Uranium Glass

I would have a hard time understanding how pressing glass into a
handmade mold is somehow less artistic than, say, pate de verre or
kilnforming.

-Kalera

Mike Firth wrote:

Only if you displayed the mold with the pieces, and then maybe not.
I am not sure what pressed art glass would mean - I hope it is something
beyond putting a glob of glass in a mold and pressing into shape. In the
past, some blown pieces used pressed glass for the foot or lid.

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:37:48 -0800, Kalera Stratton
wrote:

I would have a hard time understanding how pressing glass into a
handmade mold is somehow less artistic than, say, pate de verre or
kilnforming.

-Kalera

I have seen 4 or 5 booths in the last couple of years
that had scads of glass shapes that they were selling
very cheaply. I asked how they did it, one artist to
another, I was told they used cast iron baking molds.
Buy them in any good cookware shop. They come
in all kinds of shapes.
I know that almost everybody that does shows
needs an inexpensive item that covers their expenses,
but it seems like cheating to me.....
Barbara
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Barbara Otterson wrote:

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:37:48 -0800, Kalera Stratton
wrote:

I would have a hard time understanding how pressing glass into a
handmade mold is somehow less artistic than, say, pate de verre or
kilnforming.

-Kalera

I have seen 4 or 5 booths in the last couple of years
that had scads of glass shapes that they were selling
very cheaply. I asked how they did it, one artist to
another, I was told they used cast iron baking molds.
Buy them in any good cookware shop. They come
in all kinds of shapes.
I know that almost everybody that does shows
needs an inexpensive item that covers their expenses,
but it seems like cheating to me.....
Barbara
Dream Master
www.dreamweaverstudio.com

If you want to make God laugh, tell him your future
plans.
Woody Allen

I see pressed glass as being the various plates that are so common in
thrift stores, flower petals, etc. Mass production by factory workers.
Individual pieces, no individual "hands on".
--
Jack


http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xmissionbobo/

Using a pre-made mold would be more craft than art, but with a hand-made
mold, it's a different ball of wax.

-Kalera

Barbara Otterson wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:37:48 -0800, Kalera Stratton
wrote:


I would have a hard time understanding how pressing glass into a
handmade mold is somehow less artistic than, say, pate de verre or
kilnforming.

-Kalera


I have seen 4 or 5 booths in the last couple of years
that had scads of glass shapes that they were selling
very cheaply. I asked how they did it, one artist to
another, I was told they used cast iron baking molds.
Buy them in any good cookware shop. They come
in all kinds of shapes.
I know that almost everybody that does shows
needs an inexpensive item that covers their expenses,
but it seems like cheating to me.....
Barbara
Dream Master
www.dreamweaverstudio.com

If you want to make God laugh, tell him your future
plans.
Woody Allen

What's mass-produced about a handmade mold? And would you also bar pate
de verre and fused glass from the "art" category because they, too, use
a mold?

To me, what should distinguish it as "art" would be whether the mold is
handmade and unique, or in the case of fusing, it would depend on the
layup... and there's a lot of grey area there. Barring an entire categoy
smacks of laziness and ignorance; perhaps the judges aren't qualified to
distinguish pressed glass "art" from pressed glass "craft". I think it's
sad, because there certainly is't much original pressed glass art, and
it's an area I'd like to see encouraged rather than dismissed.

-Kalera

BrooklynBabe wrote:

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:37:48 -0800, Kalera Stratton
wrote:


I would have a hard time understanding how pressing glass into a
handmade mold is somehow less artistic than, say, pate de verre or
kilnforming.



It's mass production, essentially, which is the antithesis of craft.

.BB.

If I like the looks of it IT IS ART! If I don't like it,
I DON"T go around telling everybody else that
the piece is no good. ART is in the eye of the
beholder - just like observing a good looking
woman. I won't address the male side of the
question, as I'm not a good judge of male
pulchritude (sp)!

Hal

"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...
Using a pre-made mold would be more craft than art, but with a hand-made
mold, it's a different ball of wax.

-Kalera

Barbara Otterson wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:37:48 -0800, Kalera Stratton

wrote:


I would have a hard time understanding how pressing glass into a
handmade mold is somehow less artistic than, say, pate de verre or
kilnforming.

-Kalera


I have seen 4 or 5 booths in the last couple of years
that had scads of glass shapes that they were selling
very cheaply. I asked how they did it, one artist to
another, I was told they used cast iron baking molds.
Buy them in any good cookware shop. They come
in all kinds of shapes.
I know that almost everybody that does shows
needs an inexpensive item that covers their expenses,
but it seems like cheating to me.....
Barbara
Dream Master
www.dreamweaverstudio.com

If you want to make God laugh, tell him your future
plans.
Woody Allen

What is behind this question of handmade and massproduced?
It is a long time since I last read a handmade book but many of the printed ones
were better.
I do appreciate live music but mainly listen to CD's that are machine pressed in
ready-made molds.
Most bronze sculptures are produced in limited or unlimited editions by foundries.

Some classical pieces of Aalto or Wirkkala glassbvare factory produced over
decades.
The design is art. The pieces do not carry the names of factory workers.

-lauri

Kalera Stratton wrote:

Using a pre-made mold would be more craft than art, but with a hand-made
mold, it's a different ball of wax.

-Kalera

Barbara Otterson wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:37:48 -0800, Kalera Stratton
wrote:


I would have a hard time understanding how pressing glass into a
handmade mold is somehow less artistic than, say, pate de verre or
kilnforming.

-Kalera


I have seen 4 or 5 booths in the last couple of years
that had scads of glass shapes that they were selling
very cheaply. I asked how they did it, one artist to
another, I was told they used cast iron baking molds.
Buy them in any good cookware shop. They come
in all kinds of shapes.
I know that almost everybody that does shows
needs an inexpensive item that covers their expenses,
but it seems like cheating to me.....
Barbara
Dream Master
www.dreamweaverstudio.com

If you want to make God laugh, tell him your future
plans.
Woody Allen

BrooklynBabe wrote:

says...
What's mass-produced about a handmade mold? And would you also bar pate
de verre and fused glass from the "art" category because they, too, use
a mold?
Barring an entire categoy
smacks of laziness and ignorance; perhaps the judges aren't qualified to
distinguish pressed glass "art" from pressed glass "craft".

And you are, even though you had to ask here what pressed glass _is_. I
see.

Lots of hot glass tools (wood blocks and newspaper pads, certainly) are
initially hand-made or hand-designed. But none of the other handmade
tools enables an unskilled worker to recreate an exact replica, again
and again, of a given form. That's factory work. It doesn't require
skill or talent or much of anything besides molten glass to be poured
and a mold to be upended into a lehr.

.BB.

By your definition, a print from an MC Escher woodcut wouldn't be
considered art.
--
Jack

Some time after the original thread, it has occurred to me that these
people may be banning the increasingly popular method of dropping molten
glass on a marver and pressing a design into it - in other words a cookie
with a pattern. These would certainly be cheap and not look creative to
most people. Mine look like this
http://users.ticnet.com/mikefirth/neckmold.htm#STAMPS

--
Mike Firth
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"Michele Blank" wrote in message
...
do you happen to have a quotable definition of 'pressed glass' ? One show
i
do has suddenly added that to the list of 'not acceptable to
exhibit'......
thanks, m

"BrooklynBabe" wrote in message
k.net...

It's the same thing. Glassworkers call it uranium glass, collectors
(particularly of presssd glass) call it vaseline glass.

.BB.