Cleaning up copper after torch firing Enamel...

On Mar 1, 12:59*pm, wrote:
On Mar 1, 12:53 pm, Chemo the Clown wrote:





On Mar 1, 10:00 am, wrote:

On Feb 29, 10:53 pm, Jman wrote:

On Feb 29, 10:53 pm, wrote:

On Feb 29, 7:12 pm, Jman wrote:

On Feb 29, 7:24 pm, "JK" wrote:

"Jman" wrote in message
Any suggestions as to the 'above' would be helpful !

Cheers,

/FC

* *You've pretty much cussed out everyone here that's qualified to answer
you. I'm one that doesn't cuss, and I have to wonder why you're still here
looking for help when you're pretty much a resident in the kill files?

--
JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

Only cussed out those who deserved it.... (you being one of them....)
I'm pretty sure that you and your little 'pals' aren't the only ones
with sound advice. *I do believe you 'over estimate' your standing on
this NG. *You and the rest of your 'pals' have no more right to be
here than anyone else. *We certainly don't have to 'earn your respect'
either. *Having said that, you should take your own advice and not
bother to respond either....
Hypocrisy at it's finest !

Looking forward to any replies.... *

Cheers,

/FC

Have you given any thought to how much you just being here ****es them
off?

http://www.vicartglass.com/products/...oxygen.htm...-

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Yeah,

It gives me great pleasure.... *It really, really does *
...sigh...

You best be careful. *You're gunna make their heads explode.

Can I put another ad up?

Please!!!!!!!

I really really want to.

I promise it'll be a nice one. *Even got one with pictures for those
fellas that can't read.

Maybe they'd like a video on how to pull their wire?http://www.glasscampus.com/videos.htm-Hidequoted text -

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BTW...I know this may sound really strange to you...but when you order
kiln wash, it comes with directions. Can you believe it??

Like these?http://www.glasscampus.com/tutorials...omparison.pdf- Hide quoted text -

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You serious? You call those directions?
hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Mar 1, 2:03*pm, David Billington
wrote:
Jman wrote:
On Mar 1, 12:21 pm, David Billington
wrote:

Jman wrote:

I'm torch firing enamel powders, frits, Diachroic, etc. on 24 oz
copper sheets.. *I want to retain some of the natural copper color in
some areas of the pieces after being torched (no underglaze..), so I
need to remove the firescale.

Mostly, I've been using SPAREX #2 and a dremel (with an arsenal of
bits, discs, etc...) and the results have been pretty good but I have
noticed some 'dulling' after cleaning where the end of the glass meets
copper. *I want to try and avoid this in future pieces and was
wondering if anyone has a better method of removing the firescale....
( I'm *pretty sure the Dremel is causing the 'dulling')....

I read somewhere that "Penny Weight" cleaner is supposed to work
really well with enamel's, metals and is less caustic but I've never
tried it.... *Is it any good ?

Also, should I stay away from the dremel for this application ?
Would doing it the 'old fashioned way' ( by hand..) be a better
option ? *What would be the recommended sanding grit's / stones etc....
for finishing the enameled / fused piece ? * The finest grit I
currently have is wet sanding paper @ 600 and 800 grit which I use to
give the copper some 'tooth' to hold the enamel previous to torching.

Any suggestions as to the 'above' would be helpful !

Cheers,

/FC

Have you tried using a dilute sulphuric acid pickle, that is what is
commonly used to clean the oxide from copper and leave the copper intact.- Hide quoted text -

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Hey there David,

Thanks for replying...

Yes, I tried the 'Sparex #2" and it works REALLY well, but I did
notice that it's a bit hard on the enamel. *By that I mean some of the
pieces I pickled had enamel coming off (usually tiny pieces..) in bits
and I wasn't sure if it was the pickle, or my application of the
enamel in the first place. *I'm kinda new at this....but I suppose
that's fairly obvious...

I saw Sparex and was thinking of Cratex rubberised abrasive. Sparex is
apparently a sodium bisulphate based pickle so I have not used it.
Personally I have no problem with dilute sulphuric acid as it is a
fairly safe, I always use eye protection with any chemical, other
protection depending on the hazards of the chemical.

