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Mooring a boat
How do real salts moor a boat to a post?
A couple of my buddies are taking their entire family out on a big houseboat for a week's vacation on Lake Shasta in NoCal. They usually end up driving a stake into the remote beaches and mooring the boat to it. Last year they had a few problems because no one knew any real knots. The lead from the boat is very long, and they often had to tie off the boat with the middle of the rope. The boat was always a different distance from shore. They asked me what to do this yr since I'm supposed to be Mr. Knot (not!), but I'm a lineman, not a sailor. I suggested a round turn and 2 hh, but that's not too convenient to tie into the middle of the rope. I'm thinking loops, maybe. If they tied 4 or 5 butterflies in the lead every 4 or 5 ft they could drop whichever one was in the right spot right over the post. Then they could use the same series of knots day after day without having to retie every landing. I dunno! We're dilettantes. I would like to know what a real boater wld do. Luke in Ca |
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How about a "Pile Hitch"?
http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/pilehitch.html It seems to meet the requirements of your scenario. Brian. |
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Brian G. schreef:
How about a "Pile Hitch"? hi Luke, Brian, all, and how about: a (spliced) loop in the end of the mooring line put over the pole / stake and belay the line on board, on a cleat, without a knot "Loop the line around the base, under the arms of the cleat, then bring it up and over diagonally, around and under one arm, then over, around and under the other, in a continuous figure eight" repeat this, add one half hitch on top (do not use the bitter end) this is adjustable, and you can untie this under load the loop might be hitched on the pole with a cow hitch / larks head formed in the loop when you want a mooring line that is attached to the boat, and knotted / adjusted ashore then, a hitch will do fine boaters would use one that can be knotted in midline (formed over the pole / stake) a pile hitch yes, good choice (round turn and) two half hitches will do fine especially when you want to use the ring on the stake knot it with the line doubled, then the first half hitch might be a slip knot, the second one secures this; (do not use the bitter end) these two are adjustable under load, and you can untie them often used, easily adjusted, but not under load: a clove hitch in the middle of a long mooring line, formed over the pole end probably with a half hitch on top of the crossings then: half hitch(es) with the line doubled; do not use the bitter end the series of butterfly loops is a landlubbers way ... may be a reasonable alternative for short visits on land? what realy is a landlubbers way: one (large?) stake, one (strong?) mooring line ... when you put all your money on one card: let it be a good anchor equipment how about two stakes / trees and four lines to keep the ship in place? "Unless your boat is unusually heavy or will be subjected to severe conditions, a bow line, stern line, and two spring lines are recommended" and then long lines can become handy: with mooring line attached/tied to the boat, tie it to one stake (with a pile hitch) and bring the long end back on board, belay it on the other end / side of the boat so a "spring line" is formed as well (repeat with other pole and line, on other side) etc "use proper chafe protection where mooring lines may rub on gunwales etc" etc so ... boaters belay on board, on heavy cleats knot recommending knots, Ben |
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Hi Ben,
Your suggestions are great and show that you have worked on Luke 451's question to the bitter end! :-)) Well ... not a great joke ... but I tried! Brian |
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"Luke 451" wrote: The lead from the boat is very long, and they often had to tie off the boat with the middle of the rope. The boat was always a different distance from shore. Unless there is wind and waves, you can use a simple clove hitch, slipped over the top of the stake. If there will be any tugging on the line, you can just make a few more clove hitches on top of it. No fancy shmancy knot tying that your shipmates could not learn in under 30 seconds and it will hold you. K.I.S.S. -- Karl Pollak, Richmond, British Columbia Sea Scouting in Canada at http://www.seascouts.ca/ |
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The simplest knot, already suggested, is throwing several half hitches
over the stake. I don't think I'd be able to sleep with just two - I'd add a third or more. However, you asked what a "real boater" would do. First of all, he would likely use the end of a line and take up the excess on the boat, not on shore. That way, more can be fed out if need. The boat will undoubtedly have cleats for this purpose, so they should learn the proper way to attach to a cleat. Using this approach, the line can be tied to the stake in advance, and a round turn with half hitches is not a bad choice, as long as conditions don't get nasty. Also, the "stake" would likely be some type of anchor, perhaps a Danforth style the could be buried in sand. For harder soil an auger style "land anchor" can be had. In any case, an anchor would have a ring to attach to, usually with a thimbled splice and a shackle. Also, the line (or anchor rode) should be nylon, which will provide some stretch. Presumably, they are renting the boat and it should be setup with at least one good anchor and rode, and a second for backup. Luke 451 wrote: How do real salts moor a boat to a post? A couple of my buddies are taking their entire family out on a big houseboat for a week's vacation on Lake Shasta in NoCal. They usually end up driving a stake into the remote beaches and mooring the boat to it. Last year they had a few problems because no one knew any real knots. The lead from the boat is very long, and they often had to tie off the boat with the middle of the rope. The boat was always a different distance from shore. They asked me what to do this yr since I'm supposed to be Mr. Knot (not!), but I'm a lineman, not a sailor. I suggested a round turn and 2 hh, but that's not too convenient to tie into the middle of the rope. I'm thinking loops, maybe. If they tied 4 or 5 butterflies in the lead every 4 or 5 ft they could drop whichever one was in the right spot right over the post. Then they could use the same series of knots day after day without having to retie every landing. I dunno! We're dilettantes. I would like to know what a real boater wld do. Luke in Ca |
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:45:22 -0400, Jeff wrote:
The simplest knot, already suggested, is throwing several half hitches over the stake. I don't think I'd be able to sleep with just two - I'd add a third or more. My father always said: One for a friend, two for a battleship, but three won't hold a woman. (He recently passed away having spent 57 happy years with my mom, so perhaps he was wrong on the efficacy of half-hitches.) -- --Pete "Peter W. Meek" http://www.msen.com/~pwmeek/ |
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