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I meant the beads I purchase from others too not just the ones I make.
Oh, I know! But I don't make beads, so I felt odd saying OMTP for your entire statement. ~~ Sooz |
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She's pretty damn human, all right! That's a fine quality, I like
people who walk around with their humanity showing. I would have been thinking the same thing, if it had been my auction... "Holy crap, they're only BEADS!" -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay ~Candace~ wrote: http://snipurl.com/8rg2 Hehehehehehehehehehe Corina can't spell. It makes me giggle to see someone with such masterful talent do something so human as mess up the word that says it all--Lampwork. (Lamwork?) |
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It's the difference, in a real-market kind of way, between art and
craft. They may be one and the same to the maker, but the collector will pay that kind of money for something they perceive as collectible art. I think it's a wonderful step forward for lampwork as an art... we're already there as a craft, but we have yet to be truly accepted as a fine art. (I'm not saying that we're all artists, but there are some lampworkers who are, and should be (and aren't) accepted as fine artists). -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay Dr. Sooz wrote: The auction that closed for over $1000: http://snipurl.com/8rg1 (to do her site and read about her reaction to it) Come ON. This is insane. ~~ Sooz |
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I disagree.
Once lampwork *is* accepted as a fine art, and scholars are trained in recognizing the nuances that make up the indelible signature of a bead artist, authenticating them will be, relatively speaking, a piece of cake. No two lampworkers work exactly the same, and while some patterns can be carefully replicated, the existence of detailed photos of these pieces will assist in confirming the artist of origin. Will these retain their value? It's possible. I don't think they could be resold tomorrow for that much (they might go for $1024 to the next-highest bidder though) but in 30 years, they may well still be worth $50+ per bead, or more. I'd be shocked if I was in Corina's shoes, too. Who wouldn't? You'd have to be an egomaniac to see that one coming. From another perspective, it's not that astounding; at least two people perceived those beads as art from a well-known artist, and bid accordingly. -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay Kathy N-V wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:38:39 -0400, Dr. Sooz wrote (in message ): The auction that closed for over $1000: http://snipurl.com/8rg1 (to do her site and read about her reaction to it) Come ON. This is insane. Sooz I agree, and I am usually arguing to raise the prices that the beadmakers get. That was a nice strand of lampwork, and Corina is probably among the most well known lampworkers, but really. I've seen nicer stuff made by our own RCB-ers, and I strongly suspect that this is one set of beads that will not retain its value. The number of people on Earth who know what lampwork is, appreciate it as an art form, know who Corina is, and want to spend $1,000+ on lampwork is vanishingly small. I'd venture to say that the number is either one or two, and those people are the ones who bid that up in the first place. Once the winning bidder has the goods, if she ever wants to sell them, she'd have to get those same conditions to get her money back, and since she isn't going to bid against herself to run up the price, it won't rise anywhere near as high. If those beads are taken apart as a set and used in various pieces of jewelry, there is still very little chance of the person making her money back (much less a profit). After all, are there a bunch of Corina bead fanatics out there who want a piece of jewelry with just one bead and are willing to pay for it? If so, are they all so computer impaired that they couldn't bid on eBay themselves and get a whole strand? Another consideration is that beads aren't signed - they could be "Kathleena Beads" just as easily as "Corina Beads." Once this auction is over and forgotten, unless the person contacts Corina herself (and Corina remembers that particular set of beads - which I think she will), there's no way to authenicate the set - much less an individual bead. Corina herself was shocked and bemused when she wrote about the auction on her own web page. I suspect that she thinks the ending price was insane as well, but certainly won't say so. Kathy N-V |
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Some of my beads are art to me. Some of my sets are art to me, though