Not sure why the bits would be coming off, close inspection might reveal
a reason. I presume you are putting the enamelled piece in the pickle
cold. My main experience with pickling is after silver soldering brass
and copper parts which can be thrown in the pickle hot but that would
likely kill the enamel from the sudden cooling.

The other thing that I noticed about the 'Acid based pickles' is that
the copper turns this really 'Pink color', which I assume is normal.
The problem with this, is that I need to get that "Shiny Copper" look
back and I end up having to use the dremel either way..... *Somewhat
frustrating really.

Normal in my experience also.

Do you know of a protective GUM or some kind of BINDER that might be
applied to the copper (where the enamel is not...) PRE-FIRING that
might shield the copper from some of the really nasty firescale ?

I can't think of anything at the moment but I don't do a lot of
enamelling. Batt wash sprung to mind but I know that won't stick to the
copper from experince slumping over batt wash covered copper formers,
can lead to some nice effects though. Might be worth giving graphite a
try, other than that some sort of kiln with a reducing or inert
atmosphere might be in order to prevent the oxidation on the exposed
copper. A reducing atmosphere might create problems with certain colours
though.



Cheers,

/FC- Hide quoted text -

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David,

I've been putting my pieces in a warm Sparex solution when there are
cold. I did a few hot pieces once in a really warm pickle and even
that turned out....errr, nasty to say the least !
I believe it has been my application that kinda screwed things up. I
put a few pieces together today and put more 'tooth' into the copper
before I enameled and low and behold, the enamel seems to be adhering
much better. I think I'll try your suggestion regarding the mild
sulphuric acid....

Sorry for my complete ignorance but what is BATT wash ? Is that like
a kiln wash ?

Also, the graphite of which you speak... Is that graphite powder ?

You sound like you know quite a bit about glass. Do you do a lot of
slumping and stained glass work ?

Thanks again,

/FC

On Mar 1, 1:43*pm, wrote:
On Mar 1, 12:36 pm, Chemo the Clown wrote:





On Mar 1, 10:00 am, wrote:

On Feb 29, 10:53 pm, Jman wrote:

On Feb 29, 10:53 pm, wrote:

On Feb 29, 7:12 pm, Jman wrote:

On Feb 29, 7:24 pm, "JK" wrote:

"Jman" wrote in message
Any suggestions as to the 'above' would be helpful !

Cheers,

/FC

* *You've pretty much cussed out everyone here that's qualified to answer
you. I'm one that doesn't cuss, and I have to wonder why you're still here
looking for help when you're pretty much a resident in the kill files?

--
JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

Only cussed out those who deserved it.... (you being one of them....)
I'm pretty sure that you and your little 'pals' aren't the only ones
with sound advice. *I do believe you 'over estimate' your standing on
this NG. *You and the rest of your 'pals' have no more right to be
here than anyone else. *We certainly don't have to 'earn your respect'
either. *Having said that, you should take your own advice and not
bother to respond either....
Hypocrisy at it's finest !

Looking forward to any replies.... *

Cheers,

/FC

Have you given any thought to how much you just being here ****es them
off?

http://www.vicartglass.com/products/...oxygen.htm...-

- Show quoted text -

Yeah,

It gives me great pleasure.... *It really, really does *
...sigh...

You best be careful. *You're gunna make their heads explode.

Can I put another ad up?

Please!!!!!!!

I really really want to.

I promise it'll be a nice one. *Even got one with pictures for those
fellas that can't read.

Maybe they'd like a video on how to pull their wire?

My god man, did you figure all that out by yourself? You ARE
amazing!!!

Is your head getting ready to explode yet?
Maybe pulling your wire will release the pressure.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Muhahahahah....

Tis' funny.....

On Mar 1, 1:22*pm, Jman wrote:

Sorry for my complete ignorance but what is BATT wash ? *Is that like
a kiln wash ?

"complete ignorance"

I think that pretty much sums it up. The key word being, "complete".

