Firing Onglaze.

In message , Rosalind Lacey
writes
Thanks Donna

Not the info I was seeking and not strictly to do with the 'onglaze' medium
I was referring to. I guess I will find something about the firing
somewhere, or will have to do my own experiments.

Roz. Are you talking about firing onglaze enamels and/or lustres and
the mediums used to do this?

Susie
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Yes indeed Susie

The mixing of stains with various mediums and producing designs/pictures on
top of already fired glaze. I was hoping an onglaze specialist would be
able to say 'this is what I do and it is very successful'. I fire it to ?
ramp for ? number of hours - soak whatever. Ditto for lustres, gold etc.
I have found a lot of conflicting text information, some of which I know
doesn't work. It is obvious, I aint doing it right and am fed up with
spoiling my work.

Roz

"Susie" wrote in message
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In message , Rosalind Lacey
writes
Thanks Donna

Not the info I was seeking and not strictly to do with the 'onglaze'
medium
I was referring to. I guess I will find something about the firing
somewhere, or will have to do my own experiments.

Roz. Are you talking about firing onglaze enamels and/or lustres and the
mediums used to do this?

Susie
--
Susie Thompson
If you can't stand the heat, don't tickle the dragon!
to email me, replace deadspam.com with susiethompson.co.uk

In message , Rosalind Lacey
writes
Yes indeed Susie

The mixing of stains with various mediums and producing designs/pictures on
top of already fired glaze. I was hoping an onglaze specialist would be
able to say 'this is what I do and it is very successful'. I fire it to ?
ramp for ? number of hours - soak whatever. Ditto for lustres, gold etc.
I have found a lot of conflicting text information, some of which I know
doesn't work. It is obvious, I aint doing it right and am fed up with
spoiling my work.

Roz

Roz

I've been doing this for a long, long time. It's a complicated and
difficult area. I never went through college and I've had to learn from
books and advice from others. And mistakes like not venting the kiln
sufficiently so I got permanent smutty marks all over prized work :-((
Not easy. I enjoy home cooking and I usually regard my work along the
same lines. Read the labels, follow the recipe, follow instructions and
cook (fire) to recommended temperature! In theory it should turn out
ok. I ramp the firings depending on the size and the "thermal
shockability" of the piece. Also I never soak anything.

I have found that pinks, redsand purples fire out at lower temperatures
and blues and greens are the more stable at higher temperatures, with
variations in the rainbow of colours in between. I'm still
experimenting. I don't like the smell of some of the mediums used -
they can be a health hazard too. So, I mostly just mix up the enamels
with water, which means that they dry like a layer of dust on the
surface of work, which can be all too easily disturbed. With lustres
there's no choice, I have to use the thinners :-((

I don't have any books that I can recommend. Is there anywhere near you
that runs classes in on-glaze painting? That's probably the best route
to take, if you can. Like you, I've found conflicting information. As
so many of the colours need firing within specific temperature ranges, I
really do stick to reading the labels. Cadmium selenium reds can cope
with higher temperatures than most of the other reds/pinks/purples.
Problems begin when you find out that you just can't mix the C.S.
colours with the rest. And maybe you can't get just exactly the colour
you're after and have to compromise.

The more I learn, the more admiration and respect I have for the china
painters who went before us - Sevres, Meissen et al - we have all the
technology to help us. All they had were basic firing techniques, a lot
of patience and astonishing skills.

If you think I can help at all, let me know. Email me privately if you
wish. I'd be interested to know what you're trying to accomplish.

If anybody else out there has advice or information that can help both
Roz and myself, I'd love to know.

Good luck
regards
Susie
--
Susie Thompson
If you can't stand the heat, don't tickle the dragon!
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http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm

I continue to look out of curiosity and did find this (do a search for
onglaze - the one book that keeps coming up is by Heather Tailor.

This artist is in your country and might be helpful - "I'm also happy to
answer any questions you may have..." , she says.

http://www.janri.com.au/china-painting.htm
http://www.janri.com.au/resume.htm#Kutani



"Rosalind Lacey" wrote in message
...
Thanks Donna

Not the info I was seeking and not strictly to do with the 'onglaze'
medium I was referring to. I guess I will find something about the firing
somewhere, or will have to do my own experiments.

Thanks again

Roz

"DKat" wrote in message
...
Yes there are Aussies and Kiwis here (hope that isn't offensive - I'll
blame it on my Friend from New Zealand if it is) but Not I - from U.S. of
A... I had no idea what onglaze was and made the bad assumption you
meant 'on glaze'. The rest only makes sense if you are a scifi or
fantasy fan.

I thought the 2 links I posted had good info. Sorry if they were of no
use. Donna


"Rosalind Lacey" wrote in message
...
Wow ! What was all that about ?
Onglaze is exactly what it says. Any Australians out there ? - I know
they like to do 'onglaze' work. Yep! I learned that if I fire onglaze
work for 12 hours, it burns off, so I'm looking for specific
instructions, before I ruin any more of my painstaking efforts.

