Semi-OT - forum censorship

I should also ask that you post to me directly with your anger so as not to
take up the public bandwidth. But if you do please don't hold back as you
seem to have some problem expressing how you really feel. My email is
hhalem(at)glassnotes.com

Henry Halem

I would like to know your name and what is the history? Why do you remain
anonymous?
Henry


Javahut wrote:

Why is what Moonraker has to say unreasonable? Jesus Henry. And
this
from an academician. I've known you long enough to know exactly why
you
say that though. People and ideas are just a means to a personal
end.
Personally I'd rather make trinkets all day than sell my integrity
for
a few crappy bucks. Which is precisely the reason you'll never be
succesful at anything but accumulating a resume that impresses the
fools. Your book is a lazy collection of other people's ideas and
your
art is mere posturing. You should have been a Fuller Brush
salesman.


What's the deal? Got an ax to grind? Just plain don't like the guy?

First time I have noticed you here, but more of a reason for me to
stay
away, this NG is getting like a damn chat room....


Well, there's a history there, if that's what you mean. For Henry the
message boards are all about making money. He is not alone in that,
though he has been particularly shameless in milking it. I remember one
time when he told one lady not to solicit funds for breast cancer among
the glass community, and in the next breath plugged his 'EZtherm'
$20,000 molybdenum furnaces. So it doesn't come as any surprise that he
would defend this Moonraker dirtbag and the actions of wetcanvas in
censoring private messages for commercial reasons. Disgusting, but not
surprising. For myself, I view people who need to make money by
manipulating those seeking information as true bottom feeders and I
give them a wide berth. People who approach 'experts' needing
information about glass are coming to you with their hat in their hand
hoping you will behave with integrity. Whenever I see that trust abused
it makes my skin crawl.

I first posted to rec.crafts.glass in 1994.

Its Dave Williams, Henry. I'm not remaining anonymous, this has been my
handle on Usenet forever. And I'm not angry at you. That's kind of an
easy way to ignore my point. What I don't like is your view of glass
boards as capitalist free-fire zones where ethics and decency take a
backseat to shilling shlepping and screwing the competition. Just
because information boards are "owned" doesn't exempt their owners from
an obligation to act ethically in their business.




Henry Halem wrote:
I would like to know your name and what is the history? Why do you
remain
anonymous?
Henry


Javahut wrote:

Why is what Moonraker has to say unreasonable? Jesus Henry. And
this
from an academician. I've known you long enough to know exactly
why
you
say that though. People and ideas are just a means to a personal
end.
Personally I'd rather make trinkets all day than sell my
integrity
for
a few crappy bucks. Which is precisely the reason you'll never be
succesful at anything but accumulating a resume that impresses
the
fools. Your book is a lazy collection of other people's ideas and
your
art is mere posturing. You should have been a Fuller Brush
salesman.


What's the deal? Got an ax to grind? Just plain don't like the
guy?

First time I have noticed you here, but more of a reason for me to
stay
away, this NG is getting like a damn chat room....


Well, there's a history there, if that's what you mean. For Henry
the
message boards are all about making money. He is not alone in that,
though he has been particularly shameless in milking it. I remember
one
time when he told one lady not to solicit funds for breast cancer
among
the glass community, and in the next breath plugged his 'EZtherm'
$20,000 molybdenum furnaces. So it doesn't come as any surprise
that he
would defend this Moonraker dirtbag and the actions of wetcanvas in
censoring private messages for commercial reasons. Disgusting, but
not
surprising. For myself, I view people who need to make money by
manipulating those seeking information as true bottom feeders and I
give them a wide berth. People who approach 'experts' needing
information about glass are coming to you with their hat in their
hand
hoping you will behave with integrity. Whenever I see that trust
abused
it makes my skin crawl.

I first posted to rec.crafts.glass in 1994.

wrote:

Henry Halem wrote:
It is interesting how you only respect those that agree with what you
have
to say. Why is what moonraker has to say unreasonable? Is it that you
don't
like the message so you wish to kill the messenger? Your childish
attempt at
censorship is no different than what is being criticized in this
thread.