Jman wrote:
On Mar 1, 2:03 pm, David Billington
wrote:

Jman wrote:

On Mar 1, 12:21 pm, David Billington
wrote:

Jman wrote:

I'm torch firing enamel powders, frits, Diachroic, etc. on 24 oz
copper sheets.. I want to retain some of the natural copper color in
some areas of the pieces after being torched (no underglaze..), so I
need to remove the firescale.

Mostly, I've been using SPAREX #2 and a dremel (with an arsenal of
bits, discs, etc...) and the results have been pretty good but I have
noticed some 'dulling' after cleaning where the end of the glass meets
copper. I want to try and avoid this in future pieces and was
wondering if anyone has a better method of removing the firescale....
( I'm pretty sure the Dremel is causing the 'dulling')....

I read somewhere that "Penny Weight" cleaner is supposed to work
really well with enamel's, metals and is less caustic but I've never
tried it.... Is it any good ?

Also, should I stay away from the dremel for this application ?
Would doing it the 'old fashioned way' ( by hand..) be a better
option ? What would be the recommended sanding grit's / stones etc...
for finishing the enameled / fused piece ? The finest grit I
currently have is wet sanding paper @ 600 and 800 grit which I use to
give the copper some 'tooth' to hold the enamel previous to torching.

Any suggestions as to the 'above' would be helpful !

Cheers,

/FC

Have you tried using a dilute sulphuric acid pickle, that is what is
commonly used to clean the oxide from copper and leave the copper intact.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey there David,

Thanks for replying...

Yes, I tried the 'Sparex #2" and it works REALLY well, but I did
notice that it's a bit hard on the enamel. By that I mean some of the
pieces I pickled had enamel coming off (usually tiny pieces..) in bits
and I wasn't sure if it was the pickle, or my application of the
enamel in the first place. I'm kinda new at this....but I suppose
that's fairly obvious...

I saw Sparex and was thinking of Cratex rubberised abrasive. Sparex is
apparently a sodium bisulphate based pickle so I have not used it.
Personally I have no problem with dilute sulphuric acid as it is a
fairly safe, I always use eye protection with any chemical, other
protection depending on the hazards of the chemical.

Not sure why the bits would be coming off, close inspection might reveal
a reason. I presume you are putting the enamelled piece in the pickle
cold. My main experience with pickling is after silver soldering brass
and copper parts which can be thrown in the pickle hot but that would
likely kill the enamel from the sudden cooling.


The other thing that I noticed about the 'Acid based pickles' is that
the copper turns this really 'Pink color', which I assume is normal.
The problem with this, is that I need to get that "Shiny Copper" look
back and I end up having to use the dremel either way..... Somewhat
frustrating really.

Normal in my experience also.


Do you know of a protective GUM or some kind of BINDER that might be
applied to the copper (where the enamel is not...) PRE-FIRING that
might shield the copper from some of the really nasty firescale ?

I can't think of anything at the moment but I don't do a lot of
enamelling. Batt wash sprung to mind but I know that won't stick to the
copper from experince slumping over batt wash covered copper formers,
can lead to some nice effects though. Might be worth giving graphite a
try, other than that some sort of kiln with a reducing or inert
atmosphere might be in order to prevent the oxidation on the exposed
copper. A reducing atmosphere might create problems with certain colours
though.




Cheers,

/FC- Hide quoted text -

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- Show quoted text -


David,

I've been putting my pieces in a warm Sparex solution when there are
cold. I did a few hot pieces once in a really warm pickle and even
that turned out....errr, nasty to say the least !
I believe it has been my application that kinda screwed things up. I
put a few pieces together today and put more 'tooth' into the copper
before I enameled and low and behold, the enamel seems to be adhering
much better. I think I'll try your suggestion regarding the mild
sulphuric acid....

One of the things I found difficult with enamelling was getting the
pieces absolutely clean so the enamel stuck properly. As the exposed
areas will oxidise over time are you gong to lacquer them or let them
dull down, I presume a clear enamel coat is not what you are after.

I really can't say if dilute sulphuric acid will be any better as I have
never done a comparison, mainly I just noted that Sparex was mentioned
as a safe alternative to sulphuric acid pickle, but having looked at the
MSDS for sodium bisulphate I would treat both the same.
Sorry for my complete ignorance but what is BATT wash ? Is that like
a kiln wash ?


