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Yoohoo, Mommies!
Karen C in California wrote:
In the other group, I know it's intentional. One of the other members has declared a personal vendetta on me for daring to expose the dirty little secret of the medical profession: that not all doctors are gods who walk on water, some of them are incompetent. [snipped for brevity] One of these days, it'll happen when I'm deathly ill for a couple days, and just like happened on RCTN a few years ago, it will become apparent to the whole group, not just the moderator, that the problem is not me perpetuating the battles (since I haven't posted anything at all for 2-3 days) but that the "mean girls" clique is attacking someone who isn't even there. This isn't that other group. This is RTCN. And who exactly would the "mean girls" be? Sheena, who has consistently defended you against Caryn and others? Lucille, who hasn't a mean bone in her body? Me? Ok, then. Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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Karen C in California wrote:
more time in malls than I do, though, and buy more toys for more kids, so if Webkinz are so ubiquitous, it is far more surprising that they're all completely unaware of them than that I am clueless. They are not ubiquitous, because there have always been supply issues with them (and there was a lawsuit over sales practices) and because they have never been sold at the "big box" retailers. That doesn't mean they aren't popular and selling like hotcakes. Best wishes, Ericka |
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Ericka Kammerer wrote:
Karen C in California wrote: more time in malls than I do, though, and buy more toys for more kids, so if Webkinz are so ubiquitous, it is far more surprising that they're all completely unaware of them than that I am clueless. They are not ubiquitous, because there have always been supply issues with them (and there was a lawsuit over sales practices) and because they have never been sold at the "big box" retailers. That doesn't mean they aren't popular and selling like hotcakes. In fact, I don't think anybody said they were ubiquitous. Could that possibly be a misquote? Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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Dr. Brat wrote:
your deceptive editing of a post (when you almost never bother to edit posts) Bull. I am a compulsive snipper. I rarely include an entire previous post, only the sentences I am responding to, unless the previous post is only a sentence or two. In e-groups, it's bad form to include the whole post, because those who read digest then have to slog through the same thing a dozen times, and I see no point in doing anything different here. My point was that Lucille and Sheena were not wrong in saying that "everyone they know" is on-line, in spite of your contention that grannies aren't aware of on-line trends. I never said that ALL grannies were computer-illiterate, just that I know the clientele at this particular event are not as avid computers as Sheena and Lucille and wouldn't be likely to know what's online. That "everyone they know" is online doesn't mean that every granny in the country is online; my own observation is that the majority are not. The cited statistics say that I am correct that the majority of people over age 65 are not online, no matter what small pockets in Lucille's and Sheena's areas may lead them to extrapolate about the rest of the country. The percentage may be growing, but how much of that growth is simply people from the 50-64 age range aging up into the 65+ group? As we boomers age, we'll take our 75% ownership into the 65+ group, but how many of the current seniors (who'll then be in the 75+ or 85+ group) will have added a computer to add to the ones the boomers are bringing? Those are the statistics I'd like to see -- broken out by age brackets and not lumping 65-105 together. Now, if someone took my statement about a particular group of grannies whom I know personally and you do not, to refer to every single granny out there, then the problem is in the reading, not the writing. It was, to me at least, clear that I was referring specifically to the clientele I was catering to with my booth, and not what any other grannies might or might not be interested in. I'm not selling to Sheena or Lucille, or the people in their area. I'm selling to a particular group in my area, whom I know to have expressed distrust for the internet, based on the number of scams and hacking/identity theft they hear about on the news, and disinterest in spending their money on computers because they don't know what they'd do with them, and don't spend their money on things they don't need. Obviously, if I'm referring to grannies who aren't online, and have no interest in buying a computer, I'm not referring to Sheena and Lucille. To quote from the Times article "Mrs. Daum worries that she will hit the wrong button and lose all her work, or even break the computer -- common fears among the elderly. ''This is a generation that takes things very seriously,'' Ms. Dichter said. ''The first thing they worry about is that they'll break the machine.''" Clearly, if it's a "common fear" then my mother is not the only one out there with the phobia that she'll push a wrong button and break an expensive computer. The article also cites to "peer pressure" for getting the elderly online. The converse is also true -- if almost none of your friends are online, then there is no peer pressure for you to get online. Among my parents' friends and family, the consensus is "don't need it", so there will never be peer pressure on any of them, because none of them are planning to buy a computer. Even the ones who do have computers, the computers were forced on them by their children, not something they themselves wanted or asked for. Both of them spent months avoiding the computer and still use it only grudgingly, and have no interest whatsoever in expanding their abilities beyond sending e-mails. Based on the conversation I had with my aunt after she was given the computer she didn't want, I can pretty well predict what my mother would say if I showed up on Christmas morning and installed a computer in her house -- almost word for word the rant I heard from my aunt about her kids wasting their money on something