our say. Rainbow |
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So sorry for what you are going through.
KathyH "rainbow" wrote in message ... To thise of you that have read about our um=nemployment problem : It's worse ... well, we won't get unemployment paid to us ... we were actually prepared to accept that even though we know people that got it for a lot less good reasons ... We are now in a he said / she said game with the unemployment people and apparently we are not as good as he is at explaining ourselves .... I wrote an appeal letter and recieved no answer, so i have to call them today. My sister just sent her appeal in and she wrote a very fin letter indeed, for all the good I think it will ever do. The only good part is that other people involved will get a copy of her letter and she will have been heard. It is rather atomic, that letter ... ! So day beore yesterday, we went to a cpmpany to appy for work and they turned us down bac=sed on a "non-bopet" agreeent we had signed. Thw usiness we worked for wa a telephone answering service, that is trying to wok it's way up to a call center that does order entry. We only had 2 order entry clients, The agreement sates answering service, but he is faxing everywhere we apply this letter and we are getting turned down. Apparently he is alleging to these people that we signed it knowing about the move to a call center environment. he agreement only says answering service. People are afraid to hire us, based on the fact that he is telling them that if we even touch a telepone in the execution of our job, he will sue. It is good for 2 years. The place we went, wanted to put us to work on the spot, but could not, due to this. We did find out that there are other people who walked away after we did. He has faxed a list of employees to every ans. svc. and call center of the 5 people they can't hire or be sued. We were actually shocked he would go this far ! The company is a very small mom and pop environment. This is our only marketable job skill as seen by unemployment ... and we have been advised to write to him to be released from the agreement and if he doesn't to get a lawyer. We are not getting a good reference from him, and we know this is more personal than the truth. To those of you that emailed me privately, thanks for your support ... just letting you know the outcome .... wait till he gets a load of my sister's appeal letter ... if he thinks he is mad at us now, just wait. We figure it can't get any worse, so we were at least going to have our say. Rainbow |
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Sue him now. I wish I could be of better help, because your situation
sounds really horrible. I think the only thing you can do is sue him, or find another job in a completely different environment. Perhaps a job that will pay for training. ((((hugs)))) -- Kandice Seeber Air & Earth Designs http://www.lampwork.net "rainbow" wrote in message ... To thise of you that have read about our um=nemployment problem : It's worse ... well, we won't get unemployment paid to us ... we were actually prepared to accept that even though we know people that got it for a lot less good reasons ... We are now in a he said / she said game with the unemployment people and apparently we are not as good as he is at explaining ourselves .... I wrote an appeal letter and recieved no answer, so i have to call them today. My sister just sent her appeal in and she wrote a very fin letter indeed, for all the good I think it will ever do. The only good part is that other people involved will get a copy of her letter and she will have been heard. It is rather atomic, that letter ... ! So day beore yesterday, we went to a cpmpany to appy for work and they turned us down bac=sed on a "non-bopet" agreeent we had signed. Thw usiness we worked for wa a telephone answering service, that is trying to wok it's way up to a call center that does order entry. We only had 2 order entry clients, The agreement sates answering service, but he is faxing everywhere we apply this letter and we are getting turned down. Apparently he is alleging to these people that we signed it knowing about the move to a call center environment. he agreement only says answering service. People are afraid to hire us, based on the fact that he is telling them that if we even touch a telepone in the execution of our job, he will sue. It is good for 2 years. The place we went, wanted to put us to work on the spot, but could not, due to this. We did find out that there are other people who walked away after we did. He has faxed a list of employees to every ans. svc. and call center of the 5 people they can't hire or be sued. We were actually shocked he would go this far ! The company is a very small mom and pop environment. This is our only marketable job skill as seen by unemployment ... and we have been advised to write to him to be released from the agreement and if he doesn't to get a lawyer. We are not getting a good reference from him, and we know this is more personal than the truth. To those of you that emailed me privately, thanks for your support ... just letting you know the outcome .... wait till he gets a load of my sister's appeal letter ... if he thinks he is mad at us now, just wait. We figure it can't get any worse, so we were at least going to have our say. Rainbow |
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Two words: Legal Aid. Move on it now, or this fart will make your life even
