Female Torso: Progress Report

And that would be bad, why?
Diana

"vj" wrote in message
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vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Kathy N-V
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] As Manda put it
]at age eight, in the middle of the Louvre, "Sheesh! Haven't any of
]these people ever heard of clothes?"

i love Manda.
we may need to keep her and Jamie apart, tho.
together they might rule the world!


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You know, my mother (an illustrator) and I had a conversation about that
once. I told her that for me things seldom have an end (talking about
finishing a task so you can start the next one). Finally she said, Well,
what about a line? Thinking about math and my own philosophy, I said they
don't end. But look she said, this line only goes from here to here. Oh, I
replied (thinking of a drawing of a body, with just a line to imply the
arm), yes, the ink stops there.

Tina


"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
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And further more, any idiot knows that the arms, legs and head are
*implied*.

I'm not a feminist, neither am I anti-feminist. Since when did it become
compulsory for women to be feminists and if we're not, who decreed that it
makes one anti-feminist? Each to his own.

I'm an art historian of sorts and I know that our work will, in time, be
viewed within the context of our socio/political times. Even decorative
art. I doubt that the PRB gave more thought to their choice of models other
than their beauty, the texture of their hair and their availabilty. Now,
however, these woman's lives have been examined and assesed in relation to
the role of woman of the time and since.

I do hope you weren't offended by my observations, that was not my intent.

An intelligent, well thought out debate about this issue is interesting and
stimulating. A personal attack on you is not acceptable. Unfortunately, it
comes with being an artist (anyone been through art school? Aye carumba, it
can be brutal!).

If we make art, it will be interpreted whether we like it or not. It's kind
of flattering that your work started such a discussion. As long as it
remains a discussion. I'm sorry that you got abusive emails, that's just not
right.


--
Marisa (AU/NZ)
www.galleryvittoria.com
Take your thieving hands off my iPod.


And oh! The fuss that has ensued! I've been called an anti-feminist
and all sorts of things (privately, of course) because my female torso
has no head, arms or legs. Um... That's why I called it a torso.

http://snipurl.com/8bgj

Anyway, last night's effort is out of the kiln and ready for
sandblasting. It's so hard to tell what clear stuff really looks like
until you blast or etch it. Fingers crossed...

Tink

Your innie/outie thoughts are fascinating. One of the things I found
interesting about the letter exploring the differences between men and woman
incorporated similar notions. (However, it lost me when it twisted the
argument around to a justifaction for creationism and the virgin birth.)

When I asked if the alleged 'waiting' characterstic was a negative one, I
remain sincerely in doubt. Perhaps this is the seat of our strength as
woman. I don't see it as passive. I see it as part of that wisdom that you
mention, acquired and ripening as we age.

As a society the west is ageing, the birth rate isn't keeping up. Will our
tribe come to value it's elders as they become the majority? Is feminism
still useful in westen society (I do believe it needs to grow as a movement
in third world nations)? Should we be thinking in terms of humanism in the
next century?

Tink's torso isn't entirely responsible for this train of thought (I
promise, Tink!). I consider my generation (40 somethings) the first to reap
the rewards of feminism. Yet I look at the next generation and realise I
don't understand the issues they face in terms of the male/female
relationship. Maybe this is what is fueling the anger of the feminists. So
much has been achieved and now it's taken for granted. Maybe that's what
they see in Tink's torso. Is it a new kind of generation gap?

--
Marisa (AU/NZ)
www.galleryvittoria.com
Take your thieving hands off my iPod.


Interesting questions.

The two roles that are unique to women are motherhood (of humans) and life
beyond reproductive years when women are prized for wisdom. More prized for
wisdom than men. In most tribal organization, the highest authority is not
the chief, but the council of grandmothers.

In my philosophy and in my experience. Men are outies and women are innies.
Men extend and retreat, but women incorporate. This is true of sex, and
pregnancy. And it's also true of energy work. Pete and I do our best
Reiki/energy work together. I find that I bring the person being worked on
into my heart and hold it there to incubate healing. Pete brings the energy
through his heart and directs this energy into the other person, sometimes
manipulating the energy he finds in the client. His energy can be more
aggressive while I maintain the environment. Our roles are two proto-types.
There are more. But I consistently see an innie and an outie in the roles.

So to me, The Goddess, is a personification of nurturing environment,
including tough love, and including sexual and reproductive roles.

Tina




"Marisa Cappetta" wrote in message
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I'd suggest that if proportions worry you, take some life drawing
classes,
or draw a self portrait using a mirror. You'd be surprised at how it will
help in 3D work.

As an artwork the same questions come to my mind as with most Goddes
beads;
should we only focus is on the reproductive side of womanhood? One of the
reasons I liked your female form bestriding the globe is that it depicted
a
powerful female. One who is taking charge, not passively waiting to
perform
her biological function.

I read the treatise that recently came out of the vatican on the role of
woman with it's notion of waiting as being an admirable female
characteristic. Does the Goddess bead/form perpetuate this notion? And is
it
a negative notion as the feminists might have it?

These are only questions, not convictions and ones that have been on my
mind
of late.

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Marisa (AU/NZ)
www.galleryvittoria.com
Take your thieving hands off my iPod.

Do it. Watch the fur fly.

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Marisa (AU/NZ)
www.galleryvittoria.com
Take your thieving hands off my iPod.


That's it. I want to do just a hand and call it a "female nude".

Post it on WC totally deadpan and see what happens...

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


Amber wrote:
Tinkster wrote in message
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And oh! The fuss that has ensued! I've been called an anti-feminist
and all sorts of things (privately, of course) because my female torso
has no head, arms or legs. Um... That's why I called it a torso.

http://snipurl.com/8bgj

Anyway, last night's effort is out of the kiln and ready for
sandblasting. It's so hard to tell what clear stuff really looks like
until you blast or etch it. Fingers crossed...

