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Why do you feel it's up to you to ask what we want? It seems to me we've
done OK over the past few years. If you don't like how we post, maybe you should follow the suggestion to join another group. Personally, I'm sick of you posting in a policing mode. I certainly feel sorry for anyone that makes a mistake and posts something you don't feel is right. If we wanted a police state, we'd move on to another area! Gen "Diana Curtis" wrote in message ... I agree, and that is why I asked people what they wanted. I asked them to police themselves. I offered my vision of the group as a quilt lesson because this is a big part of what I get from the group, quilt instructions, and I personally find ads a disruption to the learning and the companionship from the group. I didnt speak for anyone else. I dont presume to tell others how to run their group. If you reread my post you will see that I did not tell anyone how to behave. Diana "Judy Grevenites" wrote in message ... I seldom post here anymore,--RCTQ has changed a lot and I don't particularly like the direction it is drifting in. I am getting cranky in my old age and I just don't like being irritated by people who presume to speak for everyone. Diane, you are a funny, kind and knowing person and I have enjoyed some of your posts--but you have a tendency to presume that your vision of the group is the only version. The advertising issue will always be with us because of the different perceptions of what is and isn't "selling". That, and the fact that new people are always popping in and out and haven't a clue about what "offends" us ensures that we will always have advertising. If it is something blatent we usually just ignore it--as we do the odd bit of porn that finds it's way here. If it is just a newby making a mistake, a gentle EXPLAINATION suffices. We don't need to come down on someone, wielding the sword of justice, and chop off their head If anyone is more comfortable in a moderated group---by all means, go there and enjoy. There are lot of 'em. RCTQ is self policing and we do OK. RedQueen |
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What I don't think is ok is for us to start attacking each other. I'm speaking in
generalities, but your post did spark the thought. I'm sorry if you feel like I'm singling you out. Not my intention. I think this is a controversial subject, and there has been a lot of misunderstanding, but in the big picture, is it so important? I'd much rather see us banding together making HUGs, seeing us make beautiful quilts, and speaking kindly to each other. There's enough negativity in the world, and it doesn't need to find it's way in here. I bring this up, because I just spent the last week sitting with a friend who is dying of cancer. That totally shadows anything to do with posting ads, personal preferences or annoyances. The last thing I'd want to do is belittle someone, or use my words to invalidate their feelings. I honestly know that Diana feels this way, too. Sometimes words come out wrong, and totally not as we intend them. Like for me, right now. I don't know if I'm getting my point across, but I'm doing the best I can. So....what are you working on? -- Jalynne - Keeper of the Quilt for ME club list Queen Gypsy (snail mail available upon request) see what i've been up to at www.100megsfree4.com/jalynne "Don/Gen" wrote in message ... Why do you feel it's up to you to ask what we want? It seems to me we've done OK over the past few years. If you don't like how we post, maybe you should follow the suggestion to join another group. Personally, I'm sick of you posting in a policing mode. I certainly feel sorry for anyone that makes a mistake and posts something you don't feel is right. If we wanted a police state, we'd move on to another area! Gen "Diana Curtis" wrote in message ... I agree, and that is why I asked people what they wanted. I asked them to police themselves. I offered my vision of the group as a quilt lesson because this is a big part of what I get from the group, quilt instructions, and I personally find ads a disruption to the learning and the companionship from the group. I didnt speak for anyone else. I dont presume to tell others how to run their group. If you reread my post you will see that I did not tell anyone how to behave. Diana "Judy Grevenites" wrote in message ... I seldom post here anymore,--RCTQ has changed a lot and I don't particularly like the direction it is drifting in. I am getting cranky in my old age and I just don't like being irritated by people who presume to speak for everyone. Diane, you are a funny, kind and knowing person and I have enjoyed some of your posts--but you have a tendency to presume that your vision of the group is the only version. The advertising issue will always be with us because of the different perceptions of what is and isn't "selling". That, and the fact that new people are always popping in and out and haven't a clue about what "offends" us ensures that we will always have advertising. If it is something blatent we usually just ignore it--as we do the odd bit of porn that finds it's way here. If it is just a newby making a mistake, a gentle EXPLAINATION suffices. We don't need to come down on someone, wielding the sword of justice, and chop off their head If anyone is more comfortable in a moderated group---by all means, go there and enjoy. There are lot of 'em. RCTQ is self policing and we do OK. RedQueen |
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Word and amen.
Why do you feel it's up to you to ask what we want? It seems to me we've done OK over the past few years. If you don't like how we post, maybe you should follow the suggestion to join another group. Personally, I'm sick of you posting in a policing mode. I certainly feel sorry for anyone that makes a mistake and posts something you don't feel is right. If we wanted a police state, we'd move on to another area! Gen |
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Bless you for putting the way I feel into words.
