Firehouse Angel Update

On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 02:03:02 GMT, animaux
wrote:

The stitch count is:

108 x 258

On 28 over 2, the finished piece will be 7.75 x 18.5 plus framing
allowance
On 32 over 2, the finished piece will be 6.75 x 16.1 plus framing
allowance
On 36 over 2, the finished piece will be 6.0 x 14.33 plus framing
allowance.

Allowing 4 inches per side for framing, the largest piece we'd need
(assuming 28 count) is 15.75 x 24.1. You say it's 18 x 26, so we
should have plenty regardless of the thread count.

One less thing to fret over! =)


Jenn L.
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From: Jenn Liace
Date: 9/7/2003 10:25 PM Easte

.......... Allowing 4 inches per side for framing, the largest piece we'd need
(assuming 28 count) is 15.75 x 24.1. You say it's 18 x 26, so we
should have plenty regardless of the thread count.

One less thing to fret over! =)

Also, if we finish it the way V. is describing -- a soft hanging that is
then put inside a glass fronted shadow box, I will need only 1/2" for the seam
allowance. V. said that the info on the design says it is 11.75" x 16.75" on
32 count so I am assuming that thqse dimensions are for the framed piece with
the extra "empty" fabric showing around the design area.
I guess my point is that there is enough fabric for finishing it either
way. I am drawn to the soft hanging and using something "fireman-y" to hang
the finished piece from and then putting it all in a shadowbox. I get sooo
bored with all the framed stuff. Seems that is the only way most people feel
comfortable finishing needlework. I like "different" and this would certainly
be different. Something a bit out of the ordinary to draw attention and help
people remember the sacrifice paid by those brave men and women on that
horrible day. CiaoMeow ^;;^
..
PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their
WHISKERS!!
Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs!

Hello Victoria,

I'd offer to stich but I'm such a slow stitcher, and my eyes can hardly see 11
count anymore. But when you get to the framing, let me know. I'd be more than
happy to contribute some $$ to help get it framed and sent.

I'm not sure if you are planning over one or over two, so I went to the handy
dandy calulator, and here's what I come up with:

32 Count (allowing 3 inches all around)
13Wx23H over 2
10Wx15H over 1

Design size will be 6.75x16.65 over 2 or 3.38x8.06 over 1


28 count (allowing 3 inches all around)
14Hx25H over 2
10Hx16H over 1

Design size will be 7.71x18.43 over 2 or 3.86x9.21 over 1

Looks like you'll have plenty of fabric!
Hope that helps,

Jo Anne in Wichita



First, I recovered the fabric I have and it measures 18 x 26 inches. The
finished design in #32 count is 11 1/4 by 16 1/4. I do not know the inch
count
of this fabric. It is hand dyed linen. Don't know what kind. It's a
beautiful
fabric and the perfect color for this design.

The stitch count is:

108 x 258

Anyone who has the side of the brain to do math of this kind, will you please
convert this into two sizes. Assuming the fabric I have is #28 count, what
would the finished size be. Would the piece I have be large enough for
either
of the stitch gauges?

First, figuring from the counts you gave the stitch count is 180 (not 108) by
258. On 28 count the finished size would be 12.8 x 18.5. Your fabric is 18 x
26 inches. The generally suggested margin or edge is 3 inches each side. You
will have a total of 5.5 inches on the 12.8 width. This will be 2.75 inches
for each side. For the other width of 18.5 you will have a total of 8 inches
extra which gives you margins of 4 inches each side.

If the extra fabric is at the bottom of the cx, you might want to start 3
inches from the top then you will have 2 inches at the bottom for each stitcher
to sign it with either their name or initials and the date that part was
finished by each stitcher or the date it was presented to the fire
station...whatever your group wants to do. I love reproduction samplers and an
unsigned one seems kinda unfinished to me. Boo

I've never participated in something like this before but I'd like very much
to be included in this one.
Lucille

"Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply " wrote in
message ...
From: (Boohoo1971)

........... you might want to start 3
inches from the top then you will have 2 inches at the bottom for each
stitcher
to sign it with either their name or initials and the date that part was
finished by each stitcher or the date it was presented to the fire
station...whatever your group wants to do. I love reproduction samplers
and
an
unsigned one seems kinda unfinished to me.