Tink


*blinks* eh? anti-feminist because you made a torso? I'm amazed they
didn't also jump on you because you made it out of glass that's
clear/frosted looking. because y'know, that implies that women are
fragile, cold, and transparent!

I wonder if these same people burn those "learn to draw the human
form" art books and boycott museums because of all the drawings and
sculptures of the female body that are nothing but torsos, or busts
with heads but no arms, waists, or legs.

-amber.

I'm not a feminist, neither am I anti-feminist. Since when did it become
compulsory for women to be feminists and if we're not, who decreed that it
makes one anti-feminist? Each to his own.

Here here! I prefer to be a humanist. Each to their own strengths and
abilities, and quit making it a freaking competition! Just do what you love,
what you're good at, and relax. G

KarenK

What I am finding in my generation is a lot of anger at the fact that we
now are considered BOTH primary child caregivers AND equal wage earners.
Women now have a heavier burden than ever, and there seems no way out
from under it.

Sure there is! Refuse to buy into the myths of "supermom" and entitlement.
Make choices that allow you (generic you) to live simpler, decide on
priorities and stick with them. Sometimes that means waiting to have kids,
or not having them at all; choosing a used car over a new SUV; remodeling
instead of moving into a new house...sooo many choices that seem to elude
people of both genders in this endless quest to "have it all." The sad thing
is, how much of "you" is left over if/when you finally attain it?

I've never been interested in a "career." A job to keep the wolves from the
door, sure. But I always felt that my personal calling was more Donna Reed
style...a wife, a mommy, etc. It's what I'm good at, way better than most
career-type stuff. I also felt it was important (speaking ONLY for me) to be
around as my kids were growing up. I attempted to be sure my husband was in
agreement with this. (Unfortunately he decided this meant HE should stay
home, not me. sigh) I'm so thankful I found lampwork when I did, so I
could supplement our income (eventually make it much more than a supplement)
and find ways to be true to what I felt was so very important.

Obviously this isn't the path for everyone. I have friends who would lose
their minds being home with a toddler all day (it sure stretched me thin for
a while....but I missed it terribly when I had to go back to work when my
son was little). I went crazy the other way, surrounded by office gossip and
"business ethics" that made no sense to me. Granted, I'll never live in the
style my parents did, but I have very different priorities, too. Maybe my
definitions of "having it all" are just different.

KarenK

I do want it all, career, motherhood, etc. But who says I have to have it all at the
same time? My job right now is to stay at home and care for the household, our child
(maybe more later thru adoption), and when raising the child(ren) is done, then I can
go back to work. I'm taking college courses now, so that my brain doesn't wither
away to nothingness, but I don't plan on going back to work until and unless it
become essential to do so. I think that learning how to budget and stick to it,
being frugal on a lot of levels, has made me stronger, more so than if we'd had all
the money we'd wanted. Our family is better for it, I think, because we spend time
together, instead of rushing around trying to get things done after work. Each
family has its own dynamic, of course, but for US, this seems to be the way to really
keep to our core values. If we were working all the time, I honestly don't think
we'd be able to keep up with them, but instead, we'd be chasing after the dollar and
what it can buy. I know that this isn't always possible, and that it's an ideal
(I'll even concede that it's MY ideal, and may not be another's), but this works well
for a lot of families that I know. Ok, what was my point? Oh, mainly that we can
have it all, we just don't need to have it all at once.

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Jalynne - Keeper of the Quilt for ME club list
Queen Gypsy (snail mail available upon request)
see what i've been up to at www.100megsfree4.com/jalynne

That could be it... but where, then, does the tray GO? I am mystified.
The fridge presents a unified front against my investigations. I am,
once again, outsmarted by an appliance!

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


Tinkster wrote:
Maybe it's something as simple as a missing tray?

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:43:09 -0700, Kalera Stratton
wrote:


"Coils"?

It's frost-free. My previous fridges had drip trays underneath that
would overflow sometimes in warm weather (because of all the opening and
closing of the freezer door, more frost formed, so when the fridge
melted it off there was more water than normal) but I cannot FIND a tray
in this one.

well, that just sucks.
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Jalynne - Keeper of the Quilt for ME club list
Queen Gypsy (snail mail available upon request)
see what i've been up to at www.100megsfree4.com/jalynne

"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
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Oddly, there is no Portland group.

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay

Jalynne wrote:
you might also want to try www.freecycle.org I just got rid of an OOOLD TV this
way.

you might want to look for a freecycler's board, and see if someone has one
that they are willing to give you? Sometimes you can post "need this" and
if someone has it, they will donate it.

http://freecycle.org/

and then pay it forward as need be. Even in this tiny town, I have seen
quite a bit offered (and requested) on the local list in the oh, 2 months
that I have been on it.

Hope it helps someone...

mary


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"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
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OK, if yours has lasted that long I guess I can live with a towel in
front of my fridge for a few years, until we can afford to replace it.
Maybe we can find a good one cheap on Craigslist... I know someone who
got a practically brand-new black Kitchenaid fridge for FREE!

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


Jalynne wrote:
(snippity)


BTW, anyone know why our fridge might be leaking, and if it means we
have to replace it? Also, it occasionally sounds like there are
squirrels fighting inside... what is THAT?

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


I have no idea, but ours does this, too, and has since we moved in 4.5
years ago, so
I'll be watching for answers. Even though this is the landlord's
fridge, we're
tempted to replace it with one of our own, and relegate his to the
garage.