Happiness is

wrote:
And you yourself Got the mistaken idea , Terrorists aren`t
Fighting ,,,, They are just sneaking into a place where many people
are , and Murder those people, never caring if this are babies , old
people , Women man ,, this isn`t Fighting ,,,,

One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. Remember the
Stern Gang, the Irgun and the assassination of Count Bernadotte in 1948.
--
Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney UK

wrote:
This has been borne out in so many instances that I have to conclude
it's true. In terms of terrorists and other murderers, I think there are
slightly different circumstances. Terrorists are fighting for something
very fundamental. Often, it's their land; their faith; their heritage.
Trish , if somebody murders others , does it really matter what the
reason is ?

Nope. Not at all. If some poor bugger is damaged enough to go and kill
another, then I feel sorry for him.

YOU should Not make any difference between terrorists and other
murdereres ,,, because terrorists are out there to KILL , no matter
whom and how many !!! ps do you really Justify murdering for....
THEIR FAITH ?????? .....

I have never justified murder and nor will I ever. With all the best
respect in the world, you have no right to tell me what I should or
shouldn't think. I'm not telling you how to think am I?

The only understanding of killing is when somebody is selfdeffending
against an attacker !!!!

Well, that's your opinion and welcome to it. I'm not interested in
justifying murder, just in having compassion for the souls who sink so
low as to commit it.

And you yourself Got the mistaken idea , Terrorists aren`t
Fighting ,,,, They are just sneaking into a place where many people
are , and Murder those people, never caring if this are babies , old
people , Women man ,, this isn`t Fighting ,,,,

Erm... That's your opinion again. Fine. I'm OK that it differs from
mine, but please don't try to justify your own vengefulness to me. I'm
not about to change my mind simply because you say I should, any more
than you'll change yours to suit me.

You'll notice that only the marginalised and disenfranchised
generally
tend to blow themselves up.
The people who attacked the Twin Towers were not marginalized , nore
disenfranchised.
Some of the terrorists that were caught here , were young people
Pushed to do it in all kinds of ways. No child of Leaders has ever
been sent to do it. there was a case of a young mother to kids whose
husband accused of harming the `Family Honor` , so if she would do it
[the suicide] at least her children will not be thrown into the street
by him , [she didn`t do it and lived to tell ] ,,, There are many more
cases , and you don`t know the real reasons ,,,

This simply corroborates what I said! 'Young people pushed to do it in
all kinds of ways' are not informed, mature, healthy adults making
sensible decisions for good reasons! They're brainwashed, poor fools,
and go to their deaths believing there'll be some celestial reward for
them at the end of it all.

escalates hatred. So, I prefer not to cultivate a vengeful attitude.
After all, the World Trade Centre criminals did their crime out of
vengeance didn't they? Why perpetuate such an *awful* crime by exacting
revenge?

No they did it to Convey a Political and Ideological/religious
Statement !!!
A message that they want to Destroy the WESTERN Culture ..
mirjam

Er, yes, that's right. Clearly they feel threatened by western culture
and everything it has 'offered' them in the past. Perhaps they don't
*want* western culture in their land? Considering western culture is
currently bombing the innards out of Iraq, I can understand that Iraqi
people might hate the west rather intensely right now. Can't you even
acknowledge that much? And, if someone were bombing the innards out of
*my* country, I'd certainly fight back in ways I thought might work.

What should we do, then, Mirjam? Kill everyone who doesn't fit *your*
notion of 'good' in the name of self-defence? Ppppbbblllfffttt!

--
Trish Brown {|:-}

Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Jangchub wrote:
And where do you put the white supremacists called "the Arian Nation?"

Victoria

Well, hells bells, that's a rather odd question since I have been
discussing "nationality" as it pertains to belonging to or "coming from"
a specific, country or physical nation. As far as I am concerned, the
"Arian Nation" folks belong on another planet! As far as I am
concerned, they would belong to a "cultural" nation, not one that has a
nationality (as in belonging to a specifivc country or physical nation)
ascribed to it.

Lucille wrote:
I know Brat already said exactly what I was thinking, but I have to say it
as well. I'm from the United States but I don't call myself a United
Statesian.
Just in case you haven't thought it through properly, I don't recall seeing
any country call Catholicville or Protestanttown, have you?


