The naming of quilts

With apologies to Eliot's "Old Possum"

"The naming of quilts is a difficult matter,
It isn't just one of your holiday games"

I have finally (all bar the binding, and I want the label to be
incorporated) finished the blue and white quilt I started way back
when Noah was a lad. (Ecstatic Dancing etc.)

The pattern is called 'Oh My Stars!' and came from a book called
"Quick Method Favourite Quilts" published by Leisure Arts, Arkansas.
I have followed the pattern, more or less, with a few tweaks here and
there, completely different fabrics, and some changes to the quilting
pattern.

There is no one designer acknowledged.

Do I have to call my quilt 'Oh my Stars!' ? What is the protocol?
Obviously if I entered a competition with it (some chance!) I would
acknowledge, with thanks, the origin of the pattern, because it isn't
my design, but I hate the name.

Am I honour-bound to maintain the original name? I am aware TANQP,
but this has been bugging me to the point where I've put it away
unfinished to avoid the problem.

If I did (for the sake of argument) decide to exhibit it, besides
acknowledging the pattern, would that change anything? What do other
people do?

All suggestions gratefully received. I've never had this dilemma
before, because either the design has been my own, or the quilt is
unfinished, or unlabeled, or perm any of the above.

Nel
(Gadget Queen)

In my not so humble (and probably ill-informed!) opinion, no, you don't have
to keep the name. While there may be copyright laws associated with the
design, I don't think they apply to the name of the quilt, so if you want to
call it "Noah Had The Blues When He Was A Lad," I think you can do that.
OTOH, we have a lot of people on this group who are more educated than I am
in copyright law, so I could be just engaging in wishful thinking and
they'll straighten me out!

As for the ecstatic dancing, I wanted to do that for you -- really I did!
But the last time I tried, I had to use a heat pack on my back for three
days. I think I'll just do the stroll if it's all the same to you.
--
Louise in Iowa
nieland1390@mchsi dot com
http://community.webshots.com/user/louiseiniowa

"Sartorresartus" wrote in message
...
With apologies to Eliot's "Old Possum"

"The naming of quilts is a difficult matter,
It isn't just one of your holiday games"

I have finally (all bar the binding, and I want the label to be
incorporated) finished the blue and white quilt I started way back
when Noah was a lad. (Ecstatic Dancing etc.)

The pattern is called 'Oh My Stars!' and came from a book called
"Quick Method Favourite Quilts" published by Leisure Arts, Arkansas.
I have followed the pattern, more or less, with a few tweaks here and
there, completely different fabrics, and some changes to the quilting
pattern.

There is no one designer acknowledged.

Do I have to call my quilt 'Oh my Stars!' ? What is the protocol?
Obviously if I entered a competition with it (some chance!) I would
acknowledge, with thanks, the origin of the pattern, because it isn't
my design, but I hate the name.

Am I honour-bound to maintain the original name? I am aware TANQP,
but this has been bugging me to the point where I've put it away
unfinished to avoid the problem.

If I did (for the sake of argument) decide to exhibit it, besides
acknowledging the pattern, would that change anything? What do other
people do?

All suggestions gratefully received. I've never had this dilemma
before, because either the design has been my own, or the quilt is
unfinished, or unlabeled, or perm any of the above.

Nel
(Gadget Queen)

I tend to name my quilts something that identifies the recipient --
Grandpa's Geese, Sally's Sailboat, etc. Grandpa's Geese would perhaps
be a variation of the Flying Geese pattern, and Sally's Sailboat would
be a Storm at Sea with a sailboat on one of the blocks. So, I don't
re-name the pattern, but I name the specific quilt. On the other
hand, when I occasionally design my own pattern I name the pattern
itself, and anybody who wants a copy of it gets one with my copyright
notice on the pattern pages.

I don't really name a quilt unless I am putting it into a show. Those
are usually my own design; but, if one were from a pattern, I would feel
in no way bound to use the pattern name - acknowledgement to the creator
of the pattern, certainly, but not the name.
Even the quilts in my book just had the name of the mathematical
principle behind them! No real name.

