DECEMBER'S BLOCKS - 2005-2006 RCTQ Block-of-the-Month (BOM)

When I worked at a hospital, the administrator told us they didn't have
to deal with the person who had died, but the family left behind. That
is why they (at that time) didn't pay attention to a living will.

Donna in Idaho wrote:
Sandy, I wasn't aware of that. I just assumed - you know what happens when
you assume! Wonder what the reason is that Nevada doesn't recognize living
wills?

Every time we go into our local hospital for tests, they ask if we have a
living will. They have a class (I think once a month) where they explain
all the ramifications of the various choices you can make on your living
will. We went to the class, filled out the living will, they witnessed it &
kept a copy for the hospital file.
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"Phyllis Nilsson" wrote in message
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When I worked at a hospital, the administrator told us they didn't have to
deal with the person who had died, but the family left behind. That is
why they (at that time) didn't pay attention to a living will.

Donna in Idaho wrote:
Sandy, I wasn't aware of that. I just assumed - you know what happens
when you assume! Wonder what the reason is that Nevada doesn't recognize
living wills?

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"Donna in Idaho" wrote:

Sandy, I wasn't aware of that. I just assumed - you know what happens when
you assume! Wonder what the reason is that Nevada doesn't recognize living
wills?
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Website: www.LinusIdaho.org


I don't really know, but I think it's awful. :S
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AKA Dame Sandy, Minister of Education

As far as I can understand it takes quite an amount of courage
for a person to commit suicide.
Dixie.

When I give to you something I made with my hands I share my heart.

When I worked as a chaplain in Philadelphia, I was called by staff a number
of times to help patients complete "advance directives" (living wills). It
was also required prior to my mom's entrance into a nursing home in St.
Paul.

Regardless of their legal standing there, I'd encourage NV residents to do
them. It can't hurt anything, and it may make all the difference in how a
court makes its decisions should it come to that. Even if it doesn't have
legal power, I should think a court would be interested in knowing the
individual's preferences in rendering its decisions.

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"Donna in Idaho" wrote in message
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Every time we go into our local hospital for tests, they ask if we have a
living will. They have a class (I think once a month) where they explain
all the ramifications of the various choices you can make on your living
will. We went to the class, filled out the living will, they witnessed it
& kept a copy for the hospital file.
--
Donna in Idaho
Website: www.LinusIdaho.org

"Phyllis Nilsson" wrote in message
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When I worked at a hospital, the administrator told us they didn't have
to deal with the person who had died, but the family left behind. That
is why they (at that time) didn't pay attention to a living will.

Donna in Idaho wrote:
Sandy, I wasn't aware of that. I just assumed - you know what happens
when you assume! Wonder what the reason is that Nevada doesn't
recognize living wills?

Jenn in CA wrote:

Tia,

I am very sorry for your loss. It never really goes away.

My family and I will never have that kind of closure from my brother's
passing. He was just 16 when he decided it was all too much. .......
He is sorely missed.

Jenn in CA


Oh Jenn, I'm sorry for your loss and sorry I missed the start of this
thread. One wonders just *what* can be so horrible in a young person's
life (assuming there are no severe physical, mental or emotional
concerns) that they feel their only recourse is to end their lives. DD
had a friend who committed suicide in high school -- also at the age of
16. No one had any idea that the young woman was suffering any sort of
problems that would lead her to this decision. VBS -- it was such a
trauma for DD and her friends to deal with and she we all talked about
it continuously for months. THIS is one of the things that just makes
my heart break. I can sort of understand how adults might get into a
state where they feel suicide is their only option. It's just NOT RIGHT
when it happens to young people :*-{ . {{{{Jenn}}}} CiaoMeow ^;;^
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I have debated with myself of adding to this thread -- My DH had RSD which
is much more painful than the diabetic neuropathy he also had. After having
a brain aneurism give way, he was paralised on one side but with no
cognitive problems. He later developed leukemia, and kidney failure in
addition to heart problems. He was at home with me (and a day male aide).
He had a brilliant mind and read classics in the original languages to keep
alert. He did not want to ever be in a wheelchair and struggled to walk. To
cross a room could take an hour.

We talked about living wills and he had one. He asked me if I would help
him if he ever found the pain and life too hard to bear and if he was too
weak to mnanage himself . Because of all the medications he had, he had the
means at hand to go at any time. I did promise but broke down later by
myself. I am one of those "stiff upper lip" Yankees.

He died a week later and we had a last few days when he was in and out of a
coma. Would I have helped?? I don't know and I am eternally grateful that
I was spared that choice. We were married for 13 years and it has been that
long since he died. I still miss his wonderful mind and the way we enjoyed
life.

Mim

"Butterfly" wrote in message
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I have a cousin that is in a coma---has MS and had a series of strokes. She
is being kept alive via a feeding tube. Don't know ANY details other than
the family is very upset about that.

