Help with old english knitting directions

Gosh Mirjam, I am quite out of breath reading all this....lol well done you

hugz cher and birthday greetings from me too, didn't know I'd missed it..



"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
C H E R !!!!! hahahahh as Usual you are hilarious .... Yesterday as
the Inciator of the Seminar called to wish me Happy holiday ,,, The
seminar is called"Pain of Flash and Blood ", An Interdisciplinary
conferece about the representation of the ill, the suffering and the
delighting body" . I want to go at least 1 day, There will be
pschologists, poets, artists [5 exhibtions by artists who are dealing
with their ailments or in general about suffer ++] Linguists , writers
, a film about a Girl who has to live in some sort of contraption,
philoshers etc... I want to go , am pushed for my time, [ anyway have
to travel by train 2 hours to and and back] , and know from experience
that sitting like this a whole day, with my hands not doing much,
isn`t me. I can listen and make some of the Long stichings i do [on
the big work] Or knit [ my son wants a second Moebious] . But In
israeli Seminars etc,,,,It isn`t done ,,,, After years of women in the
Kiboets General Assemblies knitting ... suddenly it became a no no
... I realy want to do it ,,,, And as i presented it to the Inciator
yesterday , for me it is one of the Pleasures of the Flesh ,,,, [ he
said he doesn`t mind me doing it, in fact he said he could be a Living
Show . I Said , you know people will look at me , He said he doesn`t
mind, and said why don`t i suggest it to some other colleagues who are
coming., in fact i had a feeling he likes me to do it .. So now i will
think and prepare a work i can do without much fuss [ just long
technical No counting work .] i will prepare to have one of mine ready
, i can take it and always Not do it if circumstances aren`t suitable.
Of course there will always be somebdy saying I am doing it for
attention , but i am really short for time and it helps me to
concentrate on the lectures , whose subjects are`t easy , and when
pics are shown i can stop ...
mirjam

That's great Mirjam, well we take to the old steam trains that slide
through Dorset, from Corfe Castle through to Somerset and back again, a
great friend of mine, gets you all to board with a spinning wheel and you
sit and spin and chat to sight seers, and let them have a go too...great fun
apparently, I've not done it yet but plan to this year..lol

hugz Cher




"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
Well Aaron , A "Woman knitting Over there !!! is usually not so kindly
meant , now adays , i think that is one thing That the Feministic
movement failed, It used to be the Acepted thing to knit, or handcraft
[ Idel habds etc,,,,] Than Suddenly it became unacceted or a something
only "primitive women did !!! Educated women Didn`t !!!!" .I am
getting so many people reacting to my knitting on trains , busses ,
Waiting rooms , etc,,,,, that i know it is an odity ,,,, Almost like
Breast feeding in public, Used to be done only by "Primitive women"
than became Done by all who felt like doing it. Nobody now in Westen
world would say a woman breast feeding is Primitive ..... So i really
feel it is time Public knitting or crafting should be accepted again.
The last woman who commented to me about this being "primitive" , got
an answer that my clothes Primitively better looking than her`s ,,,, i
am loosing ,my patience for all the strange remarks of people ,,,, who
don`t mind other writing on their laptops, or listening to music , or
phoning with half the world talking about Personal stuff in public ...
If this is tolerated , why isn`t my handcrafting tolerated .....
As to fellows saying something about Knitting Men ? well it is still
an odity ,,, Do it more and spread the Stiches
mirjam

I have heard blokes say, ''blimey, there's a woman knitting over there!''
However, usually the tone when they say that is not as bad as when they
say
''BLIMEY, there's a MAN knitting over there!!!'', which is what I hear
more
often : )