I don't think I've taken a whole quilt from a book as it is, so I've
never even thought of calling it what the author did?

You could, of course, call it 'Ecstatic Dancing' g.
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Sartorresartus writes
With apologies to Eliot's "Old Possum"

"The naming of quilts is a difficult matter,
It isn't just one of your holiday games"

I have finally (all bar the binding, and I want the label to be
incorporated) finished the blue and white quilt I started way back
when Noah was a lad. (Ecstatic Dancing etc.)

The pattern is called 'Oh My Stars!' and came from a book called
"Quick Method Favourite Quilts" published by Leisure Arts, Arkansas.
I have followed the pattern, more or less, with a few tweaks here and
there, completely different fabrics, and some changes to the quilting
pattern.

There is no one designer acknowledged.

Do I have to call my quilt 'Oh my Stars!' ? What is the protocol?
Obviously if I entered a competition with it (some chance!) I would
acknowledge, with thanks, the origin of the pattern, because it isn't
my design, but I hate the name.

Am I honour-bound to maintain the original name? I am aware TANQP,
but this has been bugging me to the point where I've put it away
unfinished to avoid the problem.

If I did (for the sake of argument) decide to exhibit it, besides
acknowledging the pattern, would that change anything? What do other
people do?

All suggestions gratefully received. I've never had this dilemma
before, because either the design has been my own, or the quilt is
unfinished, or unlabeled, or perm any of the above.

Nel
(Gadget Queen)

--
Best Regards
pat on the hill

I'm in the boat with the others -- I think you may name your quilt whatever
you wish. But were you to exhibit -- you would need to acknowledge the
designer.

What I've done when I've shown quilts -- is include the
pattern/book/designer name for 2 reasons:
1) to give credit where credit is due
2) but when I see a quilt that gives me that "I HAVE to make this quilt!!!
feeling... it's nice to know the details behind the design... or where to
find the pattern.

Almost all shows provide information about the quilts and/or maker -- and to
me this is a good place to include that information.

--
Kate in MI
http://community.webshots.com/user/K_Groves



"Sartorresartus" wrote in message
...
With apologies to Eliot's "Old Possum"

"The naming of quilts is a difficult matter,
It isn't just one of your holiday games"

I have finally (all bar the binding, and I want the label to be
incorporated) finished the blue and white quilt I started way back
when Noah was a lad. (Ecstatic Dancing etc.)

The pattern is called 'Oh My Stars!' and came from a book called
"Quick Method Favourite Quilts" published by Leisure Arts, Arkansas.
I have followed the pattern, more or less, with a few tweaks here and
there, completely different fabrics, and some changes to the quilting
pattern.

There is no one designer acknowledged.

Do I have to call my quilt 'Oh my Stars!' ? What is the protocol?
Obviously if I entered a competition with it (some chance!) I would
acknowledge, with thanks, the origin of the pattern, because it isn't
my design, but I hate the name.

Am I honour-bound to maintain the original name? I am aware TANQP,
but this has been bugging me to the point where I've put it away
unfinished to avoid the problem.

If I did (for the sake of argument) decide to exhibit it, besides
acknowledging the pattern, would that change anything? What do other
people do?

All suggestions gratefully received. I've never had this dilemma
before, because either the design has been my own, or the quilt is
unfinished, or unlabeled, or perm any of the above.

Nel
(Gadget Queen)

I've seen 3 quilts that were named 'What Was I Thinking?" The first
included about a million triangles, the 2nd - the same number of yo-yos. I
guess the 3rd wasn't that memorable but each time, we agreed with the
quilter. My quilt named 'Madness' named itself. Polly

"Kate in MI" wrote in message
...
I'm in the boat with the others -- I think you may name your quilt
whatever you wish. But were you to exhibit -- you would need to
acknowledge the designer.

What I've done when I've shown quilts -- is include the
pattern/book/designer name for 2 reasons:
1) to give credit where credit is due
2) but when I see a quilt that gives me that "I HAVE to make this quilt!!!
feeling... it's nice to know the details behind the design... or where to
find the pattern.