Butterfly (she's younger than I by a few months)

"Donna in Idaho" wrote in message
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Sandy, I agree with you 100%.
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"Sandy Foster" wrote in message
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I've frequently thought -- and said -- that humans are much kinder to
our QIs than we are to ourselves. We know when the animal members of our
family are suffering too much and need relief and release, yet we're not
allowed to do the same for ourselves. I know there are issues of how to
know that someone made a truly informed choice, rather than being forced
into something they didn't want or doing something permanent as a result
of mental illness or other less obvious reasons, but I think we should
be allowed to do what we feel is necessary for ourselves without our
loved ones having to suffer or leave us to do it alone. JMHO.



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my ISP is earthlink.net -- put sfoster1(at) in front
http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1

AKA Dame Sandy, Minister of Education

I use the Creator as used in the Native American Church - it's a universal
term. So sorry to hear of your pain and can certainly understand your level
of anger at being found at this place in your life. Interpretation of words
is so personal and individual and predicated on the emotional state of the
person at that point in time. Just remember you are in charge of you and
your feelings and no one can make you feel anything you don't want to feel.
Hugs!

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"Tina" wrote in message
oups.com...
I personally, live my life by this philosophy. But can you imagine for
one second, the person who does not believe in God, or A God, or a
Creator? Why would this "cliche" mean a hill of beans to them? For
someone suffering extreme pain or mental anguish, to be told "The
Creator never gives us more than we can handle." Would seem to say,
"Oh just suck up, you're never given more than you can handle, you're
just being a wimp at the moment." Not true. You wouldn't mean it that
way. I might not take it that way. But I can sure empathize with the
feeling of being told such. Well, if the Creator (whoever that is)
doesn't give me anything more than I can handle, then I must be a wimp
or something, because I sure don't think I can handle this unbearable
pain, or suffering, or loss, or....... insert your
trauma/disaster/trouble here........

and it just may be, if He/She/The Creator DID put something in our life
that was more than we were capable of handling, then perhaps it was
His/Her/The Creators choice to give us a situation so unbearable that
we would choose to take our own life, and He/She/The Creator would
allow that to happen. If He/She/The Creator thought it was something
we SHOULD have been able to handle, then perhaps He/She/The Creator
would not have allowed the 'suicide' to be successful.

Now there's a thought to chew on............

Hugs,
Tina

They have cut back on her Lithium but if they cut it back too far she gets
symptomatic and we sure don't want that. She's just going to have to live
with it and she's okay with that - today. I don't want her to think she
can't take her meds - for her families sake.

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"NightMist" wrote in message
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Hey Snigs!

The hand tremors are called tardive dyskinesia.
There are more than a few mental health drugs that can cause it.
Often switching drugs can stop it while still taking care of the
symptoms you are taking it for. If you do not switch off on the drugs
the tremors may become permanent.
I got it at one point when I saw a substitute doctor at the clinic and
he went bonkers on me over some stuff I considered very minor, and
overloaded me on meds.
I did the medication merry-go-round for a while. Then I realized that
my psychiatrist really didn't care if the drugs completely
incapacitated me so long as they allieviated the symptoms, and that
there was no failsafe in case the _drugs_ made me completely bonkers,
as did happen with one medication.
Fortunately, my diagnosis is one of the ones that are not only fairly
easy to live with (so long as you avoid the wrong stress), but it can
also make you very productive.

NightMist

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:19:56 -0600, "SNIGDIBBLY"
wrote:

I don't have an answer for that. I have known some people who said their
lives were just too painful to endure. I strongly believe in
self-determination but suicide can be a selfish act that leaves those who
loved that person with such raw, agonizing pain and so many unanswered
questions. It can also be a manipulation that goes wrong. A lot of the
suicide notes I have seen during my professional life were massive guilt
trips. My DD has recently been diagnosed with Manic-Depressive/Bi-polar
Disease and has often said how painful her life can be when she is in her
low times. She feels compelled to end her emotional pain during these
times
but during the good times is glad that she didn't act on those dark
thoughts. The Lithium has evened it out some but has horrible side
effects.
Her hand trembles so much that she can no longer hand quilt or cross
stitch
and that breaks her heart. They are still working with the dosage but her
neurologist says she may have to live with this particular side effect in
order to even out the mood swings. I worry that I will get a call
someday.
I just try to put her in her Creators hands and pray for her to find some
kind of peace. I never end a conversation with her without telling her I
love her. It isn't much but it will comfort me if the worst ever happens.
Selfish of me, now. I have worked very hard on accepting the fact that I
can't control other people - not even my children, LOL!!

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"DrQuilter" wrote in message
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how come some people kill themselves though?

SNIGDIBBLY wrote:

Hang in there - it's hard but they say the Creator never gives us more
than we can handle. Sometimes I wonder tho.


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it, requires brains." -Mary Pettibone Poole

oh Snigs, I hope you didn't think I was angry? It was a hypothetical
question that I have often asked myself, that's all. Sometimes I
wonder how others handle pain and grief if they don't have some sort of
"belief" system. And that makes me wonder, is it weak of others to
HAVE a belief system to lean on?

Tina, just being hypothetical