Aaron
"spinninglilac" wrote in message
o.uk...
Hi Mirjam,

I took some sock knitting to the pub a couple of times, if I can get the
seat near the door, where it isn't so smokey, and once I heard a guy say
to
his friend at the bar, ''blimey, theres a woman knitting over there!''
so
I
went to him and said, ''you're knowledge astounds me, that you know what
I
am doing, a pity you seem to lack tact, however, no matter, would you
like
to come and learn!'' he looked at me as if I'd gone mad, and Don the
landlord, grinned,and said, ''she does many a weird and wonderful thing
in
a pub, wait til next week, come and see what she's doing then!''
Meaning
I
was booked to entertain there and this guy obviously had never seen me
perform, but he turned up, and of course I ''got'' at him all night, now
we
are very good friends. He isn't very old, but I feel he's been
educated,
in
tact if nothing else..

hugz cher
"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
Cher and Katherine ,
I ALWAYS take some work with me , whenm i travel anywhere and esp when
i travel to Belgium ,,, My Aquaintances who wonder , where i have the
time to have knitted or embroidered `ALL THIS THINGS` , are surprised
to hear i do it on those `moments in between`,,, in the airport in the
bus , in the morning at my father`s house Before he gets up , on his
pace, or in the evenings when he goes earlier to bed... Never mind how
much i make ,,,,, "A stich + A Stich = A row + Row and before you know
it , i have an other nice item.....I also go to some conventions, and
i really hate this long Listening to lectures that sometimes, as
interesting as they are , make me sleepy or edgy ,,, my hand could
knit or embroider but people Look at me with THIS LOOK , same people
don`t hesitate to Talk in Half Loud voices which are far more
disruptive to other than my quiet knitting ... I am really seriously
considering starting to knit/embroider again in public ,,,,,
mirjam

They'll laugh the other side of their faces when you produce the
wonderful
items that you do...

hugz cher have a great time...

As I work with LONG fine steel needles, I come to understand why knitting in
public was discouraged. Long ago, much knitting was done on long steel
knitting needles. I would not want to sit next to someone that was
knitting fast and furiously with long steel needles. It would be like
sitting next to someone that had a pair of mating porcupines on their lap.
Now, I suspect the blokes that made comments about my knitting on the train
in GB had sat next to their grandmothers as children; and had been poked by
the DPN as their grandmothers knit jumpers. Those blokes probably had good
reason to think there was something rude about knitting in public. On the
other hand, Californians do not make comments about my knitting, because as
children, they never had to sit next to flailing DPN.

Moreover, in the old days, yarn may not have been so clean. Sheep farms and
wool mills were not traditionally clean places, and who knew where the yarn
had been. Working with yarn of unknown cleanliness in a pub around food and
drink, or leaving lint in public spaces would have not make knitters too
popular.

But, now we have circular needles and single point flexible needles, so
public safety is not so much an issue. Now, we have cleaner yarns. So I no
longer see valid reasons for not knitting in public. But, I do understand
the cultural bias against knitting in public. There was a time when it had a
practical basis.

Aaron
"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
Well Aaron , A "Woman knitting Over there !!! is usually not so kindly
meant , now adays , i think that is one thing That the Feministic
movement failed, It used to be the Acepted thing to knit, or handcraft
[ Idel habds etc,,,,] Than Suddenly it became unacceted or a something
only "primitive women did !!! Educated women Didn`t !!!!" .I am
getting so many people reacting to my knitting on trains , busses ,
Waiting rooms , etc,,,,, that i know it is an odity ,,,, Almost like
Breast feeding in public, Used to be done only by "Primitive women"
than became Done by all who felt like doing it. Nobody now in Westen
world would say a woman breast feeding is Primitive ..... So i really
feel it is time Public knitting or crafting should be accepted again.
The last woman who commented to me about this being "primitive" , got
an answer that my clothes Primitively better looking than her`s ,,,, i
am loosing ,my patience for all the strange remarks of people ,,,, who
don`t mind other writing on their laptops, or listening to music , or
phoning with half the world talking about Personal stuff in public ...
If this is tolerated , why isn`t my handcrafting tolerated .....
As to fellows saying something about Knitting Men ? well it is still
an odity ,,, Do it more and spread the Stiches
mirjam