The advertising issue will always be with us because of the different perceptions of what is and isn't "selling". That, and the fact that new people are always popping in and out and haven't a clue about what "offends" us ensures that we will always have advertising. If it is something blatent we usually just ignore it--as we do the odd bit of porn that finds it's way here. If it is just a newby making a mistake, a gentle EXPLAINATION suffices. We don't need to come down on someone, wielding the sword of justice, and chop off their head If anyone is more comfortable in a moderated group---by all means, go there and enjoy. There are lot of 'em. RCTQ is self policing and we do OK. RedQueen |
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Sorry, if this was the case, her post wouldn't have been laced with hostility.
Nor would I have been given the distinct impression of someone trying to rail the rest of us into her idea of what this group is or should be. The fact that so many of us picked up on this intent in her post tells me I didn't miss the point or misunderstand anything. Perhaps the person who is missing the point is you. I think you missed Diana's point. She was trying to get us to think about it, not to enforce or define anything. |
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She was
trying to get us to think about it, What makes her (and you, apparently) believe we don't think about it? Just because the majority of us don't go into control freak mode and post tirades doesn't mean we don't think about the things that bother us here nor does it mean we don't address the issue. I myself prefer to deal with the problem in a less offensive and less intrusive manner than Diana does. That doesn't mean I'm thoughtless. you look back at a lot of her originating posts, they are often deep, thought provoking I don't like being patronized and I also don't like being told what something is. What you found deep and thought provoking I found to be aggressive and mean spirited, not to mention presumptuous and phrased in a way to inflame and hurt. Trollish behavior at the very least and I'm discouraged to see you defend and misrepresent both the actual post and the clear intention behind it. I don't post often but I read here almost every day. I am not only able to read for myself, I can also perceive and discernfor myself and I at this point, I feel compelled to speak up because I am beginning to feel railroaded by you and Diana as to what I should not only write and behave, but also as to what I should feel, say, think and believe about the things I see written here. You may not call yourself quilt police or moderators, but that surely is your implied intent and goal. To claim otherwise, no matter how articulately or eloquently, is specious and dishonest. |
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Could SOMEONE please show me where I chopped anyones head off? And just
where did I tell anyone what to think or do? Im seeing people tell me Im a nasty person and unkind. The only unkind thing Im seeing is posts from people who did not understand my original post. I didnt attack anyone. You wouldnt believe the pain this whole mess is causing me. I just do not tell people what to do. Believe it or not, the truth is the truth. When I ask my attackers where they see that I attacked anyone they fall silent. So, please, someone point this out to me? Jan, Judy, Gen? Would you please stop calling me nasty names and just explain what is really bothering you? Diana "Judy Grevenites" wrote in message ... I seldom post here anymore,--RCTQ has changed a lot and I don't particularly like the direction it is drifting in. I am getting cranky in my old age and I just don't like being irritated by people who presume to speak for everyone. Diane, you are a funny, kind and knowing person and I have enjoyed some of your posts--but you have a tendency to presume that your vision of the group is the only version. The advertising issue will always be with us because of the different perceptions of what is and isn't "selling". That, and the fact that new people are always popping in and out and haven't a clue about what "offends" us ensures that we will always have advertising. If it is something blatent we usually just ignore it--as we do the odd bit of porn that finds it's way here. If it is just a newby making a mistake, a gentle EXPLAINATION suffices. We don't need to come down on someone, wielding the sword of justice, and chop off their head If anyone is more comfortable in a moderated group---by all means, go there and enjoy. There are lot of 'em. RCTQ is self policing and we do OK. RedQueen |
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Diana dear,
May I gently suggest you do what I am about to to. Stop reading anything more that is posted in this thread. I understand, I hope, what you meant in your original post and found it innocuous and helpful. But this has gotten totally out of hand now, so I am going to let it go and I hope you will too. Move on, and go do something quilty. Me, I am off to start MQing the Sushi Car quilt. -- Anne in CA "It's not having what you want; it's wanting what you've got." -- Sheryl Crow http://home.covad.net/~arudolph/annes.htm Diana Curtis wrote: Could SOMEONE please show me where I chopped anyones head off? And just where did I tell anyone what to think or do? Im seeing people tell me Im a nasty person and unkind. The only unkind thing Im seeing is posts from people who did not understand my original post. I didnt attack anyone. You wouldnt believe the pain this whole mess is causing me. I just do not tell people what to do. Believe it or not, the truth is the truth. When I ask my attackers where they see that I attacked anyone they fall silent. So, please, someone point this out to me? Jan, Judy, Gen? Would you please stop calling me nasty names and just explain what is really bothering you? Diana "Judy Grevenites" wrote in message ... I seldom post here anymore,--RCTQ has changed a lot and I don't particularly like the direction it is drifting in. I am getting cranky in my old age and I just don't like being irritated by people who presume to speak for everyone. Diane, you are a funny, kind and knowing person and I have enjoyed some of your posts--but you have a tendency to presume that your vision of the group is the only version. The advertising issue will always be with us because of the different perceptions of what is and isn't "selling". That, and the fact that new people are always popping in and out and haven't a clue about what "offends" us ensures that we will always have advertising. If it is something blatent we usually just ignore it--as we do the odd bit of porn that finds it's way here. If it is just a newby making a mistake, a gentle EXPLAINATION suffices. We don't need to come down on someone, wielding the sword of justice, and chop off their head If anyone is more comfortable in a moderated group---by all means, go there and enjoy. There are lot of 'em. RCTQ is self policing and we do OK. RedQueen remove NOSPAM to reply |
