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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
My biggest pet peeve in this category is "your" when the writer really means
"you're." It's everywhere! -- Donna in Idaho Reply to daawra3553 at yahoo dot com It's just awful! My current pet peeve is the difference in its/it's and similar words with and without apostrophes. I can't figure out why people can't see that an apostrophe on a pronoun means that a letter is missing. Therefore, "it's" really means "it is", not that something belongs to "it". :S There is no such thing as "her's" or "their's". Sheesh. -- Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas sfoster 1 (at) earthlink (dot) net (remove/change the obvious) http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1 |
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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/begquest.html
Yes, that one's almost a completely lost issue. But they don't call me Pig Quixote for nothing. --pig On 2/22/07 02:53, in article erjllv$g6h$2@qmul, "Hanne Gottliebsen" wrote: "begs the questions": I have only _ever_ heard it used in as "leads us to ask". Of course, I do proofs for a living, and end up using phrases like "circular reasoning" even with friends/family not from work, who may not be entirely sure what I mean by that... |
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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
Just yesterday the 11yo from next door brought me an "essay"
he had written to show me his ribbon for best in class. It was only two small pages of large writing of course, but the teacher had not corrected a single spelling or grammar mistake! I'm not talking about dangling participles here - I mean there was almost no punctuation and any word over two syllables was phonetically spelled out (and not well at that!). Now this child loves to read, and when I questioned him he said he thought some of his writing was "wrong" but that the teacher didn't care as long as it was at least two pages. This boy goes to secondary school next year, and from what I have observed there is no effort there to correct writing standards either. One girl I tutored had her work corrected when she was right and the teacher was wrong! I wanted to write to the school but as I am not a parent there the girl asked me not to as she didn't want the teacher getting mad at her. What hope have we of producing literate students with attitudes like that, and when even school report cards come home with errors? -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Sunny" wrote in message oups.com... : Go, Pig! In my former life as a responsible, earning adult, I was a : writer. I was a newspaper writer/reporter for my entire career. : Newspapers often opt for "calarity over grammar" -- as if the two : were mutually exclusive. Drove me nuts. Even though I always intended : to be a reporter, my degree was in English Literature. My husband is : now City Editor of our local newspaper. He and I have had some snippy : discussions through our years together about language. His position is : that language and spelling are evolving, as they always have, and that : staid, stuffy traditionalists had better just give it up. My position : is that there is correct and there is incorrect and that people who : want to make their words public should first make certain that those : words are correct. I grit my teeth all the time when reading : everything from major daily newspapers to blogs. OMG people! Get a : tiny little copy of Strunk and White and learn to write the English : language. : : (I am not talking about folks, like all of us here, who "talk" on : posting boards. I really don't get too worked up about grammar or : spelling or such when we are having what amounts to a friendly and : very casual conversation. Nobody here is intending to publish their : words and immortalize their posts, so please don't be offended by my : little rant here.) : : Enough ranting. You get the picture. I fervantly wish that people who : write for public consumption would consult the necessary books/ : websites/English teachers and write with precision and conformity to : standard English. And yes, I AM one of "those people". : : Sunny : who grew up in rural, hicksville Texas saying such things as "nukuler : mirs" and "liberry" and "it's down around the co'ner", and if I can : learn and change, anybody can : : : |
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My pet horror story in this vein happened to the son of an old HS
girlfriend. As she's quite literate and had proofed his paper, she was somewhat baffled to see how many points had been taken off for spelling, and looked further. His teacher had marked "air conditioning" as spelled incorrectly. She went to the teacher and asked her precisely what was wrong with the spelling, and the teacher insisted that EVERYONE knows the correct spelling is "air condishunning". Physically presenting the teacher with the dictionary entry simply got a response of "well, I admit it's hard to understand how it could happen, but obviously the dictionary's got it wrong as well." Appeals to the principal got "We cannot override the grading of any teacher for any reason." If that's not insanity, I don't know what is. (The school system in question was in Florida, the grade level was circa age 10.) --pig --pig On 2/22/07 16:38, in article , "CATS" wrote: One girl I tutored had her work corrected when she was right and the teacher was wrong! |