I have heard blokes say, ''blimey, there's a woman knitting over there!''
However, usually the tone when they say that is not as bad as when they
say
''BLIMEY, there's a MAN knitting over there!!!'', which is what I hear
more
often : )

Aaron
"spinninglilac" wrote in message
.uk...
Hi Mirjam,

I took some sock knitting to the pub a couple of times, if I can get
the
seat near the door, where it isn't so smokey, and once I heard a guy
say
to
his friend at the bar, ''blimey, theres a woman knitting over there!''
so
I
went to him and said, ''you're knowledge astounds me, that you know
what I
am doing, a pity you seem to lack tact, however, no matter, would you
like
to come and learn!'' he looked at me as if I'd gone mad, and Don the
landlord, grinned,and said, ''she does many a weird and wonderful
thing
in
a pub, wait til next week, come and see what she's doing then!''
Meaning
I
was booked to entertain there and this guy obviously had never seen me
perform, but he turned up, and of course I ''got'' at him all night,
now
we
are very good friends. He isn't very old, but I feel he's been
educated,
in
tact if nothing else..

hugz cher
"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
Cher and Katherine ,
I ALWAYS take some work with me , whenm i travel anywhere and esp
when
i travel to Belgium ,,, My Aquaintances who wonder , where i have the
time to have knitted or embroidered `ALL THIS THINGS` , are
surprised
to hear i do it on those `moments in between`,,, in the airport in
the
bus , in the morning at my father`s house Before he gets up , on his
pace, or in the evenings when he goes earlier to bed... Never mind
how
much i make ,,,,, "A stich + A Stich = A row + Row and before you
know
it , i have an other nice item.....I also go to some conventions, and
i really hate this long Listening to lectures that sometimes, as
interesting as they are , make me sleepy or edgy ,,, my hand could
knit or embroider but people Look at me with THIS LOOK , same people
don`t hesitate to Talk in Half Loud voices which are far more
disruptive to other than my quiet knitting ... I am really seriously
considering starting to knit/embroider again in public ,,,,,
mirjam

They'll laugh the other side of their faces when you produce the
wonderful
items that you do...

hugz cher have a great time...

Aaron,

There may be a generation gap, but when I grew up, everyone knitted in the
train or tram, or bus. When you see the Agatha Christie movies, no matter
who has the lead role, all the Miss Marples knitted where ever they went.
It was very common, in Europe that knitting was done in public. I am
talking about 1920- 1930- 1940 etc. There may have been a period that
there was not that much knitting going on 1980, however I still think that
there was a solid core of knitters at all times. I moved to Toronto in
1957, at 21 years old. The subways were build during that time and when I
traveled, on the subway, streetcar, and bus, I would see the same European
woman knit or crochet, having the ball of yarn sitting in a bag on their
laps.

When knitting was done with (unwashed ??? homespun yarn, as you relate) I
would think that public travel was not as common, and that we are talking
a much earlier timespan, when yarns where not mass produced. Wool mills
may have been dirty places, but I am sure that the fibers where always
washed before they were processed, it would have just been to costly, to
have to repair the machinery, that would get clogged up with animal oils,
dirt and vegetable materials, to not wash the fibers first. At the same
time, i would think that those yarns were destined for more mass
production of clothing and bedding etc. I do not think that you could buy
factory produced yarns in retail stores.

In general it was and is accepted to knit or embroider, or crochet in
public. Maybe a rude or ill mannered person would and will make a
comment, but in the broader sense, I have never heard a comment or public
outing of negativeness about knitting in public. It may have been a class
thing at one time who did and who did not knit in public, but even that, I
think was not a big issue. I think you encountered some rude people who
not necessarily represent all of England. I think that there is a video
of Kaffe Fasset, sitting knitting in a train in England. He did get some
commence, but more on "what are you doing" and " what are you making", and
that ended up in impromptu knitting lesson on the spot.

