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julia sidebottom wrote:

Kate Dicey wrote:
I think I'm bashing my head against a brick wall with this one. It
really doesn't matter what people said to you off the group - that's
quite irrelevant to my point. You made an error and trod on peoples
toes. You compounded the error with attempts to tell us we were wrong,
and we are not. The charter forbids advertising IN ANY FORM, and
offering thing for sale (that is, in exchange for money) is
advertising.
clipped gently

Kate what charter? Like I said earlier I have may not have the same
information on ng's as others. It would be nice that I am not totally
losing my mind. ???? thanks
juliasb

If you look at Larissa's post with the specific charter for this group,
it isn't mentioned, though the 'on topic' subjects are, but if you look
at this: http://www.faqs.org/usenet/ and see under the heading
'Advertising on Usenet: How To Do It, How Not To Do It', you will find
the fololowing:-

"Advertising is widely seen as an 'off-topic' intrusion into the
discussions of any particular news group (news group is the Usenet word
for
discussion group or bulletin board). Each newsgroups has a specific set
of
subjects it is intended to cover, and in order for newsgroups to
function
as effective discussion forums, it is important that people stay
'on-topic'. If everyone disregarded the particular topics each
newsgroups
is intended to cover and simply posted whatever they wanted wherever
they
want, the entire system would break down.

Due to the decentralized nature of Usenet, there is no one person or
body
which can "enforce" the custom of staying on-topic. It falls on each
user to help preserve the culture of open discussion and free speech
that
Usenet has come to embody by not posting off-topic material.

This, of course, includes advertising. Advertising is by far the most
pervasive form of off-topic posting, and therefore, gets most of the
heat."

There is more on the right and wrong ways to advertise on Usenet.

It has been an accepted custom from the inception of this particular
news group that advertising at all in any form is definitely unwelcome.
There have been numerous discussions, heated arguments, and even flaming
sessions here about this issue. The result has always been the same: NO
ads. As a group, we have been rigerous in our efforts to keep
advertising out of this news group. Sometimes those efforts have been
less than diplomatic. I try hard to remain polite, and I'd be the first
to admit that I fail at times. In the present weather conditions it is
hard to stay calm and not be seriously irritated when yet another person
introduces themselves with an ad.

I din't join in the start of this one, but I did send a little note to
an advertizer in another couple of no ads groups that said:

'Ad snipped...

Please do not send ads to these group. They are NEWS ONLY groups. The
correct place for ads is eBay or a market place group.

Advertising in a news group will lose you potential sales.

Good luck with your correctly placed ads.'
--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

same gut feeling here.... mmmhhhhh

by the way, I just spent a lot of money on my lawyer for the green card.
if you each send me 10 bucks, I'll send you a 4" square of fabric.... )

Ellison wrote:
Howdy1
You wouldn't be trying to fool us now, would you, Cheyne?
You wouldn't want to cheat a bunch of nice little ol' quilters, right?

If it sounds like bull, and it does....

Ragmop/Sandy--this is my opinion, of course--YMMV

"Cheyne" wrote in message
om...

Please read this fully...... Thank you for your time!

My name is Cheyne, the eldest daughter of my mom. Growing up my mom
has always had problems with her weight but the past few years, things
have gotten bad for her. After having an emergency hysterectomy and
nearly dying from blood loss, she came home determined to make herself
better. Doctors have told her that the reason she has problems with
her thyroids, very high blood pressure and the slowing in her pace
come from the fact that she is overweight. She has seriously high
blood pressure that is difficult to control, even with medications and
the arthritis in her knees has become crippling.

She has tried countless diets, pills, supervised diets, classes
everything to help her become a healthier person, but nothing has
seemed to work for her. I know that if she was to have the gastric
bypass surgery that she so longs for, her life would brighten up
finally and she wouldnt have all these medical problems that
continously plague her.

Rather than asking for donations, I asked my mom to start making me
some quilt blocks so I could sell them online to make some money for
college bills. She is a very honest, loving person and would never ask
anyone for anything; in fact she would probably be embarassed if she
knew that I had done this for just because she would feel that people
would think she was begging which she is not. She is an absolutely
WONDERFUL quilter. She thinks the only chance she might have funding
her surgery would be to sell her award winning quilt which is listed
on ebay right now *You can see it if you look up "Starranch1" on ebay
members*. I really dont want her to do that since it is her prized
posession, so I am going to try my luck and see how I do at helping my
mom.

Heres what I ask from my moms fellow quilters in the world,

Send a donation of one dollar, or whatever you wish, and I will send
you a heart quilt block for each dollar recieved. Either to use them
in a quilt or a picture frame, they are beautiful. The dimensions are
3 1/4" inches square and when sewn into a quilt 2 3/4" square. Need
certain colors? Just ask! Please send all donations with a self
address stamped envelope so i can send the blocks back to you. If you
have any questions please feel free to contact me!