Maybe Batt wash is a UK name, it is the stuff you put on kiln shelves to
stop the pieces sticking.

Also, the graphite of which you speak... Is that graphite powder ?

I got a sort of liquid graphite or carbon product from
www.graphitestore.com , in the US, I was intending it for covering steel
for certain glassblowing items. I have not tried it for masking copper
areas. I think first I would try to crush up some graphite and apply
it to the area to be covered, maybe with a small amount of oil as a
binder.
You sound like you know quite a bit about glass. Do you do a lot of
slumping and stained glass work ?

Mainly glassblowing but I do a little bit of slumping, not done stained
glass since a brief try as a teenager years ago. Main background is in
metal but I always wanted to try glassblowing and had an opportunity
about 8 years ago, not looked back since.
Thanks again,

/FC

On Mar 1, 1:24*pm, Jman wrote:

Muhahahahah....

Tis' funny.....- Hide quoted text -

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You know what's funny? Both you and Dennis are using the same server
out of Calgary. Here's Dennis's:

OrgName: Shaw Communications Inc.
OrgID: SHAWC
Address: Suite 800
Address: 630 - 3rd Ave. SW
City: Calgary
StateProv: AB
PostalCode: T2P-4L4
Country: CA

ReferralServer: rwhois://rs1so.cg.shawcable.net:4321

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NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS7.NO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
NameServer: NS8.SO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 1996-06-03
Updated: 2006-02-08

And here's yours:

OrgName: Shaw Communications Inc.
OrgID: SHAWC
Address: Suite 800
Address: 630 - 3rd Ave. SW
City: Calgary
StateProv: AB
PostalCode: T2P-4L4
Country: CA

ReferralServer: rwhois://rs1so.cg.shawcable.net:4321

NetRange: 68.144.0.0 - 68.151.255.255
CIDR: 68.144.0.0/13
NetName: SHAW-COMM
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NetType: Direct Allocation
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RegDate: 2002-06-03
Updated: 2006-02-08


What a coincedence, wouldn't you say?

On Mar 1, 1:47 pm, Chemo the Clown wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:24 pm, Jman wrote:

Muhahahahah....

Tis' funny.....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know what's funny? Both you and Dennis are using the same server
out of Calgary. Here's Dennis's:

OrgName: Shaw Communications Inc.
OrgID: SHAWC
Address: Suite 800
Address: 630 - 3rd Ave. SW
City: Calgary
StateProv: AB
PostalCode: T2P-4L4
Country: CA

ReferralServer: rwhois://rs1so.cg.shawcable.net:4321

NetRange: 24.64.0.0 - 24.71.255.255
CIDR: 24.64.0.0/13
NetName: SHAW-COMM
NetHandle: NET-24-64-0-0-1
Parent: NET-24-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS7.NO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
NameServer: NS8.SO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 1996-06-03
Updated: 2006-02-08

And here's yours:

OrgName: Shaw Communications Inc.
OrgID: SHAWC
Address: Suite 800
Address: 630 - 3rd Ave. SW
City: Calgary
StateProv: AB
PostalCode: T2P-4L4
Country: CA

ReferralServer: rwhois://rs1so.cg.shawcable.net:4321

NetRange: 68.144.0.0 - 68.151.255.255
CIDR: 68.144.0.0/13
NetName: SHAW-COMM
NetHandle: NET-68-144-0-0-1
Parent: NET-68-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS7.NO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
NameServer: NS8.SO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2002-06-03
Updated: 2006-02-08

What a coincedence, wouldn't you say?

The only coincidence (please note that I, unlike you and your bitch
buddies, know how to spell multi-syllable words) is you having
supplied irrefutable proof you really are as much a halfwitted dolt as
you seem in your posts. Most of Canada is on Shaw Cable (from
Victoria on the west to Halifax on the east). Everyone on Shaw have
the same IP in Calgary - when coincidentally (see...I really can spell
it) Shaw is located.

Does **** for brains run in your family? Do the rest of your
compadres here (especially the one from Gator**** Georgia) share your
affliction? They have already demonstrated they share your
illiteracy.