Almost all shows provide information about the quilts and/or maker -- and
to me this is a good place to include that information.

--
Kate in MI
http://community.webshots.com/user/K_Groves



"Sartorresartus" wrote in message
...
With apologies to Eliot's "Old Possum"

"The naming of quilts is a difficult matter,
It isn't just one of your holiday games"

I have finally (all bar the binding, and I want the label to be
incorporated) finished the blue and white quilt I started way back
when Noah was a lad. (Ecstatic Dancing etc.)

The pattern is called 'Oh My Stars!' and came from a book called
"Quick Method Favourite Quilts" published by Leisure Arts, Arkansas.
I have followed the pattern, more or less, with a few tweaks here and
there, completely different fabrics, and some changes to the quilting
pattern.

There is no one designer acknowledged.

Do I have to call my quilt 'Oh my Stars!' ? What is the protocol?
Obviously if I entered a competition with it (some chance!) I would
acknowledge, with thanks, the origin of the pattern, because it isn't
my design, but I hate the name.

Am I honour-bound to maintain the original name? I am aware TANQP,
but this has been bugging me to the point where I've put it away
unfinished to avoid the problem.

If I did (for the sake of argument) decide to exhibit it, besides
acknowledging the pattern, would that change anything? What do other
people do?

All suggestions gratefully received. I've never had this dilemma
before, because either the design has been my own, or the quilt is
unfinished, or unlabeled, or perm any of the above.

Nel
(Gadget Queen)

I would say No you don't have to keep the name. It's your quilt made
with your hands. Like you said if you entered it in a show I would
acknowledge the designer but that's it. Then again I'm new to labelling
I just started labeling my quilts.
Take Care
Joanna

Sartorresartus wrote:
With apologies to Eliot's "Old Possum"

"The naming of quilts is a difficult matter,
It isn't just one of your holiday games"

I have finally (all bar the binding, and I want the label to be
incorporated) finished the blue and white quilt I started way back
when Noah was a lad. (Ecstatic Dancing etc.)

The pattern is called 'Oh My Stars!' and came from a book called
"Quick Method Favourite Quilts" published by Leisure Arts, Arkansas.
I have followed the pattern, more or less, with a few tweaks here and
there, completely different fabrics, and some changes to the quilting
pattern.

There is no one designer acknowledged.

Do I have to call my quilt 'Oh my Stars!' ? What is the protocol?
Obviously if I entered a competition with it (some chance!) I would
acknowledge, with thanks, the origin of the pattern, because it isn't
my design, but I hate the name.

Am I honour-bound to maintain the original name? I am aware TANQP,
but this has been bugging me to the point where I've put it away
unfinished to avoid the problem.

If I did (for the sake of argument) decide to exhibit it, besides
acknowledging the pattern, would that change anything? What do other
people do?

All suggestions gratefully received. I've never had this dilemma
before, because either the design has been my own, or the quilt is
unfinished, or unlabeled, or perm any of the above.

Nel
(Gadget Queen)

On Aug 9, 5:39*am, Sartorresartus wrote:
With apologies to Eliot's "Old Possum"

"The naming of quilts is a difficult matter,
It isn't just one of your holiday games"

I have finally (all bar the binding, and I want the label to be
incorporated) finished the blue and white quilt I started way back
when Noah was a lad. *(Ecstatic Dancing etc.)

The pattern is called 'Oh My Stars!' and came from a book called
"Quick Method Favourite Quilts" published by Leisure Arts, Arkansas.
I have followed the pattern, more or less, with a few tweaks here and
there, completely different fabrics, and some changes to the quilting
pattern.

There is no one designer acknowledged.

Do I have to call my quilt 'Oh my Stars!' ? *What is the protocol?
Obviously if I entered a competition with it (some chance!) I would
acknowledge, with thanks, the origin of the pattern, because it isn't
my design, but I hate the name.