Els



In article ,
wrote:

As I work with LONG fine steel needles, I come to understand why knitting in
public was discouraged. Long ago, much knitting was done on long steel
knitting needles. I would not want to sit next to someone that was
knitting fast and furiously with long steel needles. It would be like
sitting next to someone that had a pair of mating porcupines on their lap.
Now, I suspect the blokes that made comments about my knitting on the train
in GB had sat next to their grandmothers as children; and had been poked by
the DPN as their grandmothers knit jumpers. Those blokes probably had good
reason to think there was something rude about knitting in public. On the
other hand, Californians do not make comments about my knitting, because as
children, they never had to sit next to flailing DPN.

Moreover, in the old days, yarn may not have been so clean. Sheep farms and
wool mills were not traditionally clean places, and who knew where the yarn
had been. Working with yarn of unknown cleanliness in a pub around food and
drink, or leaving lint in public spaces would have not make knitters too
popular.

But, now we have circular needles and single point flexible needles, so
public safety is not so much an issue. Now, we have cleaner yarns. So I no
longer see valid reasons for not knitting in public. But, I do understand
the cultural bias against knitting in public. There was a time when it had a
practical basis.

Aaron
"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
Well Aaron , A "Woman knitting Over there !!! is usually not so kindly
meant , now adays , i think that is one thing That the Feministic
movement failed, It used to be the Acepted thing to knit, or handcraft
[ Idel habds etc,,,,] Than Suddenly it became unacceted or a something
only "primitive women did !!! Educated women Didn`t !!!!" .I am
getting so many people reacting to my knitting on trains , busses ,
Waiting rooms , etc,,,,, that i know it is an odity ,,,, Almost like
Breast feeding in public, Used to be done only by "Primitive women"
than became Done by all who felt like doing it. Nobody now in Westen
world would say a woman breast feeding is Primitive ..... So i really
feel it is time Public knitting or crafting should be accepted again.
The last woman who commented to me about this being "primitive" , got
an answer that my clothes Primitively better looking than her`s ,,,, i
am loosing ,my patience for all the strange remarks of people ,,,, who
don`t mind other writing on their laptops, or listening to music , or
phoning with half the world talking about Personal stuff in public ...
If this is tolerated , why isn`t my handcrafting tolerated .....
As to fellows saying something about Knitting Men ? well it is still
an odity ,,, Do it more and spread the Stiches
mirjam

I have heard blokes say, ''blimey, there's a woman knitting over there!''
However, usually the tone when they say that is not as bad as when they
say
''BLIMEY, there's a MAN knitting over there!!!'', which is what I hear
more
often : )

Aaron
"spinninglilac" wrote in message
.uk...
Hi Mirjam,

I took some sock knitting to the pub a couple of times, if I can get
the
seat near the door, where it isn't so smokey, and once I heard a guy
say
to
his friend at the bar, ''blimey, theres a woman knitting over there!''
so
I
went to him and said, ''you're knowledge astounds me, that you know
what I
am doing, a pity you seem to lack tact, however, no matter, would you
like
to come and learn!'' he looked at me as if I'd gone mad, and Don the
landlord, grinned,and said, ''she does many a weird and wonderful
thing
in
a pub, wait til next week, come and see what she's doing then!''
Meaning
I
was booked to entertain there and this guy obviously had never seen me
perform, but he turned up, and of course I ''got'' at him all night,
now
we
are very good friends. He isn't very old, but I feel he's been
educated,
in
tact if nothing else..

