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Mobile phones was - a new development in Scotland
I don't see how somebody using a laptop should annoy anybody.... I work
in the bus with my laptop a couple of days a week and I seriously doubt I am bothering anybody. I once had the misfortune to share a library reading room with somebody who was using some kind of crummy Windows machine that went bleep every time she hit a key. I was trying to read musical scores. Can you imagine how hard it is to hear music in your head with that in the background? (She didn't know how to turn it off, either). ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 |
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Mobile phones was - a new development in Scotland
I don't see how somebody using a laptop should annoy anybody.... I work
in the bus with my laptop a couple of days a week and I seriously doubt I am bothering anybody. I once had the misfortune to share a library reading room with somebody who was using some kind of crummy Windows machine that went bleep every time she hit a key. I was trying to read musical scores. Can you imagine how hard it is to hear music in your head with that in the background? (She didn't know how to turn it off, either). ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 |
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OT Children in Restaurants [was Environmental...]
Amen. I hate going in a restaurant or store and having inconsiderate
parents with their bratty children running around. Keep them at home until you can control them, and then DO control them in public. Children are like puppies, they have to be trained. Part of that training is correction. L "KI Graham" wrote in message news:U1gXf.208300$H%4.168448@pd7tw2no... I agree with all that's been said, but following a conversation I had with a student recently, have got to add: START teaching a child how to behave at home before you even think about taking him/her out to a restaurant. I was talking about staging the church's Passover dinner with my class, and said "I expect the kids should be able to take part and behave reasonably well if they're sitting with their families. One mom commented: "My son likes to get up and wander around during a meal, so he's not going to sit through Passover." I replied "Does he do that at home?" "yes, he does." [The child in question is 6 years old and in school.] Yikes! How can anyone expect their kids to behave reasonably in public if they aren't taught basic courtesy at home? My husband was voted "least likely to discipline" when my kids were little, but he NEVER would have let them wander in and out at will during dinner. As I recall, at our house, if you left the table, you asked to be excused first [my youngest is 21, so I'm definitely hitting the "cranky old person" level]. If you chose to wander off for any reason other than to go to the loo, your dinner was gone when you returned, and there certainly was no dessert or snack later. That's basic courtesy: we excuse ourselves when we leave the table too. -- Kim Graham http://members.shaw.ca/kigraham Nanaimo, BC, Canada THE WORD IN PATCHWORK "Jan" wrote in message . 125.201... Man.... Kid with metal spoon and tray would make me want to do mean things too vbg And you don't have to pop them, but you do have to have an effective incentive. vbg And they know how long they can push you .... mine comes with a very short time vbg So if you have a short and nice threatening time with an effective incentive... you're in. In our case it's usually you will loose a toy or privilege and we will get up and leave immeadiately. And of course if she wants to leave.. I'm sunk .. and that happened only once before I caught on. I've also been known to loudly say, that child is an example of how you should never ever behave loudly enough that the parent will hear it and take action..... but, I'm very tired of all kids becoming targets of older people in restaurants just because they are young. It is reaching epidemic porportions and it's wrong. You have to be able to take your child out to teach said child right from wrong. And if the adults are behaving badly, I'll use them as bad examples too.... because rudeness never teaches good behavior... it just shows that the rude adult has no manners either. -- Jan RCTQ Coffee Diva Taria wrote in news:ShfXf.19$e11.1@trnddc02: I can take a lot but when the mom hands a spoon to a kid that is sitting at a metal tray type high chair I want to do mean things. : ) We took our kids a lot of places and they were usually very good. I had my niece and nephew out to a take out place once and he decided he was going to throw a fuss. I told him I was hungry and I was eating. (I was, actually always am) If he wanted to throw a fit he could go do it in the car alone. He shut up and started eating. Boy was I glad cause I had no back up plan! I told one woman in the post office once "clearly the only ones listening to you is the rest of us, not your kid. My mother would say that kid needs popped" The kid seemed to know the mom had no intention of making him behave. I'm probably lucky I didn't get shot but everyone in the place was glad to shut the mom up as much as the kid! Odd, I don't remember being beat or even really 'popped' I guess mom was good at threatening! Taria Jan wrote: And if you never take her out, how will she learn?? I'm sooooo very sorry that happened Dr. Quilter!!! We take Jess everywhere with us. How would she learn to behave in public if we didn't????? And I'm thinking as honery as Sandy is, her kids probably had their loud moments too..... hmmmm... vbg |