I have been making an arse of myself for years but what a learning curve
eh ?! How else can you learn how to go potty !


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"Rosalind Lacey" wrote in message
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I have more or less all the info I need about mixing and applying
onglaze
but little knowledge of the firing process. Oddly enough the
books I
have
on 'painting techniques' fail to give details of the firing and
for how
long etc. They seem to assume one would automatically know this
?
Someone
has said 2 to 3 hours and fast. Any advice would be much
appreciated..


Wow! - well first off I will show my ignorance - what is
'onglaze'?

Google is your friend.


Ok, that was pure laziness on my part. There really is something
called
onglaze. Silly me, I assumed... well it is pretty clear what I
assumed.
How does it go - assume makes an ass of u and me... (in this case
forget
the u)

Of course it's possible that Google (the whole Internet?) is actually
The Matrix and none of it is real ... in which case I'm screwed
because
I have a lousy memory and rely on it far too much. :-)

I know what you mean... I've been thinking of building a visor (think
Geordie) that has google in the upper corner and a microphone that
translates subvocal words into text for a search (lift the right
eyebrow for search and the left page... twitch the nose to bring up
your todo list for the day...). Do you think there's a market for it?
It can't be any stranger than all the people that now go around
talking into cell phone mics with no around them. It really has taken
away the glamour of being the eccentric log lady that I am.

And speaking of the matrix... I gotta tell these guys that I'm much
more productive when things are going well than when I have to deal
with all the petty frustrations they throw in....

Thanks Susie and Janette - I will be contacting you both to pick your
brains. I agree, it is painstaking but that polished enamel effect is well
worth it. It was by accident the first time. Someone suggested I could
disguise some blemishes on a bad firing of a model and the result was
marvellous. It is a new challenge and I do want to get it right, plus I
can't afford any more disasters.

Roz

"DKat" wrote in message
...
http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm

I continue to look out of curiosity and did find this (do a search for
onglaze - the one book that keeps coming up is by Heather Tailor.

This artist is in your country and might be helpful - "I'm also happy to
answer any questions you may have..." , she says.

http://www.janri.com.au/china-painting.htm
http://www.janri.com.au/resume.htm#Kutani



"Rosalind Lacey" wrote in message
...
Thanks Donna

Not the info I was seeking and not strictly to do with the 'onglaze'
medium I was referring to. I guess I will find something about the
firing somewhere, or will have to do my own experiments.

Thanks again

Roz

"DKat" wrote in message
...
Yes there are Aussies and Kiwis here (hope that isn't offensive - I'll
blame it on my Friend from New Zealand if it is) but Not I - from U.S.
of A... I had no idea what onglaze was and made the bad assumption you
meant 'on glaze'. The rest only makes sense if you are a scifi or
fantasy fan.

I thought the 2 links I posted had good info. Sorry if they were of no
use. Donna


"Rosalind Lacey" wrote in message
...
Wow ! What was all that about ?
Onglaze is exactly what it says. Any Australians out there ? - I know
they like to do 'onglaze' work. Yep! I learned that if I fire onglaze
work for 12 hours, it burns off, so I'm looking for specific
instructions, before I ruin any more of my painstaking efforts.

I have been making an arse of myself for years but what a learning
curve eh ?! How else can you learn how to go potty !


"DKat" wrote in message
...

"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article , DKat
says...

"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article , DKat
says...

"Rosalind Lacey" wrote in message
...
I have more or less all the info I need about mixing and
applying
onglaze
but little knowledge of the firing process. Oddly enough the
books I
have
on 'painting techniques' fail to give details of the firing and
for how
long etc. They seem to assume one would automatically know this
?
Someone
has said 2 to 3 hours and fast. Any advice would be much
appreciated..


Wow! - well first off I will show my ignorance - what is
'onglaze'?

Google is your friend.


Ok, that was pure laziness on my part. There really is something
called
onglaze. Silly me, I assumed... well it is pretty clear what I
assumed.
How does it go - assume makes an ass of u and me... (in this case
forget
the u)

Of course it's possible that Google (the whole Internet?) is actually
The Matrix and none of it is real ... in which case I'm screwed
because
I have a lousy memory and rely on it far too much. :-)

I know what you mean... I've been thinking of building a visor (think
Geordie) that has google in the upper corner and a microphone that
translates subvocal words into text for a search (lift the right
eyebrow for search and the left page... twitch the nose to bring up
your todo list for the day...). Do you think there's a market for it?
It can't be any stranger than all the people that now go around
talking into cell phone mics with no around them. It really has taken
away the glamour of being the eccentric log lady that I am.

And speaking of the matrix... I gotta tell these guys that I'm much
more productive when things are going well than when I have to deal
with all the petty frustrations they throw in....