Corinabeads and challenges

It's a shame that folks bash her. I'm not saying I don't think some of the
same things about some folks being better than Corina. I think it's hurtful
to say those things in a very public forum. I'm actually happy she received
such a high bid. Yes there is a cult around Corina that I'm hard pressed to
understand but don't we all kinda want the same thing?

--
Starlia Klopman
www.klopmanstudios.com


"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
I agree. I don't like all of Corina's sets, but that's a subjective
thing. There are sets of hers that I like way more than the one we're
talking about, but that's a personal preference thing. When someone falls
in love with something and has to have it no matter what, that's good for
everyone.
I just hope everyone can remember that Corina is a person and she sees all
of this and has feelings about it. People should read the chats on her
website, because there are some people really trash talking her, and it's
really uncalled-for. (Not here, of course, we're pretty good about
respecting people for the most part)
Here's her page, the chat is Wednesday:
http://www.corinabeads.com/

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

the collector will
pay that kind of money for something they perceive as collectible art.
I
think it's a wonderful step forward for lampwork as an art... we're
already there as a craft, but we have yet to be truly accepted as a
fine
art. (I'm not saying that we're all artists, but there are some
lampworkers who are, and should be (and aren't) accepted as fine
artists).

-Kalera

Even though I do hear some kvetching here and there (I don't mean in
this
thread) about Corina's beads not being all-that, I do think her beads
are
art
as opposed to craft. Not every set of hers, but that's okay. Her stuff
is
head-and-shoulders above the majority of other lampworkers, and I think
the
inspiration and discovery is obvious in her glass. But it's an opinion,
so
feel free to disagree. (I also think there're some sour grapes out
there
in
the Corina-kvetching....)
~~
Sooz

"starlia" wrote in message
...

Yes there is a cult around Corina that I'm hard pressed to
understand but don't we all kinda want the same thing?


Hee hee. A Corina cult. I'm sure she'd get a kick out of that.

I think it's called charisma.


--
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Lori Greenberg
www.beadnerd.com
ebay:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...origre enberg

"Lori Greenberg" wrote in message
.net...
"starlia" wrote in message
...

Yes there is a cult around Corina that I'm hard pressed to
understand but don't we all kinda want the same thing?


Hee hee. A Corina cult. I'm sure she'd get a kick out of that.

I think it's called charisma.



I bet she would get a kick out of a Corina cult. However cult is the word I
wanted. I know one follower that thinks Corina hung the moon and can do no
wrong. She doesn't see Corina as another person. Instead the person sees
Corina more like a goddess, an untouchable. I know others like her and it
just befuddles me. I think Corina does have a lot of charisma and talent.
If it wasn't for Corina's books and videos I would never have some of the
skills I posses today. I don't however idolize her and can and do see her
as a normal everyday person.

--
Starlia Klopman
www.klopmanstudios.com

That's interesting. I do really like her but she's anything but
untouchable. I know what you mean by that though...I used to get that
feeling from some of the better known polymer clay artists that I came into
contact with when that was my medium. They were very unapproachable and it
was kind of weird. It's even more weird now that I look back.


--------------------------------------
Lori Greenberg
www.beadnerd.com
ebay:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...origre enberg


"starlia" wrote in message
...

I bet she would get a kick out of a Corina cult. However cult is the word
I
wanted. I know one follower that thinks Corina hung the moon and can do
no
wrong. She doesn't see Corina as another person. Instead the person sees
Corina more like a goddess, an untouchable. I know others like her and it
just befuddles me. I think Corina does have a lot of charisma and talent.
If it wasn't for Corina's books and videos I would never have some of the
skills I posses today. I don't however idolize her and can and do see her
as a normal everyday person.

--
Starlia Klopman
www.klopmanstudios.com

Perhaps we should call it the "cult of Corina"... LOL! I think the deal
is, she's a very charismatic person, very outgoing, and really good at
reaching out to people and connecting. She wrote a book tht has helped a
lot of lampworkers get going, and a lot of people, especially newcomers
to the craft, admire her. She's very good at promotion, which in itself
is a skill worth admiring, and she's also a *very very* good lampworker.
Yes, there are others who are just as good and better, (of course there
are!) but we should keep in mind she's only been doing this for what...
five years? And the difference in her skill level from one year ago and
today is just wonderful. She pushes herself, she's always expanding her
horizons. She's made of herself an artist who can inspire others, and
that's great. I am deeply enjoying watching her professional growth, and
excited to see where she takes it... she seems to be a boundary-pusher,
and that helps the whole field. And, to be quite honest, I just plain
like her as a person, so of course that affects my perceptions as well.

