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Old July 13th 04, 02:21 AM
Kalera Stratton
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Oh, I don't by any means think everyone automatically "ought" to do the
same thing! It's just what's right for our household. We have an odd
household anyway, with me being an omnivore and perfectly comfortable
with killing an animal... more so than with buying meat... and Moxley
being vegan, and the kids being in-between. I rarely eat meat,
occasionally eat eggs, and regularly consume organic dairy, but it's a
struggle to get enough protein because we try to limit soy, which isn't
good for anyone in large quantities. This is HARD because everyone
except Juliet and Ophelia loves soy milk! We eat a lot of beans and
lentils, and when we get chickens Moxley says he'll eat the eggs. That
will help. We won't be killing chickens for meat! I am too fond of them
as little birdy personalities to want to do that, and also... well, my
chicken aversion is prety ingrained.

Fish I LOVE, and I wish I could catch my own, as you do! That's not
feasible for me at this time, but in the future it may be.

-Kalera
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Jalynne wrote:
I really wish we could do that, but it's just not realistic for us. And on the other
hand, I can't go completely vegetarian, because I can't get the protein I need from
veggie sources (most of the vegetarian recepies I've read rely on soy products, which
I cannot have in any form), so I have to eat meat occasionally. We do, however catch
our own fish, so I guess that counts. We have meatless dinners 3-4 times per week,
though, and when we do use meat, it's as a side dish or garnish, as opposed to the
main part of the dinner. Lots of yummy fruits and veggies here.

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Old July 13th 04, 04:28 AM
Jalynne
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I know you didn't...sorry if it sounded like I thought that (I'm a little socially
inept). I was just being wistful, and wishing we could do our own hunting on our own
property (with traps and/or bow/arrow...because though I can use a gun, I don't like
them) and raising our own animals. Military life is sooo not conducive for that.
Sigh. But I can have a garden!!
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"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
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Oh, I don't by any means think everyone automatically "ought" to do the
same thing!



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Old July 13th 04, 05:28 AM
Kalera Stratton
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I was not at all offended or anything... I can be a bit inept too, and I
wanted to make sure you didn't feel like I was foisting my notion off on
you!

Ah, a garden... I love my garden! I adore it. It's nothing fancy, but it
makes me feel sane, safe, and grounded.

-Kalera
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Jalynne wrote:
I know you didn't...sorry if it sounded like I thought that (I'm a little socially
inept). I was just being wistful, and wishing we could do our own hunting on our own
property (with traps and/or bow/arrow...because though I can use a gun, I don't like
them) and raising our own animals. Military life is sooo not conducive for that.
Sigh. But I can have a garden!!

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Old July 13th 04, 05:35 AM
Jalynne
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I miss having a garden. Didn't get to have one this year, because, well, i was kinda
in the hospital when it was the best time for planting...lol. Next year, though. At
least I got my basil planted....mmmmmm, fresh pesto sauce!
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"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
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I was not at all offended or anything... I can be a bit inept too, and I
wanted to make sure you didn't feel like I was foisting my notion off on
you!

Ah, a garden... I love my garden! I adore it. It's nothing fancy, but it
makes me feel sane, safe, and grounded.

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


Jalynne wrote:
I know you didn't...sorry if it sounded like I thought that (I'm a little

socially
inept). I was just being wistful, and wishing we could do our own hunting on our

own
property (with traps and/or bow/arrow...because though I can use a gun, I don't

like
them) and raising our own animals. Military life is sooo not conducive for that.
Sigh. But I can have a garden!!



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Old July 13th 04, 08:07 AM
Christina Peterson
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This is a great attitude. It's important to acknowledge the gift of meat
from the animal. Your post also reminds me of the book "When Animals Were
People", a Native creation myth/history.

Your comments about the unknown animals who become meat also reminds me of a
theory that it is kinder to kill a wild animal with a bullet from afar, then
to expose the farm animal to the cattle yards and slaughter house. And
along with that is goes that the animal with be full of hormones produced by
fear and panic, which could be very unhealthy for people who eat the meat.

Tina


"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
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See, I don't. I don't like to eat supermarket meat because it's not
possible to recognize the personal sacrifice of the animal it came from,
because I didn't know the animal. *No one* knew the animal, they were
just one of thousands of unloved, poorly treated creatures run through
the mill.

There is a very old Apache tradition that may also exist in other
cultures, of having young boys, when they com of age, go live in the
wild for a time while tracking an animal, following its every move,
getting to know it. Then they must kill it... with a knife. Not from a
distance, but up close and personal.

Of course, by the time the boy is familiar enough with the animal, and
the animal familiar enough with the boy, for him to kill it with a
knife, usually the boy has come to see the animal as a person. That's
the point... he will never, as a hunter, take animal lives for granted,
and never walk away from a careless arrow shot to leave the animal
wounded and suffering, to die a lingering painful death.

Some boys choose not to make the kill. That is an option... and those
boys, rather than being hunters, find another productive place. Usually
a vegetarian one.

When my kids are old enough, if they don't automatically opt to go
vegetarian, we will raise an animal and kill it for meat. We won't send
it to the butcher, we'll do it ourselves. Then the kids can choose with
full knowledge... eat meat, or go vegetarian.

-Kalera
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vj wrote:
vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from ospam
(Kaytee) :

]That was my father's policy chickens. If one of his "girls" died,

she was
]buried, and old biddies were allowed to live out to the end of their

life spans
]even if they didn't produce any more eggs. He did eat chicken from the
]supermarket, though.

i can understand that completely!


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