hugz cher
"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
Cher and Katherine ,
I ALWAYS take some work with me , whenm i travel anywhere and esp
when
i travel to Belgium ,,, My Aquaintances who wonder , where i have the
time to have knitted or embroidered `ALL THIS THINGS` , are
surprised
to hear i do it on those `moments in between`,,, in the airport in
the
bus , in the morning at my father`s house Before he gets up , on his
pace, or in the evenings when he goes earlier to bed... Never mind
how
much i make ,,,,, "A stich + A Stich = A row + Row and before you
know
it , i have an other nice item.....I also go to some conventions, and
i really hate this long Listening to lectures that sometimes, as
interesting as they are , make me sleepy or edgy ,,, my hand could
knit or embroider but people Look at me with THIS LOOK , same people
don`t hesitate to Talk in Half Loud voices which are far more
disruptive to other than my quiet knitting ... I am really seriously
considering starting to knit/embroider again in public ,,,,,
mirjam

They'll laugh the other side of their faces when you produce the
wonderful
items that you do...

hugz cher have a great time...

No birthday Dear Cher only Holiday greetings ,,, and wht are you
breathless ??????

Gosh Mirjam, I am quite out of breath reading all this....lol well done you

hugz cher and birthday greetings from me too, didn't know I'd missed it..



"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
C H E R !!!!! hahahahh as Usual you are hilarious .... Yesterday as
the Inciator of the Seminar called to wish me Happy holiday ,,, The
seminar is called"Pain of Flash and Blood ", An Interdisciplinary
conferece about the representation of the ill, the suffering and the
delighting body" . I want to go at least 1 day, There will be
pschologists, poets, artists [5 exhibtions by artists who are dealing
with their ailments or in general about suffer ++] Linguists , writers
, a film about a Girl who has to live in some sort of contraption,
philoshers etc... I want to go , am pushed for my time, [ anyway have
to travel by train 2 hours to and and back] , and know from experience
that sitting like this a whole day, with my hands not doing much,
isn`t me. I can listen and make some of the Long stichings i do [on
the big work] Or knit [ my son wants a second Moebious] . But In
israeli Seminars etc,,,,It isn`t done ,,,, After years of women in the
Kiboets General Assemblies knitting ... suddenly it became a no no
... I realy want to do it ,,,, And as i presented it to the Inciator
yesterday , for me it is one of the Pleasures of the Flesh ,,,, [ he
said he doesn`t mind me doing it, in fact he said he could be a Living
Show . I Said , you know people will look at me , He said he doesn`t
mind, and said why don`t i suggest it to some other colleagues who are
coming., in fact i had a feeling he likes me to do it .. So now i will
think and prepare a work i can do without much fuss [ just long
technical No counting work .] i will prepare to have one of mine ready
, i can take it and always Not do it if circumstances aren`t suitable.
Of course there will always be somebdy saying I am doing it for
attention , but i am really short for time and it helps me to
concentrate on the lectures , whose subjects are`t easy , and when
pics are shown i can stop ...
mirjam

Aaron i never had long steel needles , nore had my mother or
grandmother, Nore for that matter can i recall long steel needles.
in the 50s , 60s 70s , it was common to see women [ in winter[ knit
every where ,,, than it became somehing Not done , it is a combination
of The Feministic rise + commercial stuff + more women working outside
... mnay in tiresome typing pools or factories ,,,, I don`t think that
anybody of the age group you speak about would have such a
recollection as you try to give here ....
mirjam

As I work with LONG fine steel needles, I come to understand why knitting in
public was discouraged. Long ago, much knitting was done on long steel
knitting needles. I would not want to sit next to someone that was
knitting fast and furiously with long steel needles. It would be like
sitting next to someone that had a pair of mating porcupines on their lap.
Now, I suspect the blokes that made comments about my knitting on the train
in GB had sat next to their grandmothers as children; and had been poked by
the DPN as their grandmothers knit jumpers. Those blokes probably had good
reason to think there was something rude about knitting in public. On the
other hand, Californians do not make comments about my knitting, because as
children, they never had to sit next to flailing DPN.

Moreover, in the old days, yarn may not have been so clean. Sheep farms and
wool mills were not traditionally clean places, and who knew where the yarn
had been. Working with yarn of unknown cleanliness in a pub around food and
drink, or leaving lint in public spaces would have not make knitters too
popular.