she doesn't need, when there were so many more useful things they could have bought her. Whenever I'm upgrading, I offer Mom the old one, fully expecting that she'll say no, but I'm not pushing her into the computer age the way her neighbor's kids did; my approach will always be "do you want" rather than "here it is, I don't care what you want". Since my mother knows she's never going to get an e-mail from her grandchild, I know she'd never turn it on at all, so there goes the "family pressure" notion, too. As for my other aunt, she has 3 grandchildren, and steadfastly refuses to get a computer, because all the grandkids are a free local phone call. If they have photos to share, they bring them to Sunday dinner. No e-mail required. Same for the clientele at this craft fair; for the most part, the grandkids aren't that far away that they need e-mail to communicate with them. You may be able to teach an old dog new tricks, but the dog's got to want to learn. I'm sure I could get these grannies to sign up for classes in Conversational French or Ten Afghans to Crochet or Classical Music 101. They'll come out in droves for movies, concerts, lectures, and parties (if my bus is late, I'm hard-pressed to find a seat), but if you want to teach them computing, be prepared for a long lonely wait, because it's not something they're interested in learning. Based on personal observation of this particular batch of grannies. YMMV based on the particular variety of grannies in your area. Oh, yeah, and then there's my granny-age (but not a genealogical granny) friend who lost her parents, DH and only child, and was somehow talked into getting a computer for late-night companionship since she was now "all alone in the world". After a couple months, my occasional e-mails started bouncing back; she decided she'd rather spend the money on stitchy stuff than on internet service. If she needed companionship, there was always talk radio, plus a newly-widowed friend and I had told her "call anytime, day or night". She'd had a computer at her job, and sitting in front of the computer at home just seemed too much like being at work, as well as time away from her stitching. So, there are all sorts of reasons why grannies would choose not to be online, and each person's reason "to be or not to be" is perfectly valid for themselves. -- Karen C - California Editor/Proofreader www.IntlProofingConsortium.com Finished 7/27/08 - MLI Christmas Visit WIP: Oriental Kimono (Janlynn), MLI The Teacher (gift to the library), Bethany Angel (Marbek) Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel, MLI Farmers Market CFSfacts -- where we give you the facts and dispel the myths Myths, with research cites: http://www.aacfs.org/images/pdfs/myths.pdf Newest research blog: http://journals.aol.com/kmc528/Lifeasweknowit/ |
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Dr. Brat wrote:
In fact, I don't think anybody said they were ubiquitous. Could that possibly be a misquote? It was said that I must be totally out of the loop if I don't know about them because everyone knows what they are and they're sold all over. I can go back and get the exact quote if you like. All I'm saying here is that since Mom and her friends spend so much time at the mall, I am far more surprised that they don't know about them than that I don't, since I go to the mall max 2-3 times a year, and generally dash in and out of the one store I'm there for, don't walk the entire mall like they do, looking at all the stores' displays. Last time I was at the mall, I never got out of the northwest corner, which means I was nowhere near the toy store to know what they're pushing this year. If someone wants to read a slam at themselves into the observation that Mom spends more time at the mall and should be better informed about what's "in" than I am, be my guest. It only proves that people are reading things that aren't there into simple declarative sentences. -- Karen C - California Editor/Proofreader www.IntlProofingConsortium.com Finished 7/27/08 - MLI Christmas Visit WIP: Oriental Kimono (Janlynn), MLI The Teacher (gift to the library), Bethany Angel (Marbek) Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel, MLI Farmers Market CFSfacts -- where we give you the facts and dispel the myths Myths, with research cites: http://www.aacfs.org/images/pdfs/myths.pdf Newest research blog: http://journals.aol.com/kmc528/Lifeasweknowit/ |
#176
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Yoohoo, Mommies!
Karen C in California wrote:
Dr. Brat wrote: your deceptive editing of a post (when you almost never bother to edit posts) Bull. I am a compulsive snipper. I rarely include an entire previous post, only the sentences I am responding to, unless the previous post is only a sentence or two. In e-groups, it's bad form to include the whole post, because those who read digest then have to slog through the same thing a dozen times, and I see no point in doing anything different here. Ok, perhaps I am mistaken about how often you snip, but an experienced snipper would know that you don't cut the thing the other person was responding to and that you indicate that you have made cuts if you cut text out of the body of the post or between part of a previous post and the response to it. The fact is, whether on purpose or by accident, you snipped in such a way as to make it look like I was responding to something I wasn't responding to. AND you have so far refused to take responsibility for doing so. Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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Yoohoo, Mommies!
Karen C in California wrote:
Dr. Brat wrote: In fact, I don't think anybody said they were ubiquitous. Could that possibly be a misquote? It was said that I must be totally out of the loop if I don't know about them because everyone knows what they are and they're sold all over. I can go back and get the exact quote if you like. Please do. Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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On Aug 18, 5:23 pm, lucretia borgia
wrote: Where's our Joan ! shhh....checking out what's over my shoulders Trying to stay out of this! lol Unless you really *want* me to go ask one of the Ref. librarians..... Joan going back io hiding behind that tree over there |
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