Donations can be sent to:

Cheyne Maclaskey

Thank you so much and GOD BLESS YOU!

If you have any questions, please email me at





--
Dr. Quilter
Ambassador of Extraordinary Aliens

yup, nzl, reserved is the word I would use to define you. kind of
'subtle' for myself... )

nzl* wrote:
i started a reply the other day to her original post, as i often do to spam
here.
i got lost in the mix of 'sales and donations'.
i'm glad you've explained the general position of rctq so eloquently for
me/us, Kate.
can we add this to our 'files' for future reference/use if its ever required
again.
hugz, Kate.
jeanne
nzl*
currently showing as #13 on the list of frequent posters but i'm sure thats
incorrect as i'm so quiet and reserved most of the time, just sitting off in
the corner twinkling, munchin' on cyber chocolate and fondling fabric with
glee



--
Dr. Quilter
Ambassador of Extraordinary Aliens

In our weekly lab meeting we have now this thing that is called 'out of
the box', when each member of the lab in turn is required to come up
wiht a subject of discussion that is not related to our work. Some
subject have been interesting and led to lively discussions, others have
tanked. One of the most succesful ones was 'obesity'. And while a lot of
people seem to think that fat people are all lacking in will and self
restraint, a small percentage of them do have serious health problems
that are the CAUSE of their obesity, not only consequences of it. For
that small percentage, diet and exercise, though they can never be bad
for you unless you go to extremes, don't really help, and more drastic
measures might be required. So while am I still not convinced I believe
Cheyne's story, being a skeptic in general and all, and certainly I
think that either knowingly or unknowingly (why not post the name of the
RCTQer that told her it was OK to ask for money in this newsgroup?) she
has committed at least a faux pas, I just want to point out that in some
cases of morbid obesity it is not just a case of diet and exercise....

Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply wrote:
From: (The HairyFacedOnes 'N Me)


........ Tell your mom to get busy and do it the old fashioned way- eat
less and exercise. ...........


VBS -- doesn't work if the excess weight isn't from overeating. For me to
lose weight, I have to restrict my caloric intake to UNDER 1,000 (800 is best)
a day and ALSO exercise for a minimum of 45 minutes a day, 6 days a week.
Doing all of that, it will take me about three months before I will see any
appreciable weight loss. I am one of those people who have a perfectly healthy
thyroid -- as least as far as the standard tests can show -- and Dr's have
never been able to find out why I have so much trouble losing weight. Now that
I am post-menopausal, it's even worse :-(.
I WILL agree -- limit your calories AND exercise. If you over 25 or 30
that's about the ONLY healthy way to lose weight. Not sure if the young woman
and her story are on the "up & up" but if she is, I have been where her mom is
and the only thing that helped was having my stomach stapled. Even with that,
I have to do the 1,000 or less calories a day and the serious exercise not that
my body has adjusted to the different stomach size.
I once read that constant dieting & exercise for those who are prone to
obesity can be a double edged sword. by always restricting your calories and
then burning them off with exercis, your body thinks you are in the "almost
starving" mode and turns all calories that are not used quickly to fat! The
body WANTS those fat stores to help carry it through all of the semi-starvation
that constant dieting results in! Not sure how much of that is true but it's
an interesting theory!! CiaoMeow ^;;^
.


PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their
WHISKERS!!
Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs!



--
Dr. Quilter
Ambassador of Extraordinary Aliens

this is smelling more and more like a troll. I have had my
confrontations with CNY and I can say, she has not insulted Cheyne!
and what is it with all the talk about being young, it is not a
disability after all!



Cheyne wrote:
Umm look lady...

Here now I will be straight forward with you... I was told to come
here by a friend of yours.. You ask why I dont tell you the name??
well why dont you start looking around at your "friends" and figure
out who it was.. thats not my place....

At 22, I know plenty.. but not what I will know when I will be in my
40's ... This is the age where mistakes are made... Thanks for your
comments.. but they are slams.. You havent read anything I have said..
I didnt CHOOSE to go to the Art Institute.. I was offered a chance of
a LIFETIME... with scholarships and many other things... I couldnt
pass that up..At the time I accepted, my mom was told she would get
the loan for the operation..I am almost two years into my schooling...
I cant move home.. there is no where for me to move to.. They have a
small one bedroom house that I shared with my sister that they now
live in... I went to community college for 2 years... I dont know
where you come from... or how old you are... but you cant get a degree
from a local college anymore.. or at least not here... they pull the
rug out from underneath you...when you arent looking.. I had to do
something with my life...