But, now we have circular needles and single point flexible needles, so
public safety is not so much an issue. Now, we have cleaner yarns. So I no
longer see valid reasons for not knitting in public. But, I do understand
the cultural bias against knitting in public. There was a time when it had a
practical basis.

Aaron
"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
Well Aaron , A "Woman knitting Over there !!! is usually not so kindly
meant , now adays , i think that is one thing That the Feministic
movement failed, It used to be the Acepted thing to knit, or handcraft
[ Idel habds etc,,,,] Than Suddenly it became unacceted or a something
only "primitive women did !!! Educated women Didn`t !!!!" .I am
getting so many people reacting to my knitting on trains , busses ,
Waiting rooms , etc,,,,, that i know it is an odity ,,,, Almost like
Breast feeding in public, Used to be done only by "Primitive women"
than became Done by all who felt like doing it. Nobody now in Westen
world would say a woman breast feeding is Primitive ..... So i really
feel it is time Public knitting or crafting should be accepted again.
The last woman who commented to me about this being "primitive" , got
an answer that my clothes Primitively better looking than her`s ,,,, i
am loosing ,my patience for all the strange remarks of people ,,,, who
don`t mind other writing on their laptops, or listening to music , or
phoning with half the world talking about Personal stuff in public ...
If this is tolerated , why isn`t my handcrafting tolerated .....
As to fellows saying something about Knitting Men ? well it is still
an odity ,,, Do it more and spread the Stiches
mirjam

I have heard blokes say, ''blimey, there's a woman knitting over there!''
However, usually the tone when they say that is not as bad as when they
say
''BLIMEY, there's a MAN knitting over there!!!'', which is what I hear
more
often : )

Aaron
"spinninglilac" wrote in message
.uk...
Hi Mirjam,

I took some sock knitting to the pub a couple of times, if I can get
the
seat near the door, where it isn't so smokey, and once I heard a guy
say
to
his friend at the bar, ''blimey, theres a woman knitting over there!''
so
I
went to him and said, ''you're knowledge astounds me, that you know
what I
am doing, a pity you seem to lack tact, however, no matter, would you
like
to come and learn!'' he looked at me as if I'd gone mad, and Don the
landlord, grinned,and said, ''she does many a weird and wonderful
thing
in
a pub, wait til next week, come and see what she's doing then!''
Meaning
I
was booked to entertain there and this guy obviously had never seen me
perform, but he turned up, and of course I ''got'' at him all night,
now
we
are very good friends. He isn't very old, but I feel he's been
educated,
in
tact if nothing else..

hugz cher
"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
Cher and Katherine ,
I ALWAYS take some work with me , whenm i travel anywhere and esp
when
i travel to Belgium ,,, My Aquaintances who wonder , where i have the
time to have knitted or embroidered `ALL THIS THINGS` , are
surprised
to hear i do it on those `moments in between`,,, in the airport in
the
bus , in the morning at my father`s house Before he gets up , on his
pace, or in the evenings when he goes earlier to bed... Never mind
how
much i make ,,,,, "A stich + A Stich = A row + Row and before you
know
it , i have an other nice item.....I also go to some conventions, and
i really hate this long Listening to lectures that sometimes, as
interesting as they are , make me sleepy or edgy ,,, my hand could
knit or embroider but people Look at me with THIS LOOK , same people
don`t hesitate to Talk in Half Loud voices which are far more
disruptive to other than my quiet knitting ... I am really seriously
considering starting to knit/embroider again in public ,,,,,
mirjam

They'll laugh the other side of their faces when you produce the
wonderful
items that you do...

hugz cher have a great time...