You aren't an United Statesian because you live in the United States
of AMERICA so are called an American. I am a Catholic, Irish-American
so I have one "cultural" nationality (Irish-American), one "religious"
nationality (Catholic) and one "physical" (for want of a better word)
nationality -- American. I was born and raised in this country so that
is my physical nationality and PHYSICAL nationality is what I have been
talking about. CiaoMeow ^;;^

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
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wrote:
Many `British` people i know call themselves English ,Scotish , wellsh
etc,,, not British ,,,,
.....snipped.........


I will say it again -- I am talking about actual physical nationality
(this has absolutely nothing to do with a persons religious affiliation
or cultural background) as in the piece of the world, the nation, a
person actually has citizenship in. CiaoMeow ^;;^

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary

Lucille wrote:
...,snipped.....
Just in case you haven't thought it through properly, I don't recall seeing
any country call Catholicville or Protestanttown, have you?

This is the very reason I said that being Jewish isn't a "physical"
nationality -- Jewish is a religion, not a physical nation. All I can
assume is that something in the beginning of my posts have caused some
sort of emotional reaction so they weren't read all the way through
because that is what I have said repeatedly. I wasn't addressing other
sorts of nationality, just the physical sort as in the actual piece of
the planet in which a person has citizenship. CiaoMeow ^;;^

Lucille wrote:
You could put the Aryan nation on a nice, all white, ice flow in the
Arctic. Preferably with a few absolutely all white polar bears.

Dawne



Are you trying to poison the poor, underprivileged polar bears. I would
think they might get hungry and then you know what might happen.

Now if you want to drop them into an iceberg, being sure it's one that
won't thaw for tens of thousands of years, that might be a different story.

L


NOPE -- I truly feel my idea is best -- they belong on another
planet. CiaoMeow ^;;^

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary

Joan E. wrote:
I guess I'd always assumed (yeah, yeah, I know...that's a dangerous
thing to do), rightly or wrongly, that the term Jewish came from the
people of Judea.

Could I *possibly* have assumed something correctly for once?

Joan

There is currently no area of the globe, no physical location marked
with the name Judea. Now -- another question if someone would answer it
-- I wonder why, when the country of Israel that we know of today was
"created", it was called Israel and not Judea? I'm sure this is based
on something biblical in nature, but, not being any sort of biblical
scholar, I can't even have an informed opinion, hence the question!
IIRC, there were the twelve tribes of Israel (this term meaning their
religious beliefs) and they originally lived in the part of the world
called Judea. CiaoMeow ^;;^

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
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Tia Mary wrote:

Lucille wrote:

I know Brat already said exactly what I was thinking, but I have to
say it as well. I'm from the United States but I don't call myself
a United Statesian.
Just in case you haven't thought it through properly, I don't recall
seeing any country call Catholicville or Protestanttown, have you?



You aren't an United Statesian because you live in the United States
of AMERICA so are called an American. I am a Catholic, Irish-American
so I have one "cultural" nationality (Irish-American), one "religious"
nationality (Catholic) and one "physical" (for want of a better word)
nationality -- American. I was born and raised in this country so that
is my physical nationality and PHYSICAL nationality is what I have been
talking about. CiaoMeow ^;;^

There is no such thing as physical nationality. There is legal
nationality and ethnic nationality and that's it. You were born and
raised in the country, so you are legally American. But a Turk born and
raised in Germany is not legally German, because the laws there are
different. My brother in law was born in Germany, but has no right to
German citizenship. On the other hand, even though he never stepped
foot in Estonia until he was 60 years old, he does have the right to
Estonian citizenship. You are making oversimplified generalizations
about a very complext subject.

Elizabeth
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
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Tia Mary wrote:

wrote:

Many `British` people i know call themselves English ,Scotish , wellsh
etc,,, not British ,,,,
.....snipped.........



I will say it again -- I am talking about actual physical nationality
(this has absolutely nothing to do with a persons religious affiliation
or cultural background) as in the piece of the world, the nation, a
person actually has citizenship in. CiaoMeow ^;;^

You're still wrong. There is no such thing as British citizenship. A
person is a citizen of the United Kingdom, but would still consider
themselves Scots, or Welsh, or Irish, or English all of which ARE
nationalities, in spite of your contention to the contrary.

A nation, by the way, is not a piece of the world. It is a group of
people. A country is a piece of the world and a country can contain
many nations.

Elizabeth
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*