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graver sharpening
I am trying to learn hand engraving on my own, with the help of two
books (Hardy/Bowman and Meeks). And watching videos on Youtube. These are a great help to visualise the process of engraving. Thing is, I just can't seem to find any instructional videos for sharpening gravers. All I could find is directed towards commercial products which are too expensive for me right now. Anybody has a link to a video which shows sharpening gravers using the flint-stone aged manual procedure with indian oilstone and arkansas stone? And, more of a european specific question, it seems, what kind of sharpening aids are used in Europe. The book speak about a graver holder / graver fixture "Crocker", but the only sources I can find are in the US. Anybody has sources in Europe, or a european equivalent? Thanks in advance, Ted |
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On Jul 28, 2:50=A0am, Ted Callier wrote:
I am trying to learn hand engraving on my own, with the help of two books (Hardy/Bowman and Meeks). And watching videos on Youtube. These are a great help to visualise the process of engraving. Thing is, I just can't seem to find any instructional videos for sharpening gravers. All I could find is directed towards commercial products which are too expensive for me right now. Anybody has a link to a video which shows sharpening gravers using the flint-stone aged manual procedure with indian oilstone and arkansas stone? And, more of a european specific question, it seems, what kind of sharpening aids are used in Europe. The book speak about a graver holder / graver fixture "Crocker", but the only sources I can find are in the US. Anybody has sources in Europe, or a european equivalent? Thanks in advance, Ted I found some links doing a google video search. Not all look helpful, not all are at youtube. http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dgra...3Doff&cl ien= t=3Dfirefox-a&rls=3Dorg.mozilla:en-USfficial&tbs=3Dvid:1&ei=3D0iNQTPqeJYX= GlQfW45G7CQ&start=3D0&sa=3DN&cts=3D1280320491496 Probably 2-3 will have some decent guidelines. |
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"Ted Callier" wrote in message ... I am trying to learn hand engraving on my own, with the help of two books (Hardy/Bowman and Meeks). And watching videos on Youtube. These are a great help to visualise the process of engraving. Thing is, I just can't seem to find any instructional videos for sharpening gravers. All I could find is directed towards commercial products which are too expensive for me right now. Anybody has a link to a video which shows sharpening gravers using the flint-stone aged manual procedure with indian oilstone and arkansas stone? And, more of a european specific question, it seems, what kind of sharpening aids are used in Europe. The book speak about a graver holder / graver fixture "Crocker", but the only sources I can find are in the US. Anybody has sources in Europe, or a european equivalent? Thanks in advance, Ted Ted, http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...ords=719800226 or http://preview.tinyurl.com/22vd25j I have a copy of this book and would recommend it for anybody beginning to learn hand engraving. And yes, it has detailed instructions on preparing and sharpening gravers -- and very much more. I found it an excellent read and reference book. Neil |
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Ted Callier wrote:
I am trying to learn hand engraving on my own, with the help of two books (Hardy/Bowman and Meeks). And watching videos on Youtube. These are a great help to visualise the process of engraving. Thing is, I just can't seem to find any instructional videos for sharpening gravers. All I could find is directed towards commercial products which are too expensive for me right now. Anybody has a link to a video which shows sharpening gravers using the flint-stone aged manual procedure with indian oilstone and arkansas stone? And, more of a european specific question, it seems, what kind of sharpening aids are used in Europe. The book speak about a graver holder / graver fixture "Crocker", but the only sources I can find are in the US. Anybody has sources in Europe, or a european equivalent? Thanks in advance, Ted Go he http://www.lindsayengraving.com/ And specifically to the engraver forum he http://www.engravingforum.com/ This is a very good place to ask questions. Here is the info you are looking for sharpening: http://airgraver.com/graver_point_geometry.htm and possibly http://airgraver.com/sharpening.htm, if you want to buy Steve Lindsay graver sharpening system. Here are the instructions for using the Lindsay Graver Sharpening system, http://www.engravingschool.com/priva...0Sharpener.htm Here is a page with lots of links http://www.engravingforum.com/showthread.php?t=419, one of them