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Actually, I have just been too busy to read the ng last few days! That
always happens near the weekends. -- LN in NH a crazy quilter * hand quilter * & hand appliquér all in all --- a very slow quilter.... So send quilts! http://photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed "Sharon Harper" wrote in message u... Well if'n you'd jest been a bit more quick instead of doin' that politeness thing...... -- Sharon From Melbourne Australia (Qof DU) http://www.geocities.com/shazrules/index.html |
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Ooh, yes, please! I'll take one Thank-ee, and an extra large Margarootle,
extra salt and a dishy footman! -- Wendy http://griffinsflight.com/Quilting/quilt1.htm de-fang email address to reply "DDM" wrote in message ... Oh, now you're gonna go and make poor Diana laugh if she reads what you wrote, Wendy. And it hurts to laugh after having surgery....a lot. Besides, don't you want those fancy engraved thank you notecards to be hand delivered on a silver platter by the footman? Maybe they'll be delivering some Margarootles too. g Dee in LeRoy, NY (on the lookout for a good Margarootle delivery myself) |
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Glad you're mending!
No need to thank us, really. Remember we're a network by our own volition. What affects you affects me, both the good stuff and the bad. And that quote-I-can't-remember about how shared joy multiplies, while shared trouble reduces? It's perfectly true. We bask in the light of our friends, even the cyber-light. I know for a fact that it's not even necessary to tell you my troubles to feel a calming presence. Reading the ng every day keeps all of you in my thoughts, just as I am sure to be in all of yours. Thanks! Roberta in D "Diana Curtis" wrote in message ... Im going to do a quick explanation with no gory details about my operation so everyone knows that I didnt get sent through a wringer. I had the type of gall bladder removal they used to do, and still do sometimes, instead of the easier to recover from laparoscopic type they prefer to do. So, instead of a set of tiny cuts I have a larger one, stapled shut, and two drain sites. The other part of the operation was a strange one where they ran a camera and other gizmos to the site of the stones via the mouth and got some out of the ducts. The reason my gall bladder needed this more invasive set of procedures was simply that there were so many stones and because they were large. Coctail onion size they said. While in the hospital I thought about what might and could happen while in surgery. I guess its inevitable to face ones own mortality, especially when we know we would leave precious little ones behind, but when I read the messages Mike printed and brought in from all of you I realized two things. Many of you had lived through these procedures and are happy for having done so. Second, I was not going to entertain the notion of leaving. Dying was not an option. I learned too that love can float around me and cradle me in times of fear. I felt very little. I dont know, or care what diety or enti ty you sent your prayers towards. I still feel them. They help me heal, because a body cant help but heal better when it feels happy, valued and loved. hmm...people have accused me of being effusive. Ill add maudlin to that list. Its your own problem if it seems over the top. In fact.. let me know if its over the top and Ill privately email you with MORE! buwahahahahahaha!!! hey, I dont LIKE whats happened to me... it hurts, but dang, you guys know how to do that love thing so nicely. My individual thanks will come as I have time and energy. I have a lot of them to do. I will do them with joy. Its so odd to feel so wonderfully happy. my love to you Diana I should probably let this sit overnight to edit later when Im not so high.. but.. i dont know.. is there a reason why I should not be this open with my feelings? -- http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 |
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Howdy!
Welcome home, RZ! SHE'S BAAACK!! Roberta & I "did" Fort Worth lightly the other day, finished w/ a glass of cold tea and a lonnnnng talk. Met Roberta's lovely older daughter; she does quilt shops, too. g Now let's talk Roberta into Houston 20-0-4 ! Ragmop/Sandy--leaving the charming thoughts from the original post "Roberta Zollner" wrote in message ... Glad you're mending! No need to thank us, really. Remember we're a network by our own volition. What affects you affects me, both the good stuff and the bad. And that quote-I-can't-remember about how shared joy multiplies, while shared trouble reduces? It's perfectly true. We bask in the light of our friends, even the cyber-light. I know for a fact that it's not even necessary to tell you my troubles to feel a calming presence. Reading the ng every day keeps all of you in my thoughts, just as I am sure to be in all of yours. Thanks! Roberta in D "Diana Curtis" wrote in message ... Im going to do a quick explanation with no gory details about my operation so everyone knows that I didnt get sent through a wringer. I had the type of gall bladder removal they used to do, and still do sometimes, instead of the easier to recover from laparoscopic type they prefer to do. So, instead of a set of tiny cuts I have a larger one, stapled shut, and two drain sites. The other part of the operation was a strange one where they ran a camera and other gizmos to the site of the stones via the mouth and got some out of the ducts. The reason my gall bladder needed this more invasive set of procedures was simply that there were so many stones and because they were large. Coctail onion size they said. While in the hospital I thought about what might and could happen while in surgery. I guess its inevitable to face ones own mortality, especially when we know we would leave precious little ones