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Ephemeral materials challenge
It's a long story, but I want to create a choker like this: http://c-76-19-175-241.hsd1.ma.comca.../CandyCorn.jpg using real candy corn. My original thought was to make wire studs or loops that would be heated up and melt their way into the bases of the candies. That's not working well, very unreliable because of splitting the candy and because the heat needed is higher than the leather choker is likely to take nicely. (hmm... that's because I'm assuming I'll assemble the leather/metal before the metal/candy... hmmm...) Heating the bases of the candies isn't working as I hoped, The confectioner's glaze seems to be keeping it from sticking. (well duh, scrape it off... next thing to try) It may be that heating the candy and pressing it into/against something it will 'key' into might work, but it'll be very delicate... Anyway, there are some clever folks on this list, and while this isn't jewelry in the metal-and-stones vein, I hope some of you will enjoy the mental challenge of figuring a way of holding a friable candy in place for at least a little while. - Carl W |
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Ephemeral materials challenge
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:02:05 -0800, in rec.crafts.jewelry Carl
wrote: It's a long story, but I want to create a choker like this: http://c-76-19-175-241.hsd1.ma.comca.../CandyCorn.jpg using real candy corn. My original thought was to make wire studs or loops that would be heated up and melt their way into the bases of the candies. That's not working well, very unreliable because of splitting the candy and because the heat needed is higher than the leather choker is likely to take nicely. (hmm... that's because I'm assuming I'll assemble the leather/metal before the metal/candy... hmmm...) Heating the bases of the candies isn't working as I hoped, The confectioner's glaze seems to be keeping it from sticking. (well duh, scrape it off... next thing to try) It may be that heating the candy and pressing it into/against something it will 'key' into might work, but it'll be very delicate... Anyway, there are some clever folks on this list, and while this isn't jewelry in the metal-and-stones vein, I hope some of you will enjoy the mental challenge of figuring a way of holding a friable candy in place for at least a little while. - Carl W If perhaps you don't need the candy corn to REMAIN edible, you could make it pretty durable by coating it. Dip them in casting resin, the kind used for fiberglass, or something like clear/colorless ceramit. Allow to cure. The resulting coating might be left pretty thin, but would still be quite strong enough, I suspect, to allow you to just glue the things in place with good security, perhaps just using any good epoxy glue. Or, use a small drill, held in the hand, to drill a hole into the corn that would just slightly snugly fit some sort of metal pin or wire you insert. Dip the corn in a decent resin, or slow setting epoxy, insert the wire, perhaps dip again if needed to be sure the two are now bonded by the resin coating and resin in the hole. When cured you've have your corn on a wire you could then use to affix it to the rest of the piece... And there are addititives you can use with the resins, I think, that would give them a matte finish, rather than glossy. With a bit of experimentation, you might get it to pretty much mask the fact that the corn was coated. Without coatings: Make small bezel cups that the corn would loosely fit into, just a little. use something like melted chocolate or caramel or marshmallow, to glue the corns into the bezel cups. now it remains edible... or, simply insert the corns onto spikes/wires as you suggest, but don't heat the wires to jam them into the corn. Carefully drill the corns so they just slip neatly on the wires. Use some other sticky sugar source, perhaps honey? to glue them on. Not sure how easy to break off this would be, but avoiding jamming them onto something is important, to avoid just fracturing them when you assemble them. For totally edible product, instead of leather for the choker, use a fruit leather. Maybe licorice ties...? Dang. I shoulda known better than to answer this post. Just writing this is raising my blood sugar... Peter |
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Ephemeral materials challenge
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:02:20 +0000, Carl wrote:
It's a long story, but I want to create a choker like this: http://c-76-19-175-241.hsd1.ma.comca.../CandyCorn.jpg using real candy corn. Fact: When Hillary first climbed Everest, he found candy corn left by Yetis. I don't know how to put your project together, but I can guarantee you that candy corn has a half-life of 27,000,000 years. Fun picture. |
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Ephemeral materials challenge
Peter W.. Rowe, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:02:05 -0800, in rec.crafts.jewelry Carl wrote: It's a long story, but I want to create a choker like this: http://c-76-19-175-241.hsd1.ma.comca.../CandyCorn.jpg using real candy corn. My original thought was to make wire studs or loops that would be heated up and melt their way into the bases of the candies. That's not working well, very unreliable because of splitting the candy and because the heat needed is higher than the leather choker is likely to take nicely. (hmm... that's because I'm assuming I'll assemble the leather/metal before the metal/candy... hmmm...) Heating the bases of the candies isn't working as I hoped, The confectioner's glaze seems to be keeping it from sticking. (well duh, scrape it off... next thing to try) It may be that heating the candy and pressing it into/against something it will 'key' into might work, but