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Old January 13th 05, 10:15 PM
Kandice Seeber
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Oh, Marjean - that just sucks!!!

See, I know this is going to happen to a lot of established bead sellers
on ebay. The stores were expensive enough to begin with - but now they are
just too expensive for a lot of people. The ones who will survive are the
larger stores. Notice that the Featured and Anchor stores are not having to
pay any increase in monthly subscription. It's as if ebay wants to cater to
the large businesses and leave the smaller mom and pop business out in the
cold.

I am sure that this is a fine business decision for *them*, but seriously,
they increased prices already not too long ago.

Ebay is one of the most successful web entites ever. So I just don't see
why they are doing this.

Auctions are still doable for those of us who can make our own beads -
there's still a good balance of supply and demand.
But resalers are going to have a really hard time staying in business unless
they're huge.

Marjean - are you able to do sales on a website - I am sure your loyal
customers will follow you anywhere!

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I have reached a resistance point for my bead prices and have been fighting
the Wally World mentality that seems to permeate the bead market on eBay.
Once the increases go into effect I will be effectively forking over 11% of
every sale I make to eBay in the form of insertion fees, final value fees
AND PayPal fees. And that doesn't cover the cost of my store subscription,
my auction management program subscription and my eBay reports
subscription, which will come to another $46.00 a month. And what do I get
for all of that?? No exposure when people do searches because store items
don't regularly show up in the results.

So while the store idea worked for me, saved me money in the long run for
insertion fees, this increase may just prove to be the final nail in the
coffin of Halsey Trading Company. Haven't made a final decision yet, but
I may just close the business down this spring. I'm even thinking of
trashing my trip to Tucson and just eating the airfare cost - don't really
want to pay out more money for hotel/car rental if I'm not staying in
business.

Perhaps it's just time to move on to something else!

Mj

--
=================================
Marjean Cline
Halsey Trading Company
eBay ID: ladymorgause
http://stores.ebay.com/Halsey-Tradin...ny?refid=store
=================================
"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
I understand slight increases at regular intervals. But this is a huge
increase. 60-100%.
I agree that for auctions, this isn't a huge deal, and can even help cull
the imported stuff and bring us some exposure.

But for stores, this is major, and it will be reflected in glass prices
on ebay for sure - and likely bead prices as well. Not good for the
buyers.

I do agree that this means that people will likely move inventory to
off-ebay websites, and buyers will move with that inventory. Not good
for ebay. But oh, well. LOL

Why I will probably do is close my store, have a huge sale and then keep
doing auctions. Auctions are good advertising for sure. But the basic
ebay storefront has become useless. If they are going to raise the
prices, they need to raise the exposure that stores get.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I think it's just the course of business. All prices rise.

From a business standpoint, I like a little higher fee. It might make
people think twice about what they list. For stores I think it helps
them to not be holding tanks for what didn't sell at auction...at least
that is what mine was at the time. It's like a bottomless free re-list
pit for some people. Sorry if that sounds callous, but I'm looking at
my auctions getting drowned in imported stuff selling for peanuts or
less and I was drowning my own auctions with my non-selling store items.
I can do that just fine on my already paid for web site, thank you very
much.

As for people selling their personal stuff, it is a bit sad but just
work it into the price and there shouldn't be a problem.

I still think eBay is some of the best and least expensive advertising
you can get.

Just my thoughts.


--
--------------------------------------
Lori Greenberg
www.beadnerd.com
ebay:
http://snipurl.com/5wlc

justbeads:
http://snipurl.com/axek

"Jim Moore" wrote in message
ink.net...
Hello all you beaders.

What might your thoughts be on this little email message I just
received.

Another banner year for Ebay.
They offered free listings or fees for the Tsunami tragedy.. must be
trying to recoup there money.

Jim Moore

What was life like before Ebay?