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


starlia wrote:
It's a shame that folks bash her. I'm not saying I don't think some of the
same things about some folks being better than Corina. I think it's hurtful
to say those things in a very public forum. I'm actually happy she received
such a high bid. Yes there is a cult around Corina that I'm hard pressed to
understand but don't we all kinda want the same thing?

--
Starlia Klopman
www.klopmanstudios.com

I'm quite serious--it wouldn't be a great house, but I could do that here.
To get a great house, I'd have to go for a 2 bedroom house--but it would
come with lots of extras!

"Kathy N-V" wrote in message
. giganews.com...
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:14:55 -0400, Candace~ wrote
(in message ) :

F*CK! I could buy a 4 bedrom house here for $20,000!

*sigh* sorry.

Oh. My. God.

I would need almost forty times that amount to buy my house (and it's
not a great house). The average house in the Boston area is right
around $750,000. A four bedroom in one of the nicer communities
would be well over a million. In a top-tier suburb, it would be
double or triple that, depending on the amount of land and how nice
the house is.

Are you serious - you can buy a four bedroom home for less than the
cost of a car? That's astonishing.

Kathy N-V

Even rentals here are amazing--for example, my own home--$350 (plus $35 a
month for the land care, cause we have no lawn equipment) for a 3 bedroom, 1
bath, Big kitchen, full sized laundryroom and attached mud room.

"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
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Wow! Where do you *live*?? That would barely be a down payment for a 4
bedroom here in Washington.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

F*CK! I could buy a 4 bedrom house here for $20,000!

*sigh* sorry.

"Dr. Sooz" wrote in message
...
You know what I think? (Otherwise known as "Who cares -- shhh!")

I think that money is a sliding scale thing. $1000 would be a teensy
drop
in
the bucket to me if our household income were ten times what it now
is.
It
would be one big shrug.

$1000 is *nothing* to pay for a pair of shoes, for instance, to some
women.
(To use an item we've been talking about in other threads....SHOES.)
They
*collect* Manolos. Some women think nothing of spending $20,000 for a
DRESS.
So, maybe the buyer of Corina's set of beads -- and her bidding-war
partner
there -- have lots of money. Simply put.

It's all relative. (And I no longer think it's insane.)
~~
Sooz

If I recall correctly you can also get a very nice hotel room for under $20
a night.

Tina


"~Candace~" wrote in message
om...
Sikeston, Missouri--or as DH calls it, Sucks-a-ton, Misery.

"Kaytee" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"~Candace~"
writes:

I could buy a 4 bedrom house here for $20,000!

Where is that? India?

$20K won't even add a room to an existing house, here. And may not even
be
enough to remodel the kitchen.
Kaytee
"Simplexities" on
www.eclecticbeadery.com

How about this? (I could be wrong but...)

http://snipurl.com/8u3o

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


Lori Greenberg wrote:
Kalera Stratton wrote:

AW!

(Make sure it's Gaffer)



Now you've got me confused. I could only find Zimmerman Opaque. I
guess I'll have to go look some more.

Lori-no-signature-yet-Greenberg

I never thought of the word collectible to refer to the resale value - it
depends on the collector.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

You know, I really hate that word, "collectible", as well as the concept.
It really kind of means that the value is in the *resale*, and not the
item
itself, not in the worthiness of the art.

In that context, I'd much rather pay $1,000 for beads for the art value,
and
their value as good material for other art work, than pay $200 for a doll
because someone else might take it off my hands for a comparable value.

Tina


"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
It's the difference, in a real-market kind of way, between art and
craft. They may be one and the same to the maker, but the collector will
pay that kind of money for something they perceive as collectible art. I
think it's a wonderful step forward for lampwork as an art... we're
already there as a craft, but we have yet to be truly accepted as a fine
art. (I'm not saying that we're all artists, but there are some
lampworkers who are, and should be (and aren't) accepted as fine
artists).

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


Dr. Sooz wrote:
The auction that closed for over $1000: http://snipurl.com/8rg1 (to do
her
site and read about her reaction to it)


Come ON. This is insane.
~~
Sooz