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Environment choices O.T. a new development in Scotland
on another note... it does wonders when a well placed stranger commends your
children on being good out in public! Especially when the praise goes straight to the kiddos and not thru the parents. Been on the receiving end and the giving end and watched the effects on my kiddos. (and seen how it affected another child who was not being nice at a nearby restaurant table when mine were singled out for praise) -- Kellie kjbeanne at yahoo dot com www.kjbeanne.com/kellie.htm "Jan" wrote in message . 125.201... Man.... Kid with metal spoon and tray would make me want to do mean things too vbg And you don't have to pop them, but you do have to have an effective incentive. vbg And they know how long they can push you .... mine comes with a very short time vbg So if you have a short and nice threatening time with an effective incentive... you're in. In our case it's usually you will loose a toy or privilege and we will get up and leave immeadiately. And of course if she wants to leave.. I'm sunk .. and that happened only once before I caught on. I've also been known to loudly say, that child is an example of how you should never ever behave loudly enough that the parent will hear it and take action..... but, I'm very tired of all kids becoming targets of older people in restaurants just because they are young. It is reaching epidemic porportions and it's wrong. You have to be able to take your child out to teach said child right from wrong. And if the adults are behaving badly, I'll use them as bad examples too.... because rudeness never teaches good behavior... it just shows that the rude adult has no manners either. -- Jan RCTQ Coffee Diva Taria wrote in news:ShfXf.19$e11.1@trnddc02: I can take a lot but when the mom hands a spoon to a kid that is sitting at a metal tray type high chair I want to do mean things. : ) We took our kids a lot of places and they were usually very good. I had my niece and nephew out to a take out place once and he decided he was going to throw a fuss. I told him I was hungry and I was eating. (I was, actually always am) If he wanted to throw a fit he could go do it in the car alone. He shut up and started eating. Boy was I glad cause I had no back up plan! I told one woman in the post office once "clearly the only ones listening to you is the rest of us, not your kid. My mother would say that kid needs popped" The kid seemed to know the mom had no intention of making him behave. I'm probably lucky I didn't get shot but everyone in the place was glad to shut the mom up as much as the kid! Odd, I don't remember being beat or even really 'popped' I guess mom was good at threatening! Taria Jan wrote: And if you never take her out, how will she learn?? I'm sooooo very sorry that happened Dr. Quilter!!! We take Jess everywhere with us. How would she learn to behave in public if we didn't????? And I'm thinking as honery as Sandy is, her kids probably had their loud moments too..... hmmmm... vbg |
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Environment choices O.T. a new development in Scotland
Sorry, I have to disagree here. It's a shame that more restaurant/store
managers don't take the larger portion of clients into consideration and ask people to control their children. There is NOTHING wrong that I can see in what the manager asked DrQuilter to do - keep her child quiet, so that others could enjoy their meals in peace. Children should be taught the difference between inside and outside voice from the earliest possible age, and if they cannot be controlled in public then they need to be taken home. L "Kate Dicey" wrote in message ... DrQuilter wrote: sandy, we were asked to 'make sofia be quiet' in a japanese bistro the other day. this is not a fancy place, just a little place in a strip mall close to our home. there were other kids about her age. sofi was not missbehaving, screaming or yellling, she was just talking, but she has this loud sometimes high pitched voice when she is excited, and talks up a storm. we left, because there is no way I could control how much or how she talks and enjoy dinner... I have had some hilarious and not so hilarious experiences out with kids... Keep taking Sofia out with you, to all sorts of places. if people are 'off' about her, tell them how displeased you are, and that they have forever lost not only YOUR custom, but also that of all your friends and relations. -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
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Environment choices O.T. a new development in Scotland
Kellie J. Berger wrote:
on another note... it does wonders when a well placed stranger commends your children on being good out in public! Especially when the praise goes straight to the kiddos and not thru the parents. Been on the receiving end and the giving end and watched the effects on my kiddos. (and seen how it affected another child who was not being nice at a nearby restaurant table when mine were singled out for praise) As both a giver of such, and a receiver, I have to say that hits the note! -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
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OT Children in Restaurants [was Environmental...]