Just click on the below URL and let me know your thoughts on this
bull----




http://www2.ebay.com:80/aw/marketing...05-01-12075944


The eBay user " has sent the following message to the
group: eBay Announcements



from:
to: eBay Announcements


================================================


================================================

***eBay.com / eBay Motors Fee Changes***
Date: 01/12/05 Time: 08:03:05 AM PST

Today, we announced that eBay.com and eBay Motors will be making
changes to the fee structure effective February 18, 2005. Items that
are scheduled to begin on eBay.com or eBay Motors after midnight
Pacific Time on February 18, 2005 will be charged based on the new
fees.

If you have not already received an email from eBay with details of
these changes, please click here
[
http://www2.ebay.com:80/aw/marketing...5-01-12075944] to view
the detailed announcement on our Announcement Board.


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They offered free listings or fees for the Tsunami tradegdy.. must be
trying to recoup there money.

Jim Moore

What was life like before Ebay?





My religion is simple....
My religion is kindness...


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  #12  
Old January 13th 05, 10:27 PM
Kandice Seeber
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Just a heads up - there's now a petition you can sign if you are against the
ebay fees. There are over 1500 signatures so far. Please, if you are against
these fees, go over there and sign! It might not do any good, but at least
it might help some of us feel better.

http://www.petitiononline.com/ebayfee/petition.html

Kandice

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net
"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
Oh, Marjean - that just sucks!!!

See, I know this is going to happen to a lot of established bead
sellers on ebay. The stores were expensive enough to begin with - but now
they are just too expensive for a lot of people. The ones who will survive
are the larger stores. Notice that the Featured and Anchor stores are not
having to pay any increase in monthly subscription. It's as if ebay wants
to cater to the large businesses and leave the smaller mom and pop
business out in the cold.

I am sure that this is a fine business decision for *them*, but seriously,
they increased prices already not too long ago.

Ebay is one of the most successful web entites ever. So I just don't see
why they are doing this.

Auctions are still doable for those of us who can make our own beads -
there's still a good balance of supply and demand.
But resalers are going to have a really hard time staying in business
unless they're huge.

Marjean - are you able to do sales on a website - I am sure your loyal
customers will follow you anywhere!

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I have reached a resistance point for my bead prices and have been
fighting the Wally World mentality that seems to permeate the bead market
on eBay. Once the increases go into effect I will be effectively forking
over 11% of every sale I make to eBay in the form of insertion fees, final
value fees AND PayPal fees. And that doesn't cover the cost of my store
subscription, my auction management program subscription and my eBay
reports subscription, which will come to another $46.00 a month. And what
do I get for all of that?? No exposure when people do searches because
store items don't regularly show up in the results.

So while the store idea worked for me, saved me money in the long run for
insertion fees, this increase may just prove to be the final nail in the
coffin of Halsey Trading Company. Haven't made a final decision yet, but
I may just close the business down this spring. I'm even thinking of
trashing my trip to Tucson and just eating the airfare cost - don't
really want to pay out more money for hotel/car rental if I'm not staying
in business.

Perhaps it's just time to move on to something else!

Mj

--
=================================
Marjean Cline
Halsey Trading Company
eBay ID: ladymorgause
http://stores.ebay.com/Halsey-Tradin...ny?refid=store
=================================
"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
I understand slight increases at regular intervals. But this is a huge
increase. 60-100%.
I agree that for auctions, this isn't a huge deal, and can even help
cull the imported stuff and bring us some exposure.

But for stores, this is major, and it will be reflected in glass prices
on ebay for sure - and likely bead prices as well. Not good for the
buyers.

I do agree that this means that people will likely move inventory to
off-ebay websites, and buyers will move with that inventory. Not good
for ebay. But oh, well. LOL

Why I will probably do is close my store, have a huge sale and then keep
doing auctions. Auctions are good advertising for sure. But the basic
ebay storefront has become useless. If they are going to raise the
prices, they need to raise the exposure that stores get.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I think it's just the course of business. All prices rise.

