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"Fiona Jarvis" wrote : Not a very effective ad in that it says the car is too damned expensive for ordinary folk. I think that's their point. They make a car that is not for "ordinary folk". At $52K (base price), it costs more than my house. Everybody sacrifices for what they want. Some people want $52k cars, and make the sacrifice for them. I want to tend my family and we make sacrifices for that. Making personal judgments based upon life choices is fair, but blanket judgements are probably misleading. |
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I've been reading this thread and decided to add 2cents....
I see the commercial as showing the naive young man with noble thoughts of living a life with no monetary rewards so that he can "live" his craft, who is moved quickly into "adulthood" with the realization of what money can buy when he "falls" for the beautiful vehicle. It is meant to be amusing for the "older" types who can afford this vehicle and that can now look down on that idealistic "youngster". Now I personally think it is a load of crap and points to exactly what is wrong with our overconsuming society but then I'm not their audience and there really isn't anything they could show that would win me over. My guess is it works quite well on those they intend it for. DKat "MIKandCOL" wrote in message ... Have you seen the land rover commercial where a couple guys are walking along the road hitchiking? One of the guys says his goal in life is to work with ceramics and pottery. A land rover picks them up and suddenly the guy changes his mind, thinking he would like to have a luxurious and obviously expensive land rover someday. When I first saw this I was offended that the land rover company would put down people with an interest in ceramics, but then I must admit that only a minority of people make their living this way. I used to joke in college that I was taking "underwater basketweaving" meaning some degrees are essentially useless in the real world. Is this the way society in america views ceramics? Since I do ceramics only for enjoyment, perhaps I should not be so critical - Mike |
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"Sam" wrote in message om... "Fiona Jarvis" wrote : Not a very effective ad in that it says the car is too damned expensive for ordinary folk. I think that's their point. They make a car that is not for "ordinary folk". At $52K (base price), it costs more than my house. Everybody sacrifices for what they want. Some people want $52k cars, and make the sacrifice for them. I want to tend my family and we make sacrifices for that. Making personal judgments based upon life choices is fair, but blanket judgements are probably misleading. Very true, though there are so many much cheaper 4WD's around these days. Having been in lots of Land Rovers and Range Rovers though, I'm not impressed. It is basically a statis symbol, if thats whats important to you I guess it is your choice. |
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I love potters. Fascinating thread to read - thanks everyone for throwing
in your thoughts on your priorities. Incidentally, I just went into debt for the first time to buy a Prius hybrid so my midwife partner can safely get to births in the middle of the night. I think environmentally-conscious cars make a much sexier statement than Land Rovers. Simon "dkat" wrote in message ... I've been reading this thread and decided to add 2cents.... I see the commercial as showing the naive young man with noble thoughts of living a life with no monetary rewards so that he can "live" his craft, who is moved quickly into "adulthood" with the realization of what money can buy when he "falls" for the beautiful vehicle. It is meant to be amusing for the "older" types who can afford this vehicle and that can now look down on that idealistic "youngster". Now I personally think it is a load of crap and points to exactly what is wrong with our overconsuming society but then I'm not their audience and there really isn't anything they could show that would win me over. My guess is it works quite well on those they intend it for. DKat "MIKandCOL" wrote in message ... Have you seen the land rover commercial where a couple guys are walking along the road hitchiking? One of the guys says his goal in life is to work with ceramics and pottery. A land rover picks them up and suddenly the guy changes his mind, thinking he would like to have a luxurious and obviously expensive land rover someday. When I first saw this I was offended that the land rover company would put down people with an interest in ceramics, but then I must admit that only a minority of people make their living this way. I used to joke in college that I was taking "underwater basketweaving" meaning some degrees are essentially useless in the real world. Is this the way society in america views ceramics? Since I do ceramics only for enjoyment, perhaps I should not be so critical - Mike |
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I'm a female newbie to this forum, and quite dismayed that subjects can
deviate from what the site is intended for. However I have a few things to add on this issue and perhaps will bring an end to this irrelevant discussion. OK - so Landrovers aren't sexy, cheap to buy and run, some Landrover drivers may be inconsiderate, and perhaps some potters in can't afford one BUT.... I HAVE a Landrover Discovery.... and with all this negativity I thought I'd add a few comments in favour of them. My Disco wasn't THAT expensive (I bought mine second hand) I don't drive mine like I 'own the road'. You'll be surprised how many people try to squeeze through in front and cut you up. It has been the 'safest car' I have ever driven (and I have driven quite a few ranging from Ladas to LWB Vans). All range vision is excellent! They have a large amount of space inside to fit bulky pottery equipment and supplies. If another car is stuck in snow, or mud - who do they come to when they need pulling out?..... Heck! I even saw one pull a lorry stuck in a muddy field during one wet carnival day. Ours even pulled a large camper van which had 'dug-in' at the bottom of a steep slope on a campsite last year! Another thing... Don't damn a product just because of the advertiser - adverts will always offend SOMEONE! Regarding not making enough money out of pottery - well you get what you put into it.. It's the same in any self-run business. I'm going to get back to my wheel now and do some 'work' instead of being stuck in front of the computer all day! |