it'll be very delicate... Anyway, there are some clever folks on this list, and while this isn't jewelry in the metal-and-stones vein, I hope some of you will enjoy the mental challenge of figuring a way of holding a friable candy in place for at least a little while. - Carl W If perhaps you don't need the candy corn to REMAIN edible, you could make it pretty durable by coating it. Dip them in casting resin, the kind used for fiberglass, or something like clear/colorless ceramit. Allow to cure. The resulting coating might be left pretty thin, but would still be quite strong enough, I suspect, to allow you to just glue the things in place with good security, perhaps just using any good epoxy glue. Or, use a small drill, held in the hand, to drill a hole into the corn that would just slightly snugly fit some sort of metal pin or wire you insert. Dip the corn in a decent resin, or slow setting epoxy, insert the wire, perhaps dip again if needed to be sure the two are now bonded by the resin coating and resin in the hole. When cured you've have your corn on a wire you could then use to affix it to the rest of the piece... And there are addititives you can use with the resins, I think, that would give them a matte finish, rather than glossy. With a bit of experimentation, you might get it to pretty much mask the fact that the corn was coated. Without coatings: Make small bezel cups that the corn would loosely fit into, just a little. use something like melted chocolate or caramel or marshmallow, to glue the corns into the bezel cups. now it remains edible... or, simply insert the corns onto spikes/wires as you suggest, but don't heat the wires to jam them into the corn. Carefully drill the corns so they just slip neatly on the wires. Use some other sticky sugar source, perhaps honey? to glue them on. Not sure how easy to break off this would be, but avoiding jamming them onto something is important, to avoid just fracturing them when you assemble them. For totally edible product, instead of leather for the choker, use a fruit leather. Maybe licorice ties...? Dang. I shoulda known better than to answer this post. Just writing this is raising my blood sugar... Peter Hmmmm... edible jewellery? well it takes all sorts, Id be very careful with metal wire assembly ideas. If someone swallowed the candy plus wire youd have a rather big law suit on your hands. Not the best way to go. So what would I do? Id drill through from the side of the candy then drill another hole 90 degrees to the 1st hole then thread through these holes like sewing on a button. but tighter so it stays where you want it to. then when it gets eaten the threads stay on and through the leather. If you cant hide a fixing method then make it part of the design. |
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Ephemeral materials challenge
Hmm...
Looking at the picture, it seems like you could make the choker part in metal, then heat it up and apply the Kandy Korn Kernals - get the heat right and they should glue themselves on with a sizzle. If there was a nail or something sticking out, it would provide more grip. Of course a real jeweler would make the Kernals in gold, enamel them, and thread the backs for screws... Andrew Werby www.computersculpture.com "Carl" wrote in message ... It's a long story, but I want to create a choker like this: http://c-76-19-175-241.hsd1.ma.comca.../CandyCorn.jpg using real candy corn. My original thought was to make wire studs or loops that would be heated up and melt their way into the bases of the candies. That's not working well, very unreliable because of splitting the candy and because the heat needed is higher than the leather choker is likely to take nicely. (hmm... that's because I'm assuming I'll assemble the leather/metal before the metal/candy... hmmm...) Heating the bases of the candies isn't working as I hoped, The confectioner's glaze seems to be keeping it from sticking. (well duh, scrape it off... next thing to try) It may be that heating the candy and pressing it into/against something it will 'key' into might work, but it'll be very delicate... Anyway, there are some clever folks on this list, and while this isn't jewelry in the metal-and-stones vein, I hope some of you will enjoy the mental challenge of figuring a way of holding a friable candy in place for at least a little while. - Carl W |
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Ephemeral materials challenge
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:02:20 GMT, Carl wrote:
It's a long story, but I want to create a choker like this: http://c-76-19-175-241.hsd1.ma.comca.../CandyCorn.jpg using real candy corn. My original thought was to make wire studs or loops that would be heated up and melt their way into the bases of the candies. That's not working well, very unreliable because of splitting the candy and because the heat needed is higher than the leather choker is likely to take nicely. (hmm... that's because I'm assuming I'll assemble the leather/metal before the metal/candy... hmmm...) Heating the bases of the candies isn't working as I hoped, The confectioner's glaze seems to be keeping it from sticking. (well duh, scrape it off... next thing to try) It may be that heating the candy and pressing it into/against something it will 'key' into might work, but it'll be very delicate... Anyway, there are some clever folks on this list, and while this isn't jewelry in the metal-and-stones vein, I hope some of you will enjoy the mental challenge of figuring a way of holding a friable candy in place for at least a little while. Glue. It'll last longer than the candy. -- Marilee J. Layman http://mjlayman.livejournal.com/ |
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Ephemeral materials challenge
When mbstevens put fingers to keys it was 1/31/07 11:13 AM...