behind, but when I read the messages Mike printed and brought in from all of you I realized two things. Many of you had lived through these procedures and are happy for having done so. Second, I was not going to entertain the notion of leaving. Dying was not an option. I learned too that love can float around me and cradle me in times of fear. I felt very little. I dont know, or care what diety or enti ty you sent your prayers towards. I still feel them. They help me heal, because a body cant help but heal better when it feels happy, valued and loved. hmm...people have accused me of being effusive. Ill add maudlin to that list. Its your own problem if it seems over the top. In fact.. let me know if its over the top and Ill privately email you with MORE! buwahahahahahaha!!! hey, I dont LIKE whats happened to me... it hurts, but dang, you guys know how to do that love thing so nicely. My individual thanks will come as I have time and energy. I have a lot of them to do. I will do them with joy. Its so odd to feel so wonderfully happy. my love to you Diana I should probably let this sit overnight to edit later when Im not so high.. but.. i dont know.. is there a reason why I should not be this open with my feelings? http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 |
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Nurse Ratched, ain't it enough she had gallbladder surgery? Now you're gonna
afflict her with esophagogastroduodenoscopy? I am in reasonably good health -- at least out of the hospital--and it is too much for me! Nell in Austin "Paul & Suzie Beckwith" wrote in message ... On 10 Aug 2003 01:16:25 GMT, uckoo (Nurse Ratched) wrote: they ran a camera and other gizmos to the site of the stones via the mouth Your vocabulary word for today is "esophagogastroduodenoscopy", more commonly--and much more easily--referrred to as "E.G.D." Nurse Ratched (remove "cuckoo" from address to reply) We'll all get back to normal if we put our nation first, But the trouble with "normal" is, it always gets worse. ~Bruce Cockburn Is that one of those words you give to your kids and tell them to make as many 4 letter and above words out of it? With a prize for the longest they can come up with? I can get "copyshop" for 8... Suzie B -- "From the internet connection under the pier" Southend, UK http://community.webshots.com/user/suziekga |
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I am sorry, but I have to say something about this. I have heard of
this, and I'd really like to know if there was a statistical significance between the improvment of people that were prayed for and those what were not. I truly don't believe in this!!! BTW, I think that if we want to help other people, actions are much more effective! Nell Reynolds wrote: Three or four years ago I read about some big research group that decided to research the efficacy of prayers. Yeah, right, I thought. But this research group asked people and groups all over the world to pray to their own god(s) in their own way to help various people. They enlisted Christian preachers of all denominations to ask for prayers from the pulpit, nuns and monks from various convents and monasteries, Buddhist temples, Muslim religious leaders, rabbis, and people from religions I had never heard of. The article said they conducted this in the standard double-blind method, different religions for various people not of their faith and in their faith, and a control group that got no prayer at all. No names were included, just requests for "a person (no gender or age) in (location) suffering from (affliction)." In every case, from every source of prayer, the target of the prayers reported improvement that was confirmed by diagnosis. Prayer does help. Nell in Austin " Ellison" wrote in message ... Howdy! Welcome home, RZ! SHE'S BAAACK!! Roberta & I "did" Fort Worth lightly the other day, finished w/ a glass of cold tea and a lonnnnng talk. Met Roberta's lovely older daughter; she does quilt shops, too. g Now let's talk Roberta into Houston 20-0-4 ! Ragmop/Sandy--leaving the charming thoughts from the original post "Roberta Zollner" wrote in message ... Glad you're mending! No need to thank us, really. Remember we're a network by our own volition. What affects you affects me, both the good stuff and the bad. And that quote-I-can't-remember about how shared joy multiplies, while shared trouble reduces? It's perfectly true. We bask in the light of our friends, even the cyber-light. I know for a fact that it's not even necessary to tell you my troubles to feel a calming presence. Reading the ng every day keeps all of you in my thoughts, just as I am sure to be in all of yours. Thanks! Roberta in D "Diana Curtis" wrote in message ... Im going to do a quick explanation with no gory details about my operation so everyone knows that I didnt get sent through a wringer. I had the type of gall bladder removal they used to do, and still do sometimes, instead of the easier to recover from laparoscopic type they prefer to do. So, instead of a set of tiny cuts I have a larger one, stapled shut, and two drain sites. The other part of the operation was a strange one where they ran a camera and other gizmos to the site of the stones via the mouth and got some out of the ducts. The reason my gall bladder needed this more invasive set of procedures was simply that there were so many stones and because they were large. Coctail onion size they said. While in the hospital I thought about what might and could happen while in surgery. I guess its inevitable to face ones own mortality, especially when we know we would leave precious little ones behind, but when I read the messages Mike printed and brought in from all of you I realized two things. Many of you had lived through these procedures and are happy for having done so. Second, I was not going to entertain the notion of leaving. Dying was not an option. I learned too that love can float around me and cradle