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Diana,
don't worry, you are not nasty or unkind. You are opinnionated and you said what you think. I can totally relate to that. People don't have to do what you say, so I don't see why they get so upset by your comments.... it is not as if you are determining the direction this newsgroup goes towards. If they want to take it into a different direction, all it takes is to post different toned messages and change it! Diana Curtis wrote: Could SOMEONE please show me where I chopped anyones head off? And just where did I tell anyone what to think or do? Im seeing people tell me Im a nasty person and unkind. The only unkind thing Im seeing is posts from people who did not understand my original post. I didnt attack anyone. You wouldnt believe the pain this whole mess is causing me. I just do not tell people what to do. Believe it or not, the truth is the truth. When I ask my attackers where they see that I attacked anyone they fall silent. So, please, someone point this out to me? Jan, Judy, Gen? Would you please stop calling me nasty names and just explain what is really bothering you? Diana -- Dr. Quilter http://community.webshots.com/user/mvignali (take the dog out before replying) |
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I have to say I am a bit boggled by the amount of hostility some
people are displaying. I didn't see anything hostile about your original post. I didn't see where you attacked anyone at all. I read and post in groups where you would be reprimanded for your sympathy and tolerance had you posted the original there instead of here. I don't think anyone here has ever seen what can happen to a group if adverts are allowed to run unchecked. It is why some groups have very hardcore no commercial posts policies. With this group's subject and hierarchy I doubt we are in as much danger of what has happened to some groups on other subjects in other hierarchies, but it would be good if we all at least thought about what we consider acceptable and unacceptable as regards clearly commercial postings. I have seen groups that became so overrun by spam and adverts that they were no longer readable. It is a thing to be taken seriously. Also, people should not be encouraged to violate the TOS of their isp's or any commercial hosting sites that they use. We may be tolerant here but other groups or venues are not, and encourageing someone in that way may result in their losing their service or privleges if they try it elsewhere. Your reminder to the person posting about their Ebay auction was only reasonable. There is another (appropriate) venue for such postings and they are neither a regular here nor did they ask permission to post about their auction, so a warning with no action was only _kind_ of you. Other people in other places would have simply made a complaint that would have gotten the account cancelled. You pointed out the error with the reason instead of complaining, it was nice of you though others may disagree. If people who regularly engage in commercial activities try advertising in apparently ontopic newsgroups regularly without permission or clue, they will eventually lose their isp. It is a fact of life, we may not zap them here, but other groups will. You may not like seeing people say anything about adverts, the choice comes down to say something here or let somebody else elsewhere do something as they see fit. Which may be considerably less nice. If I may suggest, posts dealing with use policy re this usenet group should have a tag in the subject line so people may read or not as they wish, or at least know it refers to online use stuff instead of quilting. Some groups use META for such things, we could use that or come up with something as simple as POLICY, or DONTHURTME, or whatever works for an apparent majority of posters here. I have also reinserted the OT tag on this post. As others have mentioned please please avoid the the use of the colon ( : ) in your subject line as outlook express will strip anything prior to a colon in the subject line, and a lot of people use OE. The opinions expressed here are mine, YMMV. NightMist How curious, someone has run afoul of the cancelmoose On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:42:20 -0500, "Diana Curtis" wrote: Could SOMEONE please show me where I chopped anyones head off? And just where did I tell anyone what to think or do? Im seeing people tell me Im a nasty person and unkind. The only unkind thing Im seeing is posts from people who did not understand my original post. I didnt attack anyone. You wouldnt believe the pain this whole mess is causing me. I just do not tell people what to do. Believe it or not, the truth is the truth. When I ask my attackers where they see that I attacked anyone they fall silent. So, please, someone point this out to me? Jan, Judy, Gen? Would you please stop calling me nasty names and just explain what is really bothering you? Diana "Judy Grevenites" wrote in message ... I seldom post here anymore,--RCTQ has changed a lot and I don't particularly like the direction it is drifting in. I am getting cranky in my old age and I just don't like being irritated by people who presume to speak for everyone. Diane, you are a funny, kind and knowing person and I have enjoyed some of your posts--but you have a tendency to presume that your vision of the group is the only version. The advertising issue will always be with us because of the different perceptions of what is and isn't "selling". That, and the fact that new people are always popping in and out and haven't a clue about what "offends" us ensures that we will always have advertising. If it is something blatent we usually just ignore it--as we do the odd bit of porn that finds it's way here. If it is just a newby making a mistake, a gentle EXPLAINATION suffices. We don't need to come down on someone, wielding the sword of justice, and chop off their head If anyone is more comfortable in a moderated group---by all means, go there and enjoy. There are lot of 'em. RCTQ is self policing and we do OK. RedQueen -- "It's such a gamble when you get a face" - Richard Hell |
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