From a business standpoint, I like a little higher fee. It might make
people think twice about what they list. For stores I think it helps
them to not be holding tanks for what didn't sell at auction...at least
that is what mine was at the time. It's like a bottomless free re-list
pit for some people. Sorry if that sounds callous, but I'm looking at
my auctions getting drowned in imported stuff selling for peanuts or
less and I was drowning my own auctions with my non-selling store
items. I can do that just fine on my already paid for web site, thank
you very much.

As for people selling their personal stuff, it is a bit sad but just
work it into the price and there shouldn't be a problem.

I still think eBay is some of the best and least expensive advertising
you can get.

Just my thoughts.


--
--------------------------------------
Lori Greenberg
www.beadnerd.com
ebay:
http://snipurl.com/5wlc

justbeads:
http://snipurl.com/axek

"Jim Moore" wrote in message
ink.net...
Hello all you beaders.

What might your thoughts be on this little email message I just
received.

Another banner year for Ebay.
They offered free listings or fees for the Tsunami tragedy.. must be
trying to recoup there money.

Jim Moore

What was life like before Ebay?

Just click on the below URL and let me know your thoughts on this
bull----




http://www2.ebay.com:80/aw/marketing...05-01-12075944


The eBay user " has sent the following message to the
group: eBay Announcements



from:
to: eBay Announcements


================================================


================================================

***eBay.com / eBay Motors Fee Changes***
Date: 01/12/05 Time: 08:03:05 AM PST

Today, we announced that eBay.com and eBay Motors will be making
changes to the fee structure effective February 18, 2005. Items that
are scheduled to begin on eBay.com or eBay Motors after midnight
Pacific Time on February 18, 2005 will be charged based on the new
fees.

If you have not already received an email from eBay with details of
these changes, please click here
[
http://www2.ebay.com:80/aw/marketing...5-01-12075944] to view
the detailed announcement on our Announcement Board.


================================================
Note: If you do not wish to receive this notification, please
unsubscribe
from this group by clicking on the "Remove Me" link under Group
Controls.

INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO SIGN UP FOR EMAIL ANNOUNCEMENTS

If you know of anyone else who you think would like to receive our
announcements in email form, please have them go to the Announcement
Board
Group in the Community section of eBay. They can get there by:
1) Going to www.ebay.com http://www.ebay.com
2) Clicking on Community in the top header
3) Clicking on "eBay Groups" in the "People" square
4) Going to the "News and Events" heading and clicking on the
"Announcements" link.
5) Clicking "eBay Announcements" on the next page
From this page, just click "Join Group" on the right-hand side, and
you're
all set!
You can also go straight to the Announcement Board Group homepage by
using
this URL: http://groups.ebay.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1072

TO GET TO THE ANNOUNCEMENT BOARD DIRECTLY:
1) Click Community in the header at the top of almost every eBay page
2) Click on "General Announcements" in the "News" box
Please note: Please do not reply to these emails, as we will be unable
to
answer them. Thanks!


Note: Some group members may not be able to view messages with HTML
tags. They can change their group Preference by selecting the HTML
button next to the 'Receive email in' option.

If you do not wish to receive email communications from this group,
log on to groups.ebay.com and then select "My Groups." From there,
click "Prefs" next to the group name and select the "No" check box
next to "Receive email sent to the entire group."

Visit our Privacy Policy
(http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-priv.html) and User
Agreement (http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-user.html) if you
have any questions.

Copyright © 2004 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective
owners.

eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc.

eBay is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125

Another banner year for Ebay.
They offered free listings or fees for the Tsunami tradegdy.. must be
trying to recoup there money.

Jim Moore

What was life like before Ebay?





My religion is simple....
My religion is kindness...


Tenzin Gyatso
AKA The 14th Dalai Lama











  #13  
Old January 13th 05, 10:38 PM
Dr. Sooz
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Done. Damn them. They could at least increase the fees for anchor and
featured stores too. HYPOCRITES. Big business, favored by eBay *and*
our President.....