You know, moonraker, on rec.crafts.glass, we have learned to
ignore your
brutish behavior - I usually just stop reading a thread once you
come on.
Seems like a reasonable discussion to me. I wonder how many people
just
skip out on rec.crafts.glass after encountering your
"contributions"?
Mike Firth

Why is what Moonraker has to say unreasonable? Jesus Henry. And this
from an academician. I've known you long enough to know exactly why you
say that though. People and ideas are just a means to a personal end.
Personally I'd rather make trinkets all day than sell my integrity for
a few crappy bucks. Which is precisely the reason you'll never be
succesful at anything but accumulating a resume that impresses the
fools. Your book is a lazy collection of other people's ideas and your
art is mere posturing. You should have been a Fuller Brush salesman.


At least he signs his name to his posts.

Jack

wrote:

Its Dave Williams, Henry. I'm not remaining anonymous, this has been my
handle on Usenet forever. And I'm not angry at you. That's kind of an
easy way to ignore my point. What I don't like is your view of glass
boards as capitalist free-fire zones where ethics and decency take a
backseat to shilling shlepping and screwing the competition. Just
because information boards are "owned" doesn't exempt their owners from
an obligation to act ethically in their business.


It's a small world indeed.

Jack

nJb wrote:
wrote:

Henry Halem wrote:
It is interesting how you only respect those that agree with what
you
have
to say. Why is what moonraker has to say unreasonable? Is it that
you
don't
like the message so you wish to kill the messenger? Your childish
attempt at
censorship is no different than what is being criticized in this
thread.

You know, moonraker, on rec.crafts.glass, we have learned to
ignore your
brutish behavior - I usually just stop reading a thread once
you
come on.
Seems like a reasonable discussion to me. I wonder how many
people
just
skip out on rec.crafts.glass after encountering your
"contributions"?
Mike Firth

Why is what Moonraker has to say unreasonable? Jesus Henry. And
this
from an academician. I've known you long enough to know exactly why
you
say that though. People and ideas are just a means to a personal
end.
Personally I'd rather make trinkets all day than sell my integrity
for
a few crappy bucks. Which is precisely the reason you'll never be
succesful at anything but accumulating a resume that impresses the
fools. Your book is a lazy collection of other people's ideas and
your
art is mere posturing. You should have been a Fuller Brush
salesman.


At least he signs his name to his posts.

Jack

Who? Moonraker or Henry? I don't have any problem signing my name to my
posts, it was just an oversight. I'm not really up on the netiquette
here. Anyway you know who I am which is more than I know about you. If
you don't tell someone your last name, you might as well not sign your
posts IMO. And you'd certainly be on shaky ground criticizing anyone
else for not signing theirs...

In reading back over my original response to Henry I feel bad at the
anger in it. I guess I am angry at Henry. Or more acurately profoundly
disgusted. Anyway, I apologize to Henry and everyone else for that. Its
not an unqualified apology obviuosly, because I feel I have good
reasons for my strong feelings. But I went over the top and let my
emotions get the best of me and I apologize. I'll say no more.

David Williams

wrote:


Who? Moonraker or Henry? I don't have any problem signing my name to my
posts, it was just an oversight. I'm not really up on the netiquette
here. Anyway you know who I am which is more than I know about you. If
you don't tell someone your last name, you might as well not sign your
posts IMO. And you'd certainly be on shaky ground criticizing anyone
else for not signing theirs...

Jack Bowman. Small world, eh?

nJb wrote:
wrote:


Who? Moonraker or Henry? I don't have any problem signing my name
to my
posts, it was just an oversight. I'm not really up on the
netiquette
here. Anyway you know who I am which is more than I know about you.
If
you don't tell someone your last name, you might as well not sign
your
posts IMO. And you'd certainly be on shaky ground criticizing
anyone
else for not signing theirs...

Jack Bowman. Small world, eh?

I guess. But I think we're all swimming in the same pond pretty much.
If I saw you over on the Alt.homepower group then I'd be really
surprised.