me in times of fear. I felt very little. I dont know, or care what diety or enti ty you sent your prayers towards. I still feel them. They help me heal, because a body cant help but heal better when it feels happy, valued and loved. hmm...people have accused me of being effusive. Ill add maudlin to that list. Its your own problem if it seems over the top. In fact.. let me know if its over the top and Ill privately email you with MORE! buwahahahahahaha!!! hey, I dont LIKE whats happened to me... it hurts, but dang, you guys know how to do that love thing so nicely. My individual thanks will come as I have time and energy. I have a lot of them to do. I will do them with joy. Its so odd to feel so wonderfully happy. my love to you Diana I should probably let this sit overnight to edit later when Im not so high.. but.. i dont know.. is there a reason why I should not be this open with my feelings? http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 -- Dr. Quilter Ambassador of Extraordinary Aliens |
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It's a proven fact! Studies have shown that if you pray before surgery,
healing time is much faster and you have a better turn out altogether with the surgery and recovery. Shelly "Dr. Quilter" wrote in message ... I am sorry, but I have to say something about this. I have heard of this, and I'd really like to know if there was a statistical significance between the improvment of people that were prayed for and those what were not. I truly don't believe in this!!! BTW, I think that if we want to help other people, actions are much more effective! Nell Reynolds wrote: Three or four years ago I read about some big research group that decided to research the efficacy of prayers. Yeah, right, I thought. But this research group asked people and groups all over the world to pray to their own god(s) in their own way to help various people. They enlisted Christian preachers of all denominations to ask for prayers from the pulpit, nuns and monks from various convents and monasteries, Buddhist temples, Muslim religious leaders, rabbis, and people from religions I had never heard of. The article said they conducted this in the standard double-blind method, different religions for various people not of their faith and in their faith, and a control group that got no prayer at all. No names were included, just requests for "a person (no gender or age) in (location) suffering from (affliction)." In every case, from every source of prayer, the target of the prayers reported improvement that was confirmed by diagnosis. Prayer does help. Nell in Austin " Ellison" wrote in message ... Howdy! Welcome home, RZ! SHE'S BAAACK!! Roberta & I "did" Fort Worth lightly the other day, finished w/ a glass of cold tea and a lonnnnng talk. Met Roberta's lovely older daughter; she does quilt shops, too. g Now let's talk Roberta into Houston 20-0-4 ! Ragmop/Sandy--leaving the charming thoughts from the original post "Roberta Zollner" wrote in message ... Glad you're mending! No need to thank us, really. Remember we're a network by our own volition. What affects you affects me, both the good stuff and the bad. And that quote-I-can't-remember about how shared joy multiplies, while shared trouble reduces? It's perfectly true. We bask in the light of our friends, even the cyber-light. I know for a fact that it's not even necessary to tell you my troubles to feel a calming presence. Reading the ng every day keeps all of you in my thoughts, just as I am sure to be in all of yours. Thanks! Roberta in D "Diana Curtis" wrote in message ... Im going to do a quick explanation with no gory details about my operation so everyone knows that I didnt get sent through a wringer. I had the type of gall bladder removal they used to do, and still do sometimes, instead of the easier to recover from laparoscopic type they prefer to do. So, instead of a set of tiny cuts I have a larger one, stapled shut, and two drain sites. The other part of the operation was a strange one where they ran a camera and other gizmos to the site of the stones via the mouth and got some out of the ducts. The reason my gall bladder needed this more invasive set of procedures was simply that there were so many stones and because they were large. Coctail onion size they said. While in the hospital I thought about what might and could happen while in surgery. I guess its inevitable to face ones own mortality, especially when we know we would leave precious little ones behind, but when I read the messages Mike printed and brought in from all of you I realized two things. Many of you had lived through these procedures and are happy for having done so. Second, I was not going to entertain the notion of leaving. Dying was not an option. I learned too that love can float around me and cradle me in times of fear. I felt very little. I dont know, or care what diety or enti ty you sent your prayers towards. I still feel them. They help me heal, because a body cant help but heal better when it feels happy, valued and loved. hmm...people have accused me of being effusive. Ill add maudlin to that list. Its your own problem if it seems over the top. In fact.. let me know if its over the top and Ill privately email you with MORE! buwahahahahahaha!!! hey, I dont LIKE whats happened to me... it hurts, but dang, you guys know how to do that love thing so nicely. My individual thanks will come as I have time and energy. I have a lot of them to do. I will do them with joy. Its so odd to feel so wonderfully happy. my love to you Diana I should probably let this sit overnight to edit later when Im not so high.. but.. i dont know.. is there a reason why I should not be this open with my feelings? http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 -- Dr. Quilter Ambassador of Extraordinary Aliens --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/03 |
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I agree