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OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt
On Feb 21, 1:07�pm, Pat in Virginia wrote:
Shoots, Eats, and Leaves is terrific. Yesterday I took a bunch of stuff to the charity shop, and found a NEW copy of that book. I gladly bought it for just $1.00. Someone must have gotten it for a gift and was not pleased. My gain. PAT in VA/USA Patti wrote: I have it, too! It was a revelation to the 12 year-old I was tutoring for two years - to realise that punctuation was not a torture invented by teachers, but a functional and vital part of the English language g . In message om, John writes I love her! *I received a copy of "Shoots, Eats, and Leaves" for Christmas and have been wholeheartedly enjoying reading it! -- Anita -- I gave that book to her for her birthday. So much for sentimentality. She loved it by the way. John- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A trend I have noticed lately is the way some people pronounce words that start with 's'. Instead of saying 'street' for example, they say 'shtreet'. Or 'shweet' for 'sweet'. Or 'shtring' for 'string'. Listen to Tyra Banks sometime. She speaks this way. I've noticed this more and more on TV, sometimes from reporters on national or cable news shows. |
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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky
Howdy!
"I could care less" which is wrong-wrong-wrong. The expression is "I care so little I couldn't possibly care less!" or "I couldn't care less!" ;-P Heard too often (and have read it twice so far in the latest book on my list): "They wished he would have had the time..." instead of "They wished he had had the time." Are people afraid to use the word "me" instead of "I"? "The prize was given to my husband and I"-- Yikes! In today's newspaper: "The children she taught, like her, were poor foster children." Oy! But it's that first one that makes me holler, "You could, too!" ;-P Ragmop/Sandy-- too tired to quilt another minute after spending time working in the yard; set out some of my flagstones until it got too hot (86*), extending the rock garden On 2/22/07 3:59 PM, in article , "Donna in Idaho" wrote: My biggest pet peeve in this category is "your" when the writer really means "you're." It's everywhere! |
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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky
I volunteer teach adult literacy, and for the most part my student is
a person whose native language is not English. I teach one-on-one so we are able to really get into the meaty discussions about grammar and how English is such a strange language. I usually end up teaching not only the reading but also the speaking aspect of English. Until I listened to the blunders and laughed along with my students, I couldn't appreciate how much effort they go to, to learn the language! Ginger in CA On Feb 22, 6:51 pm, Sandy Ellison wrote: Howdy! "I could care less" which is wrong-wrong-wrong. The expression is "I care so little I couldn't possibly care less!" or "I couldn't care less!" ;-P Heard too often (and have read it twice so far in the latest book on my list): "They wished he would have had the time..." instead of "They wished he had had the time." Are people afraid to use the word "me" instead of "I"? "The prize was given to my husband and I"-- Yikes! In today's newspaper: "The children she taught, like her, were poor foster children." Oy! But it's that first one that makes me holler, "You could, too!" ;-P Ragmop/Sandy-- too tired to quilt another minute after spending time working in the yard; set out some of my flagstones until it got too hot (86*), extending the rock garden |
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OT: apostrophe
Okay I like correct spelling and grammar, but I know that thhat I have
a lot of room for improvement. Apostrophes I am hopeless with, but I thought that the following sentence form our local paper was wrong. "Playing on Myle's bed with younger brother Philip......" Is that wrong and what should it be or am I wrong ? Dee in Oz On Feb 23, 5:41 am, "Sunny" wrote: Go, Pig! In my former life as a responsible, earning adult, I was a writer. I was a newspaper writer/reporter for my entire career. Newspapers often opt for "calarity over grammar" -- as if the two were mutually exclusive. Drove me nuts. Even though I always intended to be a reporter, my degree was in English Literature. My husband is now City Editor of our local newspaper. He and I have had some snippy discussions through our years together about language. His position is that language and spelling are evolving, as they always have, and that staid, stuffy traditionalists had better just give it up. My position is that there is correct and there is incorrect and that people who want to make their words public should