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J M made some reasonable points. As far as staying on the pottery topic, this one is pretty good--not too much thread creep (meandering from original topic), mostly about both Land Rovers and pottery... Although I'm going to creep it now. As any good discussion should be allowed to... Regarding not making enough money out of pottery - well you get what you put into it.. It's the same in any self-run business. Pottery is not the same as any self-run business. Granted that it could be, and I've seen it run that way. The limits of the professional potter are first: what one can produce, and second what one can sell. Being both producer and seller makes a definite limit to what one is likely to earn. In other self-run businesses, you can add employees to grow your business, or add machines to increase your production. As soon as you add employees or machines to make the pottery, the nature of the enterprise has changed. You then have a business instead of a profession. Ceramics has always existed as a business, from toilets to fine china, employing the industrial model (since the industrial revolution). The industrial revolution nearly ended the craft potter's existence, producing wares much more cheaply, and generally elegantly, than the craft potter could afford to. That's still the case--99 percent of the world eats off mass produced pottery. Craft pottery reemerged as a possibility first in 18th C. England with the Crafts movement, then again with Bernard Leach and Shoji Hamada championing it in the early 20th C. In the 1960's, there was another craft movement as part of the anti-establishment back-to-the-earth hippie thing, which most of the current professionals began with. Anyway, I'd say there's a distinct difference between the solo craft potter and running a pottery manufacturing business. Getting back to the limits of income, some potters do hire workers, or mass produce by jiggering or slipcasting. While I have no objection to their running their business, I do object to them selling their wares as hand made at hand-craft art fairs (which happens too frequently). Getting somewhat back to the original point, I'm currently working on an order for 800 little cups. As a solo hand artist, there is no advantage to larger orders--each one has to be made with the same amount of work. I only do this one large order a year--the rest of my production is in dozens. It consumes a good share of a month to make it (although I'm also making a few other pots to efficiently load the kiln). I think for most of us the real sticking point is sales. I have no objection to hiring someone to help with sales--the integrity of the work is not compromised. It's just that I can't afford it. It would meand producing a lot more pots and more art fairs/advertising to pay for the extra help. Selling pots is hard--selling $20,000 or more of pots per year is consistently hard, competitive, and boring. So we are a fairly rare group who are willing to attempt survival under such conditions. Brad Sondahl -- For original art, music, pottery, and literature, visit my homepage http://sondahl.com To reply to me directly, don't forget to take out the "garbage" from my address. |
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It depends on your location (part of the country) and what you're doing
to sell--promote your work. My sales were up last year, but I took on a couple extra art fairs. Most of the sellers at the fairs I talked to felt that sales were down. The art fairs still draw large crowds, primarily though as entertainment... Brad Sondahl -- For original art, music, pottery, and literature, visit my homepage http://sondahl.com To reply to me directly, don't forget to take out the "garbage" from my address. |
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oops, the previous post was posted to the wrong thread.
Brad |
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This really isn't the way to kill a thread.... Maybe set it on fire...
Potters are one of the few groups out there in suburbia that actually needs some type of truck (for hauling kilns, ware, etc) and might justify having a SUV as they now stand. The lawyer driving to the commuter station, briefcase in tow, on the other hand really doesn't. In fact 90% of SUV owners do not need and should not have a SUV until the SUVs meet pollution standards the same as other personal vehicles. There are plenty of vehicles that will carry a bunch of kids (which is the excuse most suburbanites use) that also follow the requirements to keep pollution low and that don't put other people in danger. It isn't the 10% that actually need a SUV which people in general have a gripe with, it is the 90% that don't. Of that 90% who do I would say at least 50% of them put other people at risk by the way they drive (at least on Long Island... you know that place with ALL those off road terrains that you need SUVs for?). The commercials you see aren't geared for people that need a truck. They are for people that want to be "Cool". That is what I think this tread started on. The feeling that we as a country do not value potters and that is relevant to the group. Or at least I think it is. DKat "J M" wrote in message newsgc8c.37$%Z.32@newsfe1-win... I'm a female newbie to this forum, and quite dismayed that subjects can deviate from what the site is intended for. However I have a few things to add on this issue and perhaps will bring an end to this irrelevant discussion. OK - so Landrovers aren't sexy, cheap to buy and run, some Landrover drivers may be inconsiderate, and perhaps some potters in can't afford one BUT.... I HAVE a Landrover Discovery.... and with all this negativity I thought I'd add a few comments in favour of them. My Disco wasn't THAT expensive (I bought mine second hand) I don't drive mine like I 'own the road'. You'll be surprised how many people try to squeeze through in front and cut you up. It has been the 'safest car' I have ever driven (and I have driven quite a few ranging from Ladas to LWB Vans). All range vision is excellent! They have a large amount of space inside to fit bulky pottery equipment and supplies. If another car is stuck in snow, or mud - who do they come to when they need pulling out?..... Heck! I even saw one pull a lorry stuck in a muddy field during one wet carnival day. Ours even pulled a large camper van which had 'dug-in' at the bottom of a steep slope on a campsite last year! Another thing... Don't damn a product just because of the advertiser - adverts will always offend SOMEONE! Regarding not making enough money out of pottery - well you get what you put into it.. It's the same in any self-run business. I'm going to get back to my wheel now and do some 'work' instead of being stuck in front of the computer all day! |
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