AND AGAIN I state... I wasnt asking you for FREE MONEY... I was asking
to trade blocks for donations... anything prayers... a heartfelt
word.. ANYTHING.... There were people from this damn list.. who
actually wrote to me.. and apologized to me for YOUR actions... maybe
you should look at those you call your friends and SHUT UP for a
minute... people are hurting in the world.. I just needed some help..I
didnt hold a sign on a street corner in front of you saying "Homeless
will work for food".... Wait.. maybe you are one of those people who
kicks homeless people... or screams at them to get a job... I believe
in Karma... good come to those who do good for others.. if thats the
case.. I will go far in this life... I will be in heaven...

Think about your actions... If you were a Man... I would look at you
and say... "Do you feel like a BIG man now???? Picking on someone who
is probably a fourth of your age...???? does it make you feel better
about yourself...

I honestly hope you sleep well at night... and think about what I said
to you..

I came here as a person.. who just needed some help.. and you blew me
out of the fkin water... Yeah, I said that... I'm glad you chose to
raise your children like that... I have been a wonderful daughter.. I
was voted Cosmopoliton's Female entrepreneur of the year last year, I
have been on the deans list.. made great grades kept my family proud..
I have sat by my mother through thick and thin, while she was in her
hospital bed... while she cried.. so dont act or make me seem like I
am a bad person because I came on here and shared something with
you.... You choose to post in this section to write to people about
quilting... shouldnt you be spending time with your friends and
children?? Isnt that calling the kettle black???

I have talked to several people from here.. personally via email...
you have been the only one... to SNIP at me... You are the one who has
something negative to write about everything... I hope you never end
up in a situation where you are desperately hurting.. and need help
from people.. and you go somewhere for it... It would hurt you, if
they spit in your face like you have mine...

Thanks for being bitchy..

I have been respectful and kind.. and just trying to tell my story and
you have been nothing but ugly... I hope this keeps you awake at
night... knowing you hurt someone so young.. Thanks... you must be a
GREAT mom..



CNYstitcher wrote in message ...

I wasn't slamming, I was offereing other suggestions. If my mother were
in this situation, I would do all I could to help her, except post to
this group asking for monetary help. If that meant leaving the home
that i have worked hard to have, I would. If that meant going into
debt, I would. I would go through local avenues of selling my
belongings rather than post on the internet - ebay charges a fee
regardless of if your items sell, the local paper only charges a fee for
listing items.

Despite the fact that my mother and I do not get along as well as you
and your mother seem to, I would do anything short of taking my own life
to help her. That is not a selfish statement, that is fact - I have a
small child and another on the way. For them to not have a mother would
be cruel to them. My mother wouldn't want my life anyway because she
would want me to be with my children. She wouldn't want me to put
myself through any hardship, but I would because she is my mom.

I am glad that you have a full-time job, you could still move back home,
however and save even more money. As I said, these are not slams, just
suggestions that came to mind while reading your posts.

I am still a child... what can you say you knew at 22??

The same as you know now???? If thats the case then I should be a
genius?? I have a whole life to learn, and being 5 feet tall doesnt
help any.


If you still consider yourself to be a child after making a decision to
enroll in a school that costs 40K, then we have extremely different
views of what a child is. YOu made this decision, now you have another
one that you need to make. I knew a lot at 22, not everything that I
know now, but enough to know that I wasn't in a position to attend a 40K
school. I was actually accepted into a rather prestigious college -
Johns Hopkins - and declined going (even though I *really* wanted to)
because of the financial burden it would have put on myself and my
family. Instead, I went to a local college and earned my degree. A
more responsible choice, and one that I have never regretted.

What the hell does your height have to do with anything?? I'm 5'7"
whoopie, who cares? Want me to tell you how tall the rest of my family
is? It has no bearing on anything but may be yet another way you want
us to feel sorry for you, I don't know. I can't see into your mind as
to why you think this is important for us to know.

I had a cancer scare and would have done anything that would have helped
me, with one condition, that it not be detrimental to my family in any
way. I had suggested another option that has helped thousands of people
and personally, helped me lose 60 pounds. If you didn't want my advice,
don't read my posts. If you don't want the advice of others, don't post
any more to the group.


I said , and will continue to say that I was offering other options.


I didnt ask to be hurt... and if anything... my feelings have just
been crushed... I didnt ask for you to give me money... I just asked
to trade... :*(



You didn't ask to trade, you offered things for sale, there is a
difference. Any sympathy I felt for you adn your mother (and other
siblings) has been decreased by you obviously being so self-focused that
you are taking everything thing I said as an attack...the perils of
being young....it was offered as optiong, and some were actually questions.

If you were hurt, you would want your daughter to do the same... or

would you be honored your daughter did this?? MY mom doesnt know I am
doing this for her... I just want to repay her for the love and
support she has given me...