Pretty friggin' lame if your only recourse for refuttal is to search
out IP address. Sad sick lame little lad.

On Mar 1, 2:00*pm, wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:47 pm, Chemo the Clown wrote:





On Mar 1, 1:24 pm, Jman wrote:

Muhahahahah....

Tis' funny.....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know what's funny? Both you and Dennis are using the same server
out of Calgary. Here's Dennis's:

OrgName: * *Shaw Communications Inc.
OrgID: * * *SHAWC
Address: * *Suite 800
Address: * *630 - 3rd Ave. SW
City: * * * Calgary
StateProv: *AB
PostalCode: T2P-4L4
Country: * *CA

ReferralServer: rwhois://rs1so.cg.shawcable.net:4321

NetRange: * 24.64.0.0 - 24.71.255.255
CIDR: * * * 24.64.0.0/13
NetName: * *SHAW-COMM
NetHandle: *NET-24-64-0-0-1
Parent: * * NET-24-0-0-0-0
NetType: * *Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS7.NO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
NameServer: NS8.SO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
Comment:
RegDate: * *1996-06-03
Updated: * *2006-02-08

And here's yours:

OrgName: * *Shaw Communications Inc.
OrgID: * * *SHAWC
Address: * *Suite 800
Address: * *630 - 3rd Ave. SW
City: * * * Calgary
StateProv: *AB
PostalCode: T2P-4L4
Country: * *CA

ReferralServer: rwhois://rs1so.cg.shawcable.net:4321

NetRange: * 68.144.0.0 - 68.151.255.255
CIDR: * * * 68.144.0.0/13
NetName: * *SHAW-COMM
NetHandle: *NET-68-144-0-0-1
Parent: * * NET-68-0-0-0-0
NetType: * *Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS7.NO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
NameServer: NS8.SO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
Comment: * *ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: * *2002-06-03
Updated: * *2006-02-08

What a coincedence, wouldn't you say?

The only coincidence (please note that I, unlike you and your bitch
buddies, know how to spell multi-syllable words) is you having
supplied irrefutable proof you really are as much a halfwitted dolt as
you seem in your posts. *Most of Canada is on Shaw Cable (from
Victoria on the west to Halifax on the east). *Everyone on Shaw have
the same IP in Calgary - when coincidentally (see...I really can spell
it) Shaw is located.

Does **** for brains run in your family? *Do the rest of your
compadres here (especially the one from Gator**** Georgia) share your
affliction? *They have already demonstrated they share your
illiteracy.

Pretty friggin' lame if your only recourse for refuttal is to search
out IP address. *Sad sick lame little lad.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pullin' yer chain is a hoot! And...better a hwalfwit than a wholewit
like you...btw...I still love those kiln wash instructions.

On Mar 1, 2:03 pm, Chemo the Clown wrote:
On Mar 1, 2:00 pm, wrote:



On Mar 1, 1:47 pm, Chemo the Clown wrote:

On Mar 1, 1:24 pm, Jman wrote:

Muhahahahah....

Tis' funny.....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know what's funny? Both you and Dennis are using the same server
out of Calgary. Here's Dennis's:

OrgName: Shaw Communications Inc.
OrgID: SHAWC
Address: Suite 800
Address: 630 - 3rd Ave. SW
City: Calgary
StateProv: AB
PostalCode: T2P-4L4
Country: CA

ReferralServer: rwhois://rs1so.cg.shawcable.net:4321

NetRange: 24.64.0.0 - 24.71.255.255
CIDR: 24.64.0.0/13
NetName: SHAW-COMM
NetHandle: NET-24-64-0-0-1
Parent: NET-24-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS7.NO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
NameServer: NS8.SO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 1996-06-03
Updated: 2006-02-08

And here's yours:

OrgName: Shaw Communications Inc.
OrgID: SHAWC
Address: Suite 800
Address: 630 - 3rd Ave. SW
City: Calgary
StateProv: AB
PostalCode: T2P-4L4
Country: CA

ReferralServer: rwhois://rs1so.cg.shawcable.net:4321

NetRange: 68.144.0.0 - 68.151.255.255
CIDR: 68.144.0.0/13
NetName: SHAW-COMM
NetHandle: NET-68-144-0-0-1
Parent: NET-68-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS7.NO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
NameServer: NS8.SO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2002-06-03
Updated: 2006-02-08

What a coincedence, wouldn't you say?

