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and something else now.....( 'splain to me about 'band saws')
right now, i have another question...what do you think about a 'table foiler'...?? is that worth the expense? Many that learned to foil without the assistance of any foiling device will insist they can foil just fine without one and can do it by hand as fast as with a foiler. That's true only if they've never spent the time mastering the use of one. There are several different types of foilers (upright and flat). All take a few hours practice to get the feel of how they should be used. Yes, you can foil by hand - but you can foil faster and more accurately with a foiler.However, that applies only if you're willing to spend some time learning to use one. We run a commercial production glass shop and consider foilers to be hugely advantageous and figure they save so much time they pay for themself in labour savings in just a few days. For stained glass work, saws SNUP, but foilers are a great investment. Dennis Brady DeBrady Glass - http://www.debrady.com Victorian Art Glass - http://www.victorianartglass.biz Glass Campus - http://www.glasscampus.com |
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and something else now.....( 'splain to me about 'band saws')
"glassman" wrote in message ... Table foiler is one of those gadgets that really work. It's easy to use, saves time and worth every penny. I use it almost everyday. I can foil and crimp over 100 pieces an hour without any of those little annoying finger cuts. Yeah I know Moon I'm a wimp, but I'm gettin' too old to foil by hand anymore. I got one of those Inland Edge Foilers 20 years ago and use it whenever I am forced into using foil. I don't like foiling, have never liked foiling, and never will like foiling. I don't think there is ANY machine that will ease the boredom and aggravation of foiling. And not foiling eliminates the need to turbo solder. ;) I'd MUCH rather work in lead or brass. If I had to foil everyday, I'd give up the business. For real!!! |
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and something else now.....( 'splain to me about 'band saws')
Hey wait a dern minute...it was just a few months ago that you telling
folks that the foiler was another boat anchor along with the saw. BTW...where's that video on soldering 30" in 2 seconds? wrote: We run a commercial production glass shop and consider foilers to be hugely advantageous and figure they save so much time they pay for themself in labour savings in just a few days. For stained glass work, saws SNUP, but foilers are a great investment. Dennis Brady DeBrady Glass - http://www.debrady.com Victorian Art Glass - http://www.victorianartglass.biz Glass Campus - http://www.glasscampus.com |
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and something else now.....( 'splain to me about 'band saws')
"Moonraker" wrote in message ... "glassman" wrote in message ... Table foiler is one of those gadgets that really work. It's easy to use, saves time and worth every penny. I use it almost everyday. I can foil and crimp over 100 pieces an hour without any of those little annoying finger cuts. Yeah I know Moon I'm a wimp, but I'm gettin' too old to foil by hand anymore. I got one of those Inland Edge Foilers 20 years ago and use it whenever I am forced into using foil. I don't like foiling, have never liked foiling, and never will like foiling. I don't think there is ANY machine that will ease the boredom and aggravation of foiling. And not foiling eliminates the need to turbo solder. ;) I'd MUCH rather work in lead or brass. If I had to foil everyday, I'd give up the business. For real!!! I do whatever they want to pay my real estate taxes of $10,000... YIKES! The table foiler is a huge advance over that Inland piece of crap, which is even worse than the Glastar foiler. -- JK Sinrod www.SinrodStudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com |
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and something else now.....( 'splain to me about 'band saws')
I'm with you on that Mooney.... I don't even like the look of most foiled
projects, so I only use it for structural requirements, say lampshades, and very rarely at that. I know I'm just a lead snob, and I get paid well for it too.... hahahahahah.... I far prefer the appearance of lead cames. So then the argument becomes aesthetics, yet I still suspect 99% of craftsmen still use foil because it's easy. I use lead because I believe it looks superior, justifying the added labor and skill required to do it well. Perhaps a little clarification is in order..... I always go first cabin on all my work, and people seek me out from other states to do their projects because of that. I can never catch up either..... just in case some of you were thinking you have to create cheapo junkola en masse to make a living. Who told you that? My official patented motto is, "Takes Longer, Costs More" ....... and no I'm not a trust-funder. I earn every nickel I have with these 2 hands and my feeble mind. It helps to be a skilled designer with something to say, though. Clients that appreciate that approach are willing to pay the costs involved. The unwilling are merely ignored or referred to China. There are no art emergencies! I entered into this craft for personal fulfillment.... end of story. cheers, Jacques Bordeleau ================================================== ======================= "Moonraker" wrote in message ... "glassman" wrote in message ... Table foiler is one of those gadgets that really work. It's easy to use, saves time and worth every penny. I use it almost everyday. I can foil and crimp over 100 pieces an hour without any of those little annoying finger cuts. Yeah I know Moon I'm a wimp, but I'm gettin' too old to foil by hand anymore. I got one of those Inland Edge Foilers 20 years ago and use it whenever I am forced into using foil. I don't like foiling, have never liked foiling, and never will like foiling. I don't think there is ANY machine that will ease the boredom and aggravation of foiling. And not foiling eliminates the need to turbo solder. ;) I'd MUCH rather work in lead or brass. If I had to foil everyday, I'd give up the business. For real!!! |
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and something else now.....( 'splain to me about 'band saws')
"sundog" wrote in message ... I'm with you on that Mooney.... I don't even like the look of most foiled projects, so I only use it for structural requirements, say lampshades, and very rarely at that. I know I'm just a lead snob, and I get paid well for it too.... hahahahahah.... I far prefer the appearance of lead cames. So then the argument becomes aesthetics, yet I still suspect 99% of craftsmen still use foil because it's easy. I use lead because I believe it looks superior, justifying the added labor and skill required to do it well. I doubt that it's 99%... maybe closer to 60%? I do both and I don't find foil easier in the least. The time it takes to foil each piece is probably a wash with the soldering time you save with came. It's purely your taste. My brother was a foil snob, who believed that Tiffany's foiling was the only way to do anything in glass. He would actually relead old came windows with foil! In his mind it was an improvement, and he was very successful. -- JK Sinrod www.SinrodStudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com |
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and something else now.....( 'splain to me about 'band saws')
i'm surprised to hear you guys singing the praises of lead...
i'm sure it has its place, but how can it compare to foil when it comes to intricate designs? plus, foil should last a lot longer, shouldn't it... what's the 'life span' of a leaded window? doesn't it have to be shored up every 15 years or so? maybe longer..i don't know because i don't like lead.. not at all. too klunky for me...but i understand why you might like it... aesthetically, i don't... and maybe i'm a purist...i think Tiffany did some wonderful windows...that could never have been done with lead... arlene |
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and something else now.....( 'splain to me about 'band saws')
"sundog" wrote in message ... ..... just in case some of you were thinking you have to create cheapo junkola en masse to make a living. Who told you that? I think it was some dickweed in Vancouver, eh? |
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and something else now.....( 'splain to me about 'band saws')
wrote in message ups.com... i'm surprised to hear you guys singing the praises of lead... i'm sure it has its place, but how can it compare to foil when it comes to intricate designs? plus, foil should last a lot longer, shouldn't it... what's the 'life span' of a leaded window? doesn't it have to be shored up every 15 years or so? maybe longer..i don't know because i don't like lead.. not at all. too klunky for me...but i understand why you might like it... aesthetically, i don't... and maybe i'm a purist...i think Tiffany did some wonderful windows...that could never have been done with lead... arlene Foil will always be viewed as a sissy, girly, newbie, hobby medium to the "real men" that use lead came. I do agree that foil does look better in many applications, but a true camer will always think that thread lead is equal to foil in appearance. The one negative to be said about lead is that it's really really dirty and messy. You can do foil in your home. I use both equally. -- JK Sinrod www.SinrodStudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com |
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