being free online videos http://www.engravingschool.com/private/videos.htm Another link leads to 11 hours of videos. And here is a video "Sharpening with Lindsay sharpener - flat and knife" http://vimeo.com/2164592. It's a 5 minute video. BTW, Steve is one of the best, if not the best, engraver working in the US today. Spend some time on his web site, and you'll understand. He is so busy, he is not taking any new orders at this time. Most likely he has enough work to last the rest of his life. Take a look at his shop at http://www.lindsayengraving.com/tour/index.html Almost all of the machine tools are antiques, that he meticulously restored himself, including hand scraping of the ways of his mills and lathes. An amazing craftsman! -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 23:00:09 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry Abrasha
wrote: Here is the info you are looking for sharpening: http://airgraver.com/graver_point_geometry.htm and possibly http://airgraver.com/sharpening.htm, if you want to buy Steve Lindsay graver sharpening system. As Abrasha points out, Steve's work is just amazing, and his suite of web sites an invaluable reference source. And it takes a lot to really impress Abrasha. If he's impressed, you can bet there's a real reason... :-) By the way, I strongly recommend Steve's sharpening system. I own a GRS power hone and fixture, which I had prior to getting Steve's system. The power hone if it's used at all these days, gets used with Steve's template system. Much faster and more repeatably accurate. You're limited to grinding the point geometries that the templates produce, but that selection is well chosen. You seldom would need or want much else. And the bare bones level system with just the universal template will do much of what many beginners would want. I tend to use the detailing template more often, and also use the flat/knife template. I've got a bunch of the others, but haven't needed them. I generally only need the 2000 grit stone and the 260 grit coarse one. The intermediate grades are nice to have if you want, but not really needed. So you can set yourself up with this setup for a lot less than a power hone system. Note that Steve's setup is designed exclusively for 3/32 square blank graver stock, such as the Carbalt or high speed steel gravers that Steve sells and uses. The system does not sharpen traditional graver shapes, only the square stock types. But these, for the type of work they're intended for, are a superior product in any case. You don't need a power assist handle like an airgraver to use these. Just a holder. Both Steve and GRS sell plain (not powered) graver handles for use with these types of engraving tools. Peter Rowe |
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For more info on gravers and graving - have you tried these sites:
http://www.engravingforum.com/ http://igraver.com/forum/ they have TONS of info and some really great people. Janice |
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And, more of a european specific question, it seems, what kind of
sharpening aids are used in Europe. The book speak about a graver holder / graver fixture "Crocker", but the only sources I can find are in the US. Anybody has sources in Europe, or a european equivalent? |
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On 04/09/10 07:27, Alav wrote:
And, more of a european specific question, it seems, what kind of sharpening aids are used in Europe. The book speak about a graver holder / graver fixture "Crocker", but the only sources I can find are in the US. Anybody has sources in Europe, or a european equivalent? You need a fine quality sharpening stone. You're also going to need a grinding wheel because 'as supplied' they're always far too long... You can either nip down to Suttons and spend money: http://www.suttontools.co.uk/acatalo...ystem_184.html Or you can do it the old fashioned way, by hand and eye. A decent graver is under £10. It's cheaper to buy half a dozen and learn to do it properly by trial and error. Or you could go on the short course (I think it's five days) 'Diamond setting' at the Central School of Jewellery in Birmingham where they spend a full day on preparing and sharpening gravers and bull sticks and other interesting small cutting tools under the eye of an expert. -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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Thanks again, I understand that they are the bare bones, and to be honest that is what I was looking for. It helps me to understand the process better. Im gonna play with the toys you gave me. I dont know why I was thinking that a motion compensated sharpening would be more capable of fending of haloing. I must be motion compensated because I usually am the culprit of the artifacts.
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