I happen to know people who play football and embroider , and i know
lawyers who pick a fight [because of a prejudice] without a drop of
alcohol.I think Aaron that generalizing like this is no better than
saying :Blime there is a man knitting !!!" .
mirjam
Mostly it was a comment that I head from guys in football jerseys drinking
beer on trains in GB. I do not hear it around California. Maybe because
most men in California do not know what knitting is? Maybe, because I live
close to SF and folk around here are tolerant? Maybe because several of my
friends are attorneys, and no footballer, no matter how stupid drunk, wants
to pick a fight with a pack of divorce lawyers?

Aaron

" YarnWright" wrote in message
...
on this side of the pond, Aaron, you'd hear it in more expletive terms,
LOL

(s-o-b, there's a MAN knitting over there..... holey sXit, there's a Man
knitting over there)

Noreen


wrote in message
et...
I have heard blokes say, ''blimey, there's a woman knitting over there!''
However, usually the tone when they say that is not as bad as when they
say
''BLIMEY, there's a MAN knitting over there!!!'', which is what I hear
more
often : )

Aaron
"spinninglilac" wrote in message
. uk...
Hi Mirjam,

I took some sock knitting to the pub a couple of times, if I can get
the
seat near the door, where it isn't so smokey, and once I heard a guy
say
to
his friend at the bar, ''blimey, theres a woman knitting over there!''
so
I
went to him and said, ''you're knowledge astounds me, that you know
what
I
am doing, a pity you seem to lack tact, however, no matter, would you
like
to come and learn!'' he looked at me as if I'd gone mad, and Don the
landlord, grinned,and said, ''she does many a weird and wonderful
thing
in
a pub, wait til next week, come and see what she's doing then!''
Meaning
I
was booked to entertain there and this guy obviously had never seen me
perform, but he turned up, and of course I ''got'' at him all night,
now
we
are very good friends. He isn't very old, but I feel he's been
educated,
in
tact if nothing else..

hugz cher
"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
Cher and Katherine ,
I ALWAYS take some work with me , whenm i travel anywhere and esp
when
i travel to Belgium ,,, My Aquaintances who wonder , where i have the
time to have knitted or embroidered `ALL THIS THINGS` , are
surprised
to hear i do it on those `moments in between`,,, in the airport in
the
bus , in the morning at my father`s house Before he gets up , on his
pace, or in the evenings when he goes earlier to bed... Never mind
how
much i make ,,,,, "A stich + A Stich = A row + Row and before you
know
it , i have an other nice item.....I also go to some conventions, and
i really hate this long Listening to lectures that sometimes, as
interesting as they are , make me sleepy or edgy ,,, my hand could
knit or embroider but people Look at me with THIS LOOK , same people
don`t hesitate to Talk in Half Loud voices which are far more
disruptive to other than my quiet knitting ... I am really seriously
considering starting to knit/embroider again in public ,,,,,
mirjam

They'll laugh the other side of their faces when you produce the
wonderful
items that you do...

hugz cher have a great time...

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:12:01 GMT, spewed forth :

As I work with LONG fine steel needles, I come to understand why knitting in
public was discouraged. Long ago, much knitting was done on long steel
knitting needles. I would not want to sit next to someone that was
knitting fast and furiously with long steel needles. It would be like
sitting next to someone that had a pair of mating porcupines on their lap.
Now, I suspect the blokes that made comments about my knitting on the train
in GB had sat next to their grandmothers as children; and had been poked by
the DPN as their grandmothers knit jumpers. Those blokes probably had good
reason to think there was something rude about knitting in public. On the
other hand, Californians do not make comments about my knitting, because as
children, they never had to sit next to flailing DPN.

I think there's got to be some generational gappage going on
somewhere. When I was growing up women my mother's age (post-WW2
children) didn't knit/crochet/sew yadda yadda because it was
inconvenient. They were working women and could purchase made things.
I learned crochet, knitting, embroidery, tatting and rudimentary
sewing from my granny, who was born in 1919 and remembers quite well
the prospect of going naked or making it oneself.