The only coincidence (please note that I, unlike you and your bitch
buddies, know how to spell multi-syllable words) is you having
supplied irrefutable proof you really are as much a halfwitted dolt as
you seem in your posts. Most of Canada is on Shaw Cable (from
Victoria on the west to Halifax on the east). Everyone on Shaw have
the same IP in Calgary - when coincidentally (see...I really can spell
it) Shaw is located.

Does **** for brains run in your family? Do the rest of your
compadres here (especially the one from Gator**** Georgia) share your
affliction? They have already demonstrated they share your
illiteracy.

Pretty friggin' lame if your only recourse for refuttal is to search
out IP address. Sad sick lame little lad.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pullin' yer chain is a hoot! And...better a hwalfwit than a wholewit
like you...btw...I still love those kiln wash instructions.

Can you read them okay? Do you need me to use smaller words? Would
more pictures help?

On Mar 1, 3:53*pm, wrote:
On Mar 1, 2:03 pm, Chemo the Clown wrote:





On Mar 1, 2:00 pm, wrote:

On Mar 1, 1:47 pm, Chemo the Clown wrote:

On Mar 1, 1:24 pm, Jman wrote:

Muhahahahah....

Tis' funny.....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know what's funny? Both you and Dennis are using the same server
out of Calgary. Here's Dennis's:

OrgName: * *Shaw Communications Inc.
OrgID: * * *SHAWC
Address: * *Suite 800
Address: * *630 - 3rd Ave. SW
City: * * * Calgary
StateProv: *AB
PostalCode: T2P-4L4
Country: * *CA

ReferralServer: rwhois://rs1so.cg.shawcable.net:4321

NetRange: * 24.64.0.0 - 24.71.255.255
CIDR: * * * 24.64.0.0/13
NetName: * *SHAW-COMM
NetHandle: *NET-24-64-0-0-1
Parent: * * NET-24-0-0-0-0
NetType: * *Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS7.NO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
NameServer: NS8.SO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
Comment:
RegDate: * *1996-06-03
Updated: * *2006-02-08

And here's yours:

OrgName: * *Shaw Communications Inc.
OrgID: * * *SHAWC
Address: * *Suite 800
Address: * *630 - 3rd Ave. SW
City: * * * Calgary
StateProv: *AB
PostalCode: T2P-4L4
Country: * *CA

ReferralServer: rwhois://rs1so.cg.shawcable.net:4321

NetRange: * 68.144.0.0 - 68.151.255.255
CIDR: * * * 68.144.0.0/13
NetName: * *SHAW-COMM
NetHandle: *NET-68-144-0-0-1
Parent: * * NET-68-0-0-0-0
NetType: * *Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS7.NO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
NameServer: NS8.SO.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET
Comment: * *ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: * *2002-06-03
Updated: * *2006-02-08

What a coincedence, wouldn't you say?

The only coincidence (please note that I, unlike you and your bitch
buddies, know how to spell multi-syllable words) is you having
supplied irrefutable proof you really are as much a halfwitted dolt as
you seem in your posts. *Most of Canada is on Shaw Cable (from
Victoria on the west to Halifax on the east). *Everyone on Shaw have
the same IP in Calgary - when coincidentally (see...I really can spell
it) Shaw is located.

Does **** for brains run in your family? *Do the rest of your
compadres here (especially the one from Gator**** Georgia) share your
affliction? *They have already demonstrated they share your
illiteracy.

Pretty friggin' lame if your only recourse for refuttal is to search
out IP address. *Sad sick lame little lad.- Hide quoted text -

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Pullin' yer chain is a hoot! And...better a hwalfwit than a wholewit
like you...btw...I still love those kiln wash instructions.

Can you read them okay? *Do you need me to use smaller words? *Would
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You might add instructions.....just a thought. Oh yeah, clean your
fingernails in the videos.