Here's another idea for signing. I could make a pieced backing and we
could
have each stitcher sign the different pieces of fabric. I would be
willing to
send each person on the final list their own piece of fabric to sign and
they
could send it back to me. Any waterproof marker should work and many of
them
are archival quality today. Once the sewing is finished, the piece won't
be
washed so we really don't have to worry about waterproof anyway. It would
be
good to try and use something that is acid free and archival quality tho.
Let's have some thoughts and a bit of discussion on this too OK?
Agreed,
it's not necessary to come to a decision. It's just an idea to bounce
around.
I had thought of doing a border of the signatures but that might be too
"informal" for this angel.
I am envisioning the stitched area surrounded by some narrow silver
(would
silver & gold combined be better I wonder?) cording -- just like the
narrow
matting you see on a framed piece. Then a border of some silvery
fabric --
maybe I can find a lame' that has a soft silver-y print in it. Next, and
maybe
lastly, would be a larger cording. If people thought the names should be
on
the front, they could be added after the larger cording.
So -- what do you guys think? suggestions please -- they spur on the
creative processes. I got such GREAT ideas from everyone when I was
finishing
The Sangoma!!! You guys wouldn't believe the comments people made! I am
*sure* we can come up with something equally impressive for the Firehouse
Angel
:-)). CiaoMeow ^;;^
.

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their
WHISKERS!!
Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs!

animaux wrote:
The chart says "design size." Anyone who is on Marilyn's Garden group,
will you ask her if she means just the actual angel, or did she add
frame space. If it does include frame space of 3 inches on each side,
or not, she can tell us that too.

The design is 258 stitches high by 180 stitches wide. That's stitches
without any framing space. I have the chart in front of me. That does
not include any extra border space. There is ONLY an over-one face with
over-two everything else, so it needs to be stitched over-two on linen.

28 count over-two equals 14 over-one: 18.43 inches high by 12.86 wide
32 count over-two equals 16 over-one: 16.13 inches high by 11.25 wide
36 count over-two equals 18 over-one: 14.34 inches high by 10 wide

If your fabric is 18 by 26, you don't have a lot of extra fabric for
framing, but Tia Mary can work miracles.

Whoever stitches the face, Marilyn suggests stitching the darker colors
first and doing the lightest colors last. It seems to make a difference.

Victoria, if you have trouble finding the PB11 purple Petite Treasure
Braid, I have some. Email your snail mail address, ad I'll send it on.

--
Beth Katz

From: animaux

....... Would YOU do the honor of starting
the first "leg" and eventually it will work it's way around. ..........

First off, let me say that I have signed up for the YAHOO Group but, since
this was posted to the group, I think it needs to be answere here so that
everyone sees the discussion.
I'd be happy to be first on the list. You want me to grid the fabric too?
That might be a big help with so many people working on it. We can ask people
to work on a specific number of 10 x 10 stitch grids. If you can do more in
the time alloted before sending to the next person, well and good as that will
make up for those who are slower.
I just went and looked at the stitch count -- 180 x 258 -- which is
approximately 468 10 x 10 grid boxes. Divide that by the 15 people currently
signed up and it's about 31 boxes per person or 310 stitches each. Sounds like
a lot but it's not really. If I start at the lower right and the next person
stitches the group right next to mine it should work out OK. The slower
stitchers could work fewer boxes and the faster stitchers could work more. OH
-- have you determined what the stitch count is of the fabric???
Everyone needs to remember that this IS an even weave fabric. If you have
never worked on even weave, this might not be the project to learn on. Not to
discourage anyone but it IS a consideration so I will play Devil's Advocate.
Also, because it's an MLI, there are virtually NO partial stitches or blended
threads so that makes stitching a lot easier.
Have you determined how long each person will have the piece to work their
potrion? I'll need it for a week or so to put it together but I would be able
to tell you how big the finished hanging would be and you could be making the
shadow box while I do the finishing. That might save a bit of time.
Then we have to think about how long it will take to get it delivered. I we
have 15 people and allow a month for everyone, it's NOT gonna be ready for next
year -- more like in 2005! You have to allow for mail time too! Maybe I
should send the piece to the stitcher in the UK so it can make the trip across
the pond early on?
So many things to be decided and we haven't set needle to fabric yet :-).
If you think I should grid the fabric, just send it to me ASAP and I can get
started on that part while we iron out the rest of the plans. I would grid it
with the grid lines the same as on the chart as opposed to centering them on
the fabric. The two spots (design grid lines and center of the design) are
usually different and it IS a concern with this many people working on the
piece!!!
OK -- I'll shut up now. I am thinking of too many things to put in one post
:-))). CiaoMeow ^;;^
..

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their
WHISKERS!!
Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs!

Please do grid as described, it should make it much easier for us to
follow/find where the last person finished!
Heather

Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply wrote:

From: animaux





....... Would YOU do the honor of starting
the first "leg" and eventually it will work it's way around. ..........