worse. ~~ Sooz ------- ESBC Dr. Sooz's Bead Links http://airandearth.netfirms.com/soozlinkslist.html One of the advantages of being disorderly is that one is constantly making exciting discoveries. ~ A. A. Milne |
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We both filed appeals and are waiting to hear back, which we should
after the holiday. The worst thing is that this will come down to a hearing, and he will say what he says and I say mine and I can't figure out how they figure out who is more right. He says he has a right to run his business and do what he does, and I say it was horrible and unfair and they tell me to get over it ..... My sister isgoing to win this thing, at least I think so ... she wrote the beat appeal letter ! If she has to be re=trained, he should have to pay for it. As well as myself. Hey, we'd been ot applying for jobs and we had no idea he was faxing this agreement we'd signed to people who called for our employment history. Only one woman had the balls to tell us. I haven't even told everything about all the stuff we went thru. Ya'll would trip out ! For the past year, or a little better we have hd a nightmare. The porno site he wanted us to deal with was the end of it. Unemployment said this wasn't illegal and was no reason to quit. The take over of the business has been going on all year, but we didn't know. Our supervisor, who told us alot of stuff, just didn't tell us this part. She had been telling us that the guy was a jerk, but that was a moot point, we knew that. In one breath we went from a nice little place to daily hassles with the new ofc mgr, his live in girlfriend, and harassment by him. All attempte to make him listen to us were ignored. We are not the only ones. Several others bit the dust as well. If ya'll want to laff about this, here's a little story, The previous owner, his mom, is asuper strict Christian and was pretty socially conscious, to the point that she would hire and train people who would be impossible to otherwise employ. Such as a mentally ill 440 lb. woman, who didn't know how to handle her monthly period, yuk, and an older woman who has a medical thing and had to bring several changes of pants towork because she was incontinent. She would keep her poop stained clothes in her locker all day. Our supervisor would go in to these tirades in the early AM when only she and I and my sister were there and once she demonstrated, physically, her rape scenario. When we complained we were ignored. I am not hard hearted, really, but this was a business and working environment and we shouldn't have had to go thru this. On the day before i left, a lad who had cometo work with us, freaked out in our office because she was off her meds. I actually got all the way under my desk to keep from getting hurt ! Unemployment won't listen to any of this. They only care about the day I left and why, that day I went. I explained everything in the appeal, the damned letter was 4 pages long. The whole process of this is just ridiculous. They said i should have procured secure employment before leaving, but it just was not possible. They also only look at your case, and not the business, as a whole. If they fif, they'd find one fired and 4 walked away after the change over .... shouldn't this point to a problem ? We are really afraid of what was already said to perspective employers about us by this guy. He has us about as out of the game as you can get. Another part of this is a catch 22 thing. The company uses an off premise benefits and payroll company. They do insurance and payroll and I think that because of a legal thing and group insurance, you are called an employee of that company. We had only had that company for 5 months. Before that we'd had a different one. We were 9 year employees of the ans. svc., with these off premise mgnt. svcs. On our unemployment insurance record, it looks like we were only employed by 1 of them for 5 months and the other for about 4 years, and previously we were paid directly by the ans. svc. It was never explained to us that we'd have trouble with unemployment if we had gone with tis other company. Unemployment didn't seem to be able to understand the concept AT ALL, that we were employees for 9 years of a business that has an off site mgmt. company. We don't know what exactly we are going to do right now, but we are discussing legal action. Problem is, we have to generate an income or we are going to lose our apt. That is more important to us at the moment. Rainbow |
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On 04 Jul 2003 05:18:23 GMT, uppies (Dr. Sooz)
wrote: Two words: Legal Aid. Move on it now, or this fart will make your life even worse. ~~ And remember, most states are ruling these "non-compete" clauses illegal. They have become too broadly used. Most companies now have to show that the clause is necessary for them to remain in business. That the skills and information you acquired while working there are so unique and proprietary that they have to be kept secret. Otherwise, the non-compete clauses are being ruled null and void. Barbara Dream Master www.dreamweaverstudio.com "Do not spoil what you have, by desiring what you have not; remember that what you now have was once among the things only hoped for." |
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Hey, thanks, as we are scrambling , trying to find words to fight this
thing with, yours will be very useful ! By the way, I bow to you, forthe beautiful stuff on your site ! Rainbow |
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