Batik Freak wrote:
Amen. I hate going in a restaurant or store and having inconsiderate parents with their bratty children running around. Keep them at home until you can control them, and then DO control them in public. Children are like puppies, they have to be trained. Part of that training is correction. Indeed - but another way is just to take them out even before they can sit up, and start by 'expecting' good behavior from 3 weeks old. From six to eight months old, James knew what to expect when we were out: if he got bored, he just went to sleep! Mind you, we tended to feed him first and then give him The Plug (dummy/comforter) when he was full, and some toys to play with. Half the time other diners didn't realize we had him with us. By the time he was three, we were collecting complements on how angelic his behavior was at almost every pub and restaurant we stopped at. And if he DID throw a boiled goblin fit, we just took him out immediately. Misbehavior was quashed rapidly, just as my parents did with us. If you are a parent, you have a duty and a responsibility to civilize your offspring. There are some kids who have built in problems with this (autism and other specific physical and learning difficulties spring to mind, but the right allowances can be made for those), but for problem-free kids who are just allowed to brat out there is no excuse, and no reason other than ignorance or lack of care from the parent. I now have a kid who prefers pubs and real restaurants to MacDeadburgers! -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
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Environment choices O.T. a new development in Scotland
Batik Freak wrote:
Sorry, I have to disagree here. It's a shame that more restaurant/store managers don't take the larger portion of clients into consideration and ask people to control their children. There is NOTHING wrong that I can see in what the manager asked DrQuilter to do - keep her child quiet, so that others could enjoy their meals in peace. Children should be taught the difference between inside and outside voice from the earliest possible age, and if they cannot be controlled in public then they need to be taken home. She wasn't misbehaving - just a bit loud. Turning the volume down is a good lesson, and easily taught and enforced. -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
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Mobile phones was - a new development in Scotland
I was in a QUILTING class with someone who
kept setting (playing with) her SM settings during the lecture portion. The thing sounded like setting a Micro wave oven. It was not too annoying ... but certainly odd and a wee bit distracting. After class, I said that to the instructor, Libby Lehman. Her reply was that with most SM you can turn off the sound. Beep! PAT in VA/USA wrote: I once had the misfortune to share a library reading room with somebody who was using some kind of crummy Windows machine that went bleep every time she hit a key. I was trying to read musical scores. Can you imagine how hard it is to hear music in your head with that in the background? (She didn't know how to turn it off, either). |
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OT Children in Restaurants [was Environmental...]
In article ,
Kate Dicey wrote: If you are a parent, you have a duty and a responsibility to civilize your offspring. Amen. We started taking our two DDs to restaurants when they were babies and only had to leave one once. The DDs knew better than to be on anything but their best behavior when we took them anywhere because we weren't afraid to tell them what the rules were and to enforce them. I get so tired of parents who won't insist on good behavior in public. Even in a casual restaurant with booths, we will frequently have to put up with children peering over the back of the one they're sitting in, throwing things into our booth. It's enough to ruin the appetite. :S -- Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas my ISP is earthlink.net -- put sfoster1(at) in front http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1 AKA Dame Sandy, Minister of Education |
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