  #14  
Old January 13th 05, 10:49 PM
Dr. Sooz
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~~~Marjean - are you able to do sales on a website - I am sure your
loyal customers will follow you anywhere!~~~

Marjean, I understand it may not be worth your while to do it via
auctions alone, but I just want to say OMTP. ~Sooz

  #15  
Old January 13th 05, 10:52 PM
Dr. Sooz
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~~~~~You know, it's not as if eBay doesn't make a ton of money. Why the
rate increase? Sheesh.~~~

I should've said why the huge% rate increase. A rate increase, sure --
but 60%-100%? That's just rape.

  #16  
Old January 13th 05, 10:57 PM
Shirley Shone
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I love the Aqua plunge and the Caribbean Blue but unfortunately I do not
do Paypal.
Shirley



In message . net, Jim
Moore writes
I guess a rate increase is OK. Ebay is still the cheapest way to sell your
"stuff"
What annoys me is there annual notices of having a "Banner Year" and thanks
to all you sellers and buyers for making Ebay such a success!! Then......a
month later comes a rate increase. Greed?

I am an old man in my 70's. I'm a retired jeweler. A real jeweler who was
able to cast, channel set diamonds, cut stones and everything else that went
with it. I could do it all. Now my eyes are not so good and I'm too old to
do shows anymore. I used to sell gemstones. mostly precious and mount them
while you wait in custom settings that I had made out of gold.

A few years ago I saw someone make a lampwork bead and fell in love
instantly. Now I make a few bucks to supplement my Soc. Sec. and that works
out pretty good. But if Meg keeps on jacking up the price to peddle my
"stuff" on her site, I will have to change my plan.

I also have a website www.terrafirmabeads.com It seems that the people that
I sell to on ebay (many repeat customers) will not buy from my website. I
even offer free shipping. I just don't get it.

Just more thoughts...

Jim ) AKA The Old Man and the Bead



--
Shirley Shone
  #17  
Old January 13th 05, 10:58 PM
Kandice Seeber
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Wow - in less than half an hour, the signatures are up over 1800. If this
keeps up, the petition will be on the top 25 list by tonight.
The link has been posted all over ebay's community boards and groups, but if
you know of anywhere else you can post it, please feel free. Just don't spam
any groups.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net


Just a heads up - there's now a petition you can sign if you are against
the ebay fees. There are over 1500 signatures so far. Please, if you are
against these fees, go over there and sign! It might not do any good, but
at least it might help some of us feel better.

http://www.petitiononline.com/ebayfee/petition.html



  #18  
Old January 13th 05, 11:09 PM
Kandice Seeber
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Some interesting threads on the subject - lots of good mathematical info for
those who are considering whether to close:

http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.js...105 653735876
on the jewelry forum on ebay

http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.js...10 5653567072
I don't know about boycotting, personally, but this thread on the auction
listing forum on ebay is fun to read

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/forum.jsp?forum=21
This is the ebay stores forum. Boy, are they ever ****ed!! Most of the
recent threads are about the rate increase. Juuuuust a little light
reading!

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/forum.jsp?forum=143
Seller Central on ebay. Pretty much the same as the above forum, but with
the added benefit of some solution suggestions. (Thank the Goddess - but
the time you are done reading the first three forums, you'll be ready to do
something instead of just talk about it. )


--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net


http://www.petitiononline.com/ebayfee/petition.html




  #19  
Old January 13th 05, 11:14 PM
Dr. Sooz
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~~~I don't know about boycotting, personally~~~

Haw! You know, it went through my head that a one-day boycott of eBay
would bring them to their KNEES. But it's hardly realistic. (Talk
about a mammoth effort)

  #20  
Old January 13th 05, 11:27 PM
Kandice Seeber
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Yep, there are so many ebayers who don't read the forums, it would be really
hard to get a large number of people to boycott.
But here's some interesting information -
so far, there have been something like 1500 store closures since this
morning. According to the boards, thats about 1% of ebay stores. In one
day - that's pretty substantial.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

~~~I don't know about boycotting, personally~~~

Haw! You know, it went through my head that a one-day boycott of eBay
would bring them to their KNEES. But it's hardly realistic. (Talk
about a mammoth effort)



 




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