the individual beads may not be. All of my beads are just small pieces of glass. As far as I can discern, whether any of my beads are art depends on whether my customers perceive them as art. Trying to quantitatively define art is nearly impossible and debates have raged for millenia over that definition. Try to define soul in a way that everyone agrees on, and then maybe we'll have a basis for defining art. Oh! And then we can tackle defining poetry! -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay starlia wrote: No flame from me but I consider my beads and beads of others as small pieces of art. -- Starlia Klopman www.klopmanstudios.com "Karen_AZ" wrote in message news:vakZc.129060$Lj.37322@fed1read03... ]there's no way to authenicate the set - much less an ]individual bead. some of our offerings are going to have certificates of authentication. they'll be numbered to match. Okay, I need a reality check here. I have a feeling I'm going to get flamed for this but as a beadmaker I still have to say, come on, people.....authentication for lumps of glass???? That's just silly. This isn't fine art, it's just beads. KarenK |
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I think it's a lot of fun! I am a reaction ho, so it's been fun for me
to try to spot ones that I don't already know about. I almost forgot about it until Margie posted the link earlier... whew, got mine sent in the nick of time! -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay Barbara Forbes-Lyons wrote: Back to the matter at hand - what do you think of the current challenge! Several RCBers have entries there. Latest challenge - lots of eye candy: http://snipurl.com/8rfz |
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I thought that as well, but she has an excellent point... the frit
challenge was earlier this year, and adding frits and metals practically guarantees that there will be very few "regular colors" reactions submitted. If you think of the Challenges as information-gleaning missions, it makes a lot more sense. At the end of this month, we will all know a LOT more about glass reactions. And if you want to know more about frit reactions, check out the Frit Challenge page... there is a certain mention (not me) of a certain frit, way back when, that is all of a sudden HOT RATS under a very different name. -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay starlia wrote: I think it's pretty limiting not allowing frit to be involved. I pull frit into stringer and then get very neat reactions. -- Starlia Klopman www.klopmanstudios.com "Barbara Forbes-Lyons" wrote in message ... Back to the matter at hand - what do you think of the current challenge! Several RCBers have entries there. Latest challenge - lots of eye candy: http://snipurl.com/8rfz |
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Kandice wrote:
Why are we judging this person? Can't we just be happy for them and for Corina? It's all a matter of perspective. Exactly! I think it's wonderful, and I hope the great fortune spills over onto other lampwork artists! -Su |
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LOL - well, I'll play semantics and settle for a better word - amazing?
That can be positive of negative. -- Kandice Seeber Air & Earth Designs http://www.lampwork.net Aw gee, I thought it was insane. But then I do think artists should get higher prices for their work. So, okay....I take it back. I have to say that I agree with this. While $1000 is really unusual, it's an insult to call the high bidder of this auction insane. I am sure that person has a very good reason for wanthing those beads that badly, and remember that he/she was not the only one. There has to have been another bidder helping the price get that high. Like I said - maybe that person won the lottery and had her heart set on those beads at any cost. ~~ Sooz |
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Oh, yeah! After all, that's just ink on paper, but the value is intrinsic
(is that the right word?) and subjective. Same with paintings - a painting may take only a few minutes up to a few days to do, and it's only paint on canvas, but the value depends on so many things that it's hard to quantify. -- Kandice Seeber Air & Earth Designs http://www.lampwork.net Some of my beads are art to me. Some of my sets are art to me, though the individual beads may not be. All of my beads are just small pieces of glass. As far as I can discern, whether any of my beads are art depends on whether my customers perceive them as art. Trying to quantitatively define art is nearly impossible and debates have raged for millenia over that definition. Try to define soul in a way that everyone agrees on, and then maybe we'll have a basis for defining art. Oh! And then we can tackle defining poetry! -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay starlia wrote: No flame from me but I consider my beads and beads of others as small pieces of art. -- Starlia Klopman www.klopmanstudios.com "Karen_AZ" wrote in message news:vakZc.129060$Lj.37322@fed1read03... ]there's no way to authenicate the set - much less an ]individual bead. some of our offerings are going to have certificates of authentication. they'll be numbered to match. Okay, I need a reality check here. I have a feeling I'm going to get flamed for this but as a beadmaker I still have to say, come on, people.....authentication for lumps of glass???? That's just silly. This isn't fine art, it's just beads. KarenK |
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