First off, let me say that I have signed up for the YAHOO Group but, since
this was posted to the group, I think it needs to be answere here so that
everyone sees the discussion.
I'd be happy to be first on the list. You want me to grid the fabric too?
That might be a big help with so many people working on it. We can ask people
to work on a specific number of 10 x 10 stitch grids. If you can do more in
the time alloted before sending to the next person, well and good as that will
make up for those who are slower.
I just went and looked at the stitch count -- 180 x 258 -- which is
approximately 468 10 x 10 grid boxes. Divide that by the 15 people currently
signed up and it's about 31 boxes per person or 310 stitches each. Sounds like
a lot but it's not really. If I start at the lower right and the next person
stitches the group right next to mine it should work out OK. The slower
stitchers could work fewer boxes and the faster stitchers could work more. OH
-- have you determined what the stitch count is of the fabric???
Everyone needs to remember that this IS an even weave fabric. If you have
never worked on even weave, this might not be the project to learn on. Not to
discourage anyone but it IS a consideration so I will play Devil's Advocate.
Also, because it's an MLI, there are virtually NO partial stitches or blended
threads so that makes stitching a lot easier.
Have you determined how long each person will have the piece to work their
potrion? I'll need it for a week or so to put it together but I would be able
to tell you how big the finished hanging would be and you could be making the
shadow box while I do the finishing. That might save a bit of time.
Then we have to think about how long it will take to get it delivered. I we
have 15 people and allow a month for everyone, it's NOT gonna be ready for next
year -- more like in 2005! You have to allow for mail time too! Maybe I
should send the piece to the stitcher in the UK so it can make the trip across
the pond early on?
So many things to be decided and we haven't set needle to fabric yet :-).
If you think I should grid the fabric, just send it to me ASAP and I can get
started on that part while we iron out the rest of the plans. I would grid it
with the grid lines the same as on the chart as opposed to centering them on
the fabric. The two spots (design grid lines and center of the design) are
usually different and it IS a concern with this many people working on the
piece!!!
OK -- I'll shut up now. I am thinking of too many things to put in one post
:-))). CiaoMeow ^;;^
.

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their
WHISKERS!!
Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs!

The only problem with doing it in squares is that the demarcation
between squares might be visible on the end product. I know people have
said that they can tell whether they stitched a section horizontally or
vertically, and this seems like the same problem.

Meredith

Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply wrote:

From: animaux

....... Would YOU do the honor of starting
the first "leg" and eventually it will work it's way around. ..........

First off, let me say that I have signed up for the YAHOO Group but, since
this was posted to the group, I think it needs to be answere here so that
everyone sees the discussion.
I'd be happy to be first on the list. You want me to grid the fabric too?
That might be a big help with so many people working on it. We can ask people
to work on a specific number of 10 x 10 stitch grids. If you can do more in
the time alloted before sending to the next person, well and good as that will
make up for those who are slower.
I just went and looked at the stitch count -- 180 x 258 -- which is
approximately 468 10 x 10 grid boxes. Divide that by the 15 people currently
signed up and it's about 31 boxes per person or 310 stitches each. Sounds like
a lot but it's not really. If I start at the lower right and the next person
stitches the group right next to mine it should work out OK. The slower
stitchers could work fewer boxes and the faster stitchers could work more. OH
-- have you determined what the stitch count is of the fabric???
Everyone needs to remember that this IS an even weave fabric. If you have
never worked on even weave, this might not be the project to learn on. Not to
discourage anyone but it IS a consideration so I will play Devil's Advocate.
Also, because it's an MLI, there are virtually NO partial stitches or blended
threads so that makes stitching a lot easier.
Have you determined how long each person will have the piece to work their
potrion? I'll need it for a week or so to put it together but I would be able
to tell you how big the finished hanging would be and you could be making the
shadow box while I do the finishing. That might save a bit of time.
Then we have to think about how long it will take to get it delivered. I we
have 15 people and allow a month for everyone, it's NOT gonna be ready for next
year -- more like in 2005! You have to allow for mail time too! Maybe I
should send the piece to the stitcher in the UK so it can make the trip across
the pond early on?
So many things to be decided and we haven't set needle to fabric yet :-).
If you think I should grid the fabric, just send it to me ASAP and I can get
started on that part while we iron out the rest of the plans. I would grid it
with the grid lines the same as on the chart as opposed to centering them on
the fabric. The two spots (design grid lines and center of the design) are
usually different and it IS a concern with this many people working on the
piece!!!
OK -- I'll shut up now. I am thinking of too many things to put in one post
:-))). CiaoMeow ^;;^
.

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their
WHISKERS!!
Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs!

I'd be happy to contribute the rest of the fibers so there's no problem
with different dyelots.

Meredith

animaux wrote:

Okay, will do. The only fibers I am contributing are the Needlepaints.
Everyone else will have to donate the fiber for whatever part they stitch.
V