first make certain that those words are correct. I grit my teeth all the time when reading everything from major daily newspapers to blogs. OMG people! Get a tiny little copy of Strunk and White and learn to write the English language. (I am not talking about folks, like all of us here, who "talk" on posting boards. I really don't get too worked up about grammar or spelling or such when we are having what amounts to a friendly and very casual conversation. Nobody here is intending to publish their words and immortalize their posts, so please don't be offended by my little rant here.) Enough ranting. You get the picture. I fervantly wish that people who write for public consumption would consult the necessary books/ websites/English teachers and write with precision and conformity to standard English. And yes, I AM one of "those people". Sunny who grew up in rural, hicksville Texas saying such things as "nukuler mirs" and "liberry" and "it's down around the co'ner", and if I can learn and change, anybody can |
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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
On 22 Feb 2007 10:52:55 -0800, "Sunny" wrote:
No Edward, what we are talking about is not the result of evolving language. We are talking about the mangling of standard usage -- grammar and spelling -- by people who should know better or who should employ a proofreader. As for geographic differences in pronunciation: I find most local dialects to be lovely to hear. The spoken language has great poetry in it. But when one goes on the air as a professional, either a news person or a spokesperson for an important organization/agency, that person has a responsibility to speak properly. It's fine and dandy to have an accent, but accents seldom account for the truly ignorant pronunciations that one hears coming from public servants who should know better. As for OT -- I think this discussion is completely on topic. We are quilters and we spend a lot of time making certain colors work together, points match, lines are straight.....how can we not carry that precision and care over to language? I really believe that there is a similarity between quilting and writing. I think that's why this "caught" me when I lost my ability to write for a living. This discussion isn't just about words. It's about who we are as quilters. We are people of precision and care. We are really discussing the things that make us good quilters. Our eyes, ears, senses and internal "gyroscope" if you will. I find this topic totally on topic. Sunny snip The evolution of language comes about by the very process of which you complain. Language is the medium by which we communicate meaning, if meaning is compromised then a problem occurs. If meaning is clear then it really comes down to preference,the language used has served its purpose. There is no such thing as 'speaking properly'. What may be 'proper' for you may be quite the opposite for others. Many in the UK would consider North American accents and use of the English language an affront rather than a natural development. With respect to the subject being 'OnT', your reasoning is bizarre. What is it about rec.crafts.textiles.quilting you find difficult to comprehend? |
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Thank Goodness for Message Blocking was OT: Grammar-Picky
"Edward W. Thompson" wrote
((snip)) : : With respect to the subject being 'OnT', your reasoning is bizarre. : What is it about rec.crafts.textiles.quilting you find difficult to : comprehend? Please feel free NOT to add snide or whiney comments to your responses to clearly marked OT messages. If you don't like seeing OT comments in a "quilting orum" - and you have constantly made it clear that you don't - then don't read them. And if you don't agree with the comments of others either don't reply to them, or at least try to remain civil (see definition below). From M-W Dictionary - synonyms CIVIL, POLITE, COURTEOUS, GALLANT, CHIVALROUS mean observant of the forms required by good breeding. CIVIL often suggests little more than the avoidance of overt rudeness owed the questioner a civil reply. POLITE commonly implies polish of speech and manners and sometimes suggests an absence of cordiality if you can't be pleasant, at least be polite. COURTEOUS implies more actively considerate or dignified politeness clerks who were unfailingly courteous to customers. GALLANT and CHIVALROUS imply courteous attentiveness especially to women. GALLANT suggests spirited and dashing behavior and ornate expressions of courtesy a gallant suitor of the old school. CHIVALROUS suggests high-minded and self-sacrificing behavior a chivalrous display of duty. If you are merely amusing yourself by testing how many people you can annoy enough for them to snap back - congratulations! You have caught me on a bad day. I have snapped back (more from exasperation than anger), and you have goaded me into being as rude to you as you are to this group. Are you happy? Message blocking applied in THIS reader too - I should have remembered when I updated (sigh)! -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau |
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