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On 1/11/05 9:48 AM, in article
, "K" wrote: Cheryl Isaak wrote in : And what is worse is so many teachers not seeming to do anything but "cut slack" - a grade for class participation that could raise a D to B. How would a parent know if there is trouble? Well, I will say the ones who do that are far fewer than the ones that don't, in my experience (and from my teacher's perspective). They are out there, but that sort of stuff just makes the teacher's job harder in the long run. K Sadly it never seems to be "that teacher" that suffers. Cheryl |
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Cheryl Isaak wrote:
Then what causes it if not stupidity, greed or fear. An inability to discern, for some people. Or exceptionally gifted con artists who have conned some of the best and the brightest. Happens all the time. The very fact that you don't get it puts you in the category of "disabled" from a certain perspective. But we are made equally, from the same act of procreation - the union of a sperm and an ova. We have the same basic wiring (barring genetic or congenital diseases/disorders). Therein lies your difficulty in understanding. No. We are NOT all created equally. We are all born with different IQ levels. Different specialties - which is why some become expert welders and others become expert financiers. I have a directional disability. That doesn't make me stupid. But obviously my wiring gets blitzed in that area. My brother can't spell as well as I could (grin), but that doesn't make him an idiot. In fact, he's a genius at math. I would postulate that "challenged" students would fall outside that "norm". And that's where your theory fails. I have piano students who are challenged, but they are as bright in other areas as anyone else. We ALL have disabilities in one form or another. There is no such thing as "normal". Ask any psychology professor. I SAID BASIC SKILLS TO BE BUILT UPON - and no age added - I've meet all too many college grads that lack those basic skills. Hold them back until they get it or move them to a different track of education. No, you said they should be cemented in by the third grade. This conversation is fruitless . . . as usual. But I now know further where you are coming from when you post. In fact, this conversation made a light-bulb go off as I folded laundry this morning. I'm really angry at my mother. You merely epitomize her faults. I'll try not to let that emotional hot button get in my way in the future. Then again, being human (there's that "normal" thing again), I may forget my resolution and why I made it. Dianne -- "The Journal of Needlework" - The E-zine for All Needleworkers http://journal.heritageshoppe.com |
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Cheryl Isaak wrote:
And there are certain things everyone with normal intelligence should know - how to add and subtract (basic math) and how to read, draw information from what you have just read and EITHER discuss what you have read OR make a decision based on it. And these skills ought to be in place, ready to be built upon, by the end of third grade. And who should be responsible for making sure that happens? Parents? Or that compulsory schooling that you'd prefer to avoid? Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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Dianne Lewandowski wrote:
Cheryl Isaak wrote: [stuff snipped] Pssst! Dianne! Lighten up: Cheryl's not even old enough to be your mother! LOL! Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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On 1/11/05 1:39 PM, in article
et, "Dr. Brat" wrote: Cheryl Isaak wrote: And there are certain things everyone with normal intelligence should know - how to add and subtract (basic math) and how to read, draw information from what you have just read and EITHER discuss what you have read OR make a decision based on it. And these skills ought to be in place, ready to be built upon, by the end of third grade. And who should be responsible for making sure that happens? Parents? Or that compulsory schooling that you'd prefer to avoid? Elizabeth I was speaking philosophically to some degree - I really don't know how to "enforce" it. I deeply and sincerely believe that if one CAN NOT read or do basic math (add, subtract), one can not be a good citizen or a responsible one. By third grade (age 8-10), those basic skills need to be in place to give each child a fighting chance. I have not advocated not giving those with disabilities an education. Cheryl |
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On 1/11/05 1:42 PM, in article
et, "Dr. Brat" wrote: Dianne Lewandowski wrote: Cheryl Isaak wrote: [stuff snipped] Pssst! Dianne! Lighten up: Cheryl's not even old enough to be your mother! LOL! Elizabeth Elizabeth my dear friend - don't bother. Cheryl |
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Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 1/11/05 1:42 PM, in article et, "Dr. Brat" wrote: Dianne Lewandowski wrote: Cheryl Isaak wrote: [stuff snipped] Pssst! Dianne! Lighten up: Cheryl's not even old enough to be your mother! LOL! Elizabeth Elizabeth my dear friend - don't bother. I shouldn't have snipped everything, but I actually posted that before getting to the post where Dianne said that she realizes that she's really angry at her mother. That's a pretty significant realization, even if you do think it comes too late. Some people just set us on edge and it can be really useful when the lightbulb goes off the way it just did here. Elizabeth (practicing without a license. I'll stop now) -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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Dianne Lewandowski wrote in
: We ALL have disabilities in one form or another. There is no such thing as "normal". Ask any psychology professor. Heh. I am one. It depends on your definition of normal. But there are an awful lot of people at the ends of the bell curve. I SAID BASIC SKILLS TO BE BUILT UPON - and no age added - I've meet all too many college grads that lack those basic skills. Hold them back until they get it or move them to a different track of education. No, you said they should be cemented in by the third grade. Actually, she said: "And these skills ought to be in place, ready to be built upon, by the end of third grade." She is right -- the *basic* skills she's talking about should be in place at a very early age, because if they aren't, the child is always playing catch up. K |
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