My opinion, and it is worth what you pay for it VBG
I name my quilts as they ask/demand to be named. On the label I will
include a "based on......" or "inspired by......"
but by the time I have finished it may not really resemble the
original pattern. G
I think it is very important to acknowledge the original designer/
publisher but sometimes the name doesn't fit.

For what it is worth, there has been some discussion about this on the
quilt designers' list. No clear cut answer, except that mentioning the
original source, by the name the designer gives it, does make it
easier for someone to find the pattern/book if they want to make one
too. (That is one convoluted sentence.........sorry.)

Don't avoid finishing the quilt. Put what you think is important on
the label. I tend to do fairly comprehensive labels just to cover all
the bases. And the label helps document the quilt, since I haven't put
the info into a journal or whatever.

Pati, in Phx

Am I honour-bound to maintain the original name? *I am aware TANQP,
but this has been bugging me to the point where I've put it away
unfinished to avoid the problem.

If I did (for the sake of argument) decide to exhibit it, besides
acknowledging the pattern, would that change anything? *What do other
people do?

All suggestions gratefully received. *I've never had this dilemma
before, because either the design has been my own, or the quilt is
unfinished, or unlabeled, or perm any of the above.

Nel
(Gadget Queen)

Hi Nel,

IANAL. As far as copyrights go, you cannot copyright a title, hence we
have songs, books, movies, articles, etc. with identical titles. That
said, if you reproduced the pattern *exactly* I think it would be
prudent to acknowledge the original title, etc. However, you've made
alterations. In some cases, copyright may apply; in others, it may
not. It comes down to what the copyright actually applies to, how
significant the changes are, and what mood the judge is in... :-)

I think if you acknowledged all original information, you can call it
anything you want, followed by "variant/variation of" or "inspired by"
or "with acknowledgement to" or something like that...

If your changes are significant enough that it can be considered a
different quilt, then IMHO anything goes. Copyrights are worded "in
whole or in part" but what is "in part"? All written works use the
same words; all music uses the same notes; all paintings use the same
colors - it's how they're combined, and in the case of a quilt, what
is it that's being copyrighted? For sure the images, instructions,
and anything else original, but if it's comprised of blocks that have
been around forever, then it doesn't apply to the blocks.

Sorry if this is vague; intellectual property law can be. Even
lawyers' opinions can be wrong or discounted by a judge, and not all
judges agree on all issues. (Ain't law fun? :-) I hope it's been of
*some* help*.

Doc

On Aug 9, 8:39*am, Sartorresartus wrote:
With apologies to Eliot's "Old Possum"

"The naming of quilts is a difficult matter,
It isn't just one of your holiday games"

I have finally (all bar the binding, and I want the label to be
incorporated) finished the blue and white quilt I started way back
when Noah was a lad. *(Ecstatic Dancing etc.)

The pattern is called 'Oh My Stars!' and came from a book called
"Quick Method Favourite Quilts" published by Leisure Arts, Arkansas.
I have followed the pattern, more or less, with a few tweaks here and
there, completely different fabrics, and some changes to the quilting
pattern.

There is no one designer acknowledged.

Do I have to call my quilt 'Oh my Stars!' ? *What is the protocol?
Obviously if I entered a competition with it (some chance!) I would
acknowledge, with thanks, the origin of the pattern, because it isn't
my design, but I hate the name.

Am I honour-bound to maintain the original name? *I am aware TANQP,
but this has been bugging me to the point where I've put it away
unfinished to avoid the problem.

If I did (for the sake of argument) decide to exhibit it, besides
acknowledging the pattern, would that change anything? *What do other
people do?

All suggestions gratefully received. *I've never had this dilemma
before, because either the design has been my own, or the quilt is
unfinished, or unlabeled, or perm any of the above.

Nel
(Gadget Queen)

You are allowed to change the name to ... anything you like, but only
if you post photos of the quilt as it is now (do NOT wait until you
put the binding on, we need to see quilts NOW) for the rest of us to
oooh and ahhhhh over and enjoy. I think the name slapped on in the
process of making the book was probably done by some editor late in
the day when it was realized the quilt had no name and the author was
still in recovery.

So name that baby and show it to us!

Sunny