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:02:20 +0000, Carl wrote: It's a long story, but I want to create a choker like this: http://c-76-19-175-241.hsd1.ma.comca.../CandyCorn.jpg using real candy corn. Fact: When Hillary first climbed Everest, he found candy corn left by Yetis. I don't know how to put your project together, but I can guarantee you that candy corn has a half-life of 27,000,000 years. And of course there's the fossil evidence that candy corn hasn't changed since the pre-cambrian period. Fun picture. Thanks. Photoshop _is_ my bitch. - CarlW |
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Ephemeral materials challenge
When I put fingers to keys it was 1/31/07 2:02 AM...
It's a long story, but I want to create a choker like this: http://c-76-19-175-241.hsd1.ma.comca.../CandyCorn.jpg using real candy corn. ... It's looking like the way to go is to slowly drill the candies then quickly (and gently) stuff them onto flattened wire studs and let them cool in place. The drilling (and holding the drill in place for a moment) heats the candy and softens it enough to form around the stud. Gonna try twisting the flattened studs. - Carl W |
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Ephemeral materials challenge
Carl wrote:
When I put fingers to keys it was 1/31/07 2:02 AM... It's a long story, but I want to create a choker like this: http://c-76-19-175-241.hsd1.ma.comca.../CandyCorn.jpg using real candy corn. ... It's looking like the way to go is to slowly drill the candies then quickly (and gently) stuff them onto flattened wire studs and let them cool in place. The drilling (and holding the drill in place for a moment) heats the candy and softens it enough to form around the stud. Gonna try twisting the flattened studs. - Carl W Should this fail, it may be within reason to train yourself in polymer clay techniques well enough to use it to duplicate candy corn. Should be much more durable at least. Carl -- to reply, change ( .not) to ( .net) |
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Ephemeral materials challenge: An answer
When Carl put fingers to keys it was 2/3/07 3:32 PM...
When I put fingers to keys it was 1/31/07 2:02 AM... It's a long story, but I want to create a choker like this: http://c-76-19-175-241.hsd1.ma.comca.../CandyCorn.jpg using real candy corn. ... It's looking like the way to go is to slowly drill the candies then quickly (and gently) stuff them onto flattened wire studs and let them cool in place. The drilling (and holding the drill in place for a moment) heats the candy and softens it enough to form around the stud. Gonna try twisting the flattened studs. Yup, that worked: http://c-76-19-175-241.hsd1.ma.comca...dyCornReal.jpg _Not_ photoshopped except for cropping. The 'studs' are ~20ga stainless. I started with pieces a hair over 1" long and bent about 3/8" from each end at 90?, each segment perpendicular to the other two. Depending on your display font, this might be a picture of it: |/\ I flattened one end to about 3:1 and twisted it, then wire-wheeled the tip to take off any sharpness. The choker was a strip of thin leather 1-1/2" wide with holes every 3/4". I coated the inside with contact cement and let it dry. I placed the twisted ends through the holes, arranging the remaining 'L' shapes along the centerline then folded the leather in to the centerline and hammered it 'shut'. Slow drilling the candies with a 1/16" bit held in a drill press did the job nicely. Enough of the candy corn was softened by the heat that they pressed on very nicely. When they cooled they stayed on for several days and several hundred miles of transport with no problem whatever. - CW |
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