I have several books containing photos of "generic British women"
going about their daily business with knitting in hand - usually on
foot or perhaps riding on the back of a cart bound for market.
They're using long needles, sure, but they're not stacked like
sardines in the Tube doing it, either.

Speaking of Tube Sardines, I wonder how that bloke's foot is who tried
to feel me up in the District Line ... I mashed his instep fair and
square and didn't he yelp, too!

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This practice has cut my spam by more than 95%.
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In article ,
(Mirjam Bruck-Cohen) wrote:

Aaron i never had long steel needles , nore had my mother or
grandmother, Nore for that matter can i recall long steel needles.
in the 50s , 60s 70s , it was common to see women [ in winter[ knit
every where ,,, than it became somehing Not done , it is a combination
of The Feministic rise + commercial stuff + more women working outside
.. mnay in tiresome typing pools or factories ,,,, I don`t think that
anybody of the age group you speak about would have such a
recollection as you try to give here ....
mirjam


Mirjam, I have a pair of very fine long steel needles, but they are from
the late 1800. My mother had lots of wooden needles. The DP sock needles
she and my mother in law used where short and indeed from steel. Later on
they were all from some sort of plastic. My mother and Otto's mother
never used circular needles. Otto's mother died in 1991 and My mother in
1988. I did not start to use circular needles until the early 1990. True
they are mush easier to use, but still the regular needles work well any
time. However I have never had anyone complain to me, about using any
kind of knitting needles in public. Any time I have been doing any kind
of textile techniques in public, I have been asked questions and have been
shown interest in what I was, and still today, am doing. Lucky me, I have
never met up with rude people while demonstrating or just braiding or
knitting in public. I think it is just the opposite for me, each and every
time it has been an opportunity to share and get to know folks. For
instance, on our way home from Toronto, we had a couple of hours stop over
in Calgary. When I took out my braiding a woman came over and sat next to
me, wanting to know what I was doing. We started to talk, and while I
showed her the simple steps of a Kongo Gumi Braid, she told me that she
was going to visit her daughter who just had a new baby. Turned out she
also lived on Vancouver Island and knew many of the Guild members in
Nanaimo, who I also knew as weaving and spinning friends. I gave her my
start of the kumihimo braid and told her to come and see me if she had
problems. Just two days ago she E-mailed me about her new grand child and
her progress with the braiding. Big smile, right......LOL

Els

In article , Wooly
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:12:01 GMT, spewed forth :

As I work with LONG fine steel needles, I come to understand why knitting in
public was discouraged. Long ago, much knitting was done on long steel
knitting needles. I would not want to sit next to someone that was
knitting fast and furiously with long steel needles. It would be like
sitting next to someone that had a pair of mating porcupines on their lap.
Now, I suspect the blokes that made comments about my knitting on the train
in GB had sat next to their grandmothers as children; and had been poked by
the DPN as their grandmothers knit jumpers. Those blokes probably had good
reason to think there was something rude about knitting in public. On the
other hand, Californians do not make comments about my knitting, because as
children, they never had to sit next to flailing DPN.

I think there's got to be some generational gappage going on
somewhere. When I was growing up women my mother's age (post-WW2
children) didn't knit/crochet/sew yadda yadda because it was
inconvenient. They were working women and could purchase made things.
I learned crochet, knitting, embroidery, tatting and rudimentary
sewing from my granny, who was born in 1919 and remembers quite well
the prospect of going naked or making it oneself.

I have several books containing photos of "generic British women"
going about their daily business with knitting in hand - usually on
foot or perhaps riding on the back of a cart bound for market.
They're using long needles, sure, but they're not stacked like
sardines in the Tube doing it, either.

Speaking of Tube Sardines, I wonder how that bloke's foot is who tried
to feel me up in the District Line ... I mashed his instep fair and
square and didn't he yelp, too!


Wooly you make me smile......good for you, stamping on his foot. He got
of easy, I would have kneed him in the groin, and yelled at him at the
same time, the nerve of him

Els