I wouldn't want my daughter to ask total strangers to contribute to my
helath care or her college. The way my husband and I are raising our
son (and will be raising our daughter) is to be self-sufficient, and to
show respect to us. You are doing that in that you are trying to help
your mother. How we choose to raise our children is our decision, and
there are many other facets that you need not know as our life is just
that - ours. YOu chose to share your life with people who don't know
you and have never "met" you before. You can't blame any of us for
being skeptical. If a member had posted for you, a member that the
majority of the group knew, there might have been a little less doubt.
HOwever, that didn't happen.

I and many others have tried to offer advice in whatever way we could,
you have chosen to get snippy with me over my post. I posted without
knowing what the entire situation was, so my responses were based only
on what you originally shared. Keep that in mind next time you choose
to repond.

Larisa



--
Dr. Quilter
Ambassador of Extraordinary Aliens

IMS wrote:

I saw that post, Kate! I thought your reply was very diplomatic,
especially liked that last sentence.

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:00:03 +0100, Kate Dicey
---gently snipped

I din't join in the start of this one, but I did send a little note to
an advertizer in another couple of no ads groups that said:

'Ad snipped...

Please do not send ads to these group. They are NEWS ONLY groups. The
correct place for ads is eBay or a market place group.

Advertising in a news group will lose you potential sales.

Good luck with your correctly placed ads.'


I think I'll archive it as my stock answer!
--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:16:51 +0100, Kate Dicey
wrote:

Kates words of wisdom and some other garbled nonsense cropped to get
to the point...

Would you like to show me the law of contract that states that one
enters a legally binding contract with whoever sends anything by
whatever means, physical or electronic, merely by opening it? Sounds
like I have a legally binding contract for about 243 penis enlargements
if this is the case...

....so let me get this straight - you're going in for the surgery
*WHEN* exactly???

Suzie B
(idly ducking and hiding under the pier - hey its cool under here -
who's coming to join me?)
--
"From the internet connection under the pier"
Southend, UK
http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga

Welcome Cheyne,

I see that you've met the group. ;-)

I believe you are the person you say you are and not a troll, just a
young spirited and entrepreneurial woman who didn't have the best
fundraising idea this time. Heck, I would have probably done a MUCH
messier job of defending my name and my honor when I was your age, so
stay calm, and please, please remember that everything here is being
archived.

Speaking of archives, I found an article from the Houston Chronicle
about the company you and two your buddies started when you were 19, in
an effort to promote drug-free rave parties. I admire young people who
take charge instead of taking the usual attitude that nothing can be
done, so why bother. I guess that's how you got into some hot water
here. ;-)

I am so very grateful that my youth has not been captured on the
Internet archives. Also, you're using your real name, so this stuff
will be available for people to read, and you've got your whole life
ahead of you, so just keep your cool while those who don't care about
how they come across finish venting. Don't worry, I don't think you've
done any real damage.

--

KCK ( in Texas)
Take out the DOG before sending email

Website: http://kckintz.home.att.net/


"Cheyne" wrote in message
om...
Thank you Philip.. I am new... I didnt know that those were the
rules.. but no one ever offered them to me.. instead they choose to
call me troll and knock me down. If they had just said it from the
beginning I would have respected that but they had to disrespect me
before ever saying anything.

Paul & Suzie Beckwith wrote:

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:16:51 +0100, Kate Dicey
wrote:

Kates words of wisdom and some other garbled nonsense cropped to get
to the point...

Would you like to show me the law of contract that states that one
enters a legally binding contract with whoever sends anything by
whatever means, physical or electronic, merely by opening it? Sounds
like I have a legally binding contract for about 243 penis enlargements
if this is the case...

...so let me get this straight - you're going in for the surgery
*WHEN* exactly???

Suzie B
(idly ducking and hiding under the pier - hey its cool under here -
who's coming to join me?)
--
"From the internet connection under the pier"
Southend, UK
http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga


Me! I need to hide from the penis enlargers - one that big you could
live in, but you'd prolly have to disguise it as a windmill! An
ennyway, I like being a girlie...
--
Kate XXXXXX
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

"Kate Dicey" wrote in message
...


There is only one way to keep weigh off once we have lost it: a life
time of self discipline. Sounds hard, but all the surgery in the world
won't keep the weight off if there's no discipline to go with it. One
of my primary motivators at present is pain: if I eat the wrong stuff,
my gall bladder will create merry hell, and I do NOT want to go there
again! If I weigh more, I have more trouble with my fibo. That too can
be VERY painful, so I don't want to go there too much either. It can be
very hard, but with health issues, one has to be sensible.

I agree Kate, I'm following BF's mums advice and I'm cutting down on dairy
products to help my once-monthly-pain-in-the-stomaches. Mines not so bad as
you, but I understand what you mean about planning. I have to send my dad
off with a shopping list for me now!

Charlie.