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  #11  
Old October 23rd 07, 03:02 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Kathy Applebaum
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Default Ethical question about quilt shows

It all depends on the rules of the show. Some shows don't allow kits at all.
Some allow them, but say that there must be a notation on the entry form.
Other shows (including many guild shows) don't care. It's only unethical
(which is pretty strong language) if she broke the show rules.

Personally, I don't see much difference between entering a kit quilt and
entering a quilt made from a pattern and having a friend choose the fabrics.
In both cases, the person entering the quilt didn't design the pattern and
didn't choose the fabrics. As long as they aren't taking credit for what
they didn't do (in other words, I think patterns, kits, etc should ALWAYS be
credited on the little sign hanging on the quilt), where's the problem?

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"Sunny" wrote in message
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I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this
year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by
one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics
must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any,
it was a kit.

OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just
getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical.
The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper
pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make
those fabric choices.

What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH
suggests?

Sunny



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Old October 23rd 07, 03:17 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Meandering
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Default Ethical question about quilt shows

On Oct 22, 11:51 pm, Sunny wrote:
I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this
year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by
one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics
must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any,
it was a kit.

OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just
getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical.
The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper
pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make
those fabric choices.

What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH
suggests?

Sunny


I think you have a valid point. but I also think there are many
aspects of quilt shows where this is common practice. I also feel
when you send your quilt out to be quilted by someone else they should
be given the credit for that part of the quilt. Kits, patterns,
quilting are all things that should be taken into consideration when
judging.

I have also been to shows that do not use accredited judges. Are the
awards valid, accredited or is that just a "matter of opinion"
award. :-)

Marsha

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Old October 23rd 07, 03:52 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
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Default Ethical question about quilt shows

Howdy!

Yeah, what Debra said.

R/Sandy


On 10/23/07 2:13 AM, in article ,
"Debra" wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:51:55 -0700, Sunny wrote:

I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this
year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by
one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics
must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any,
it was a kit.

OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just
getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical.
The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper
pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make
those fabric choices.

What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH
suggests?

Sunny


It isn't any different than buying a Thimbleberries quilt pattern and
then buying exactly the same Thimbleberries prints as shown in the
pattern sample picture. The only advantage would be having the full
fabric line or lines the designer used when designing the quilt.

I've seen many BOMs sold as monthly block kits, but they would only be
listed as BOMs in a show. Many of those BOM patterns are only sold in
kits so there isn't even a chance to choose a set of fabrics yourself
unless you want to throw away several hundred dollars worth of kit
fabric, do a lot of math to figure actual yardage needed, and buy all
new fabric to make the quilt.

I don't think a quilt kit would be easier to sew than following a
pattern in a book either. It might be harder since there is a risk of
running out of any of the fabrics included in the kit, and if the
block pieces are pre-cut there is the added risk of poorly cut pieces
to challenge the quilter.

I think as long as the designer was mentioned on the information card,
as it should be for any other quilt designer, it should be all right.
It isn't like all the quilts at a show are expected to be original
patterns by each quilt maker. If that were expected there would be a
lot fewer quilts in shows, and probably a lot fewer shows too.
Debra in VA
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Old October 23rd 07, 04:05 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Sally Swindells
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Default Ethical question about quilt shows

What if two people entered identical quilts!

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MB wrote:
Did the judges know that it came from a kit? I once saw a quilt made from
a kit
in a show and people were raving about it too. Scads of fabrics and it was
lovely.
It did win a prize but I didn't see anything on it that said it was from a
kit---and
I knew that it was because I had bought the same kit then returned it when
I knew I just
couldn't do that much hand applique !! Mary/VT


snipped:
"Sunny"
I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this
year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by
one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics
must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any,
it was a kit.



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Old October 23rd 07, 04:37 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Pati C.
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Default Ethical question about quilt shows

Our guild show doesn't allow kit quilts to be entered for competition.
G They also don't allow kitted block of the month quilts and such. IF
there is room in the show these items may be entered for display only.

Along the same lines they also do not allow whole cloth that are
pre-stamped with the quilting design. sigh. (That one I don't
understand...... especially with the small ones that are a single
stencil. why should it matter if I transfered the design, or someone
else did it?? I am doing the quilting-- selecting the backing, batting,
thread and finishing. sigh)

I agree with you. And also think that kit quilts should be labeled as
such. We all know to acknowledge the designer of the quilt on the label,
well, the selection of the fabric is a part of the process that should
also be credited. In my opinion anyway. VBG

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Sunny wrote:
I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this
year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by
one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics
must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any,
it was a kit.

OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just
getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical.
The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper
pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make
those fabric choices.

What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH
suggests?

Sunny

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Old October 23rd 07, 05:06 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Pat in Virginia
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Default Ethical question about quilt shows

Uppity Quilters Unite!!
PAT, a UQ in VA/USA

Polly Esther wrote:

While Sunny is being snitty, I'll just be uppity. (Ha. My mind zigzags off
here to the How the Fight Started and 'which one are you then?').
I simply can not imagine making a quilt where someone else chose the
fabric prints and colors and orchestrated the blending thereof. I can't
even take a cheater panel for a crib quilt and leave it alone; I always have
to make it mine.
Even out here in the Swamp where all they sell is barbed wire and hawg
feed, it would be impossible for me to accept what someone else put
together.
So. I reject the notion that a kit would be an unfair advantage. We
'uppity' quilters would think of it as a handicap.
Which one are you then? Polly

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Old October 23rd 07, 05:15 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
MB
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Default Ethical question about quilt shows

Yes, you are right. The show that I saw the quilt made from a kit was a
small show
but it was still a treat to see it made up. The shop that sold the kit
was 2 hours away
from this town so perhaps the judges hadn't known about it...and how could
they
with so much available today. And would it have made a difference..I don't
know.
I've noticed that a lot of art quilts today use paint on the surface ..kind
of make your own
fabric....and I had to get used to that idea which was new to me. Quilting
methods..
surface designing..etc., are moving in all directions !


"Julia in MN" wrote in message
...
I think it depends on the rules of the show. Our local show is not a
judged show, so rules are probably more lax than in a judged show and I
would find a quilt from a kit to be more acceptable. It seems like the
"kit-builder" should be given some credit. Of course, you could end up
with quite a list of credits: "Pattern designed by A, fabrics selected
by B, piecing and/or applique done by C, quilted by D". I'm not a big
fan of kits, because I like the challenge of selecting fabrics to make a
pattern my own; for me part of the process is making something that is
not exactly like someone else's.

Julia in MN

Sunny wrote:
I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this
year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by
one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics
must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any,
it was a kit.

OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just
getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical.
The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper
pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make
those fabric choices.

What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH
suggests?

Sunny



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Old October 23rd 07, 05:19 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
MB
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Default Ethical question about quilt shows

Now that could create problems !!! I do remember entering only one
show but had to send a picture along w/ the entry form so perhaps they
would ...if they had a lot of quilts entered.....deny one..or both entries?
I guess I'll never get into judging ...I wouldn't want to be the one making
decisions !!...Mary



"Sally Swindells" ...
What if two people entered identical quilts!

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MB wrote:
Did the judges know that it came from a kit? I once saw a quilt made

from
a kit
in a show and people were raving about it too. Scads of fabrics and it

was
lovely.
It did win a prize but I didn't see anything on it that said it was from

a
kit---and
I knew that it was because I had bought the same kit then returned it

when
I knew I just
couldn't do that much hand applique !! Mary/VT


snipped:
"Sunny"
I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this
year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by
one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics
must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any,
it was a kit.




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Old October 23rd 07, 05:40 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Pat in Virginia
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Default Ethical question about quilt shows

Boy, my sentence after "(BTDT!)" is really confusing
.... even I cannot understand it! I THINK I meant to say
something along the lines of "If the committee elects
or is required to accept kit quilts, perhaps that
should be a separate category." Clear as mud?

PAT in VA/USA

Pat in Virginia wrote:

What I think: the rules of each show will vary, so some may permit kit
quilts, others not. If you prefer another set of rules, volunteer for
the next show committee. Of course the rest of the committee may out
vote your suggestions, but at least you would have tried. (BTDT!!) If a
committee is required to hang those quilts, perhaps that should be a
separate committee. You are not rude, nor snitty ... unless you've
blabbed it all over the show and guild, which of course I doubt. I'd
have your reaction too!!
PAT in VA/USA

Sunny wrote:

I was admiring the gorgeous quilt that won the top prizes at this
year's local guild quilt show a few weeks back today. It was made by
one of the owners of the LQS here. I opined that picking the fabrics
must have been really a hoot when she said that she hadn't picked any,
it was a kit.

OK, I understand somebody entering a kitted quilt if they are just
getting started, but ...... this struck me as just a bit unethical.
The show is viewer's choice and the quilt is stunning. It's paper
pieced and the design just seems to glow. But she didn't really make
those fabric choices.

What do you folks think? Am I just being rude and snitty, as my DH
suggests?

Sunny

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Old October 23rd 07, 05:43 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
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Default Ethical question about quilt shows

It happens a lot, Sally. We noticed there were three identical quilts at
the most recent quilt show we attended. They were all baskets with the very
same 3-dimensional flowers in the very same fabrics. Maybe they were from a
kit or a class. If making and entering them made the quilters happy, it's
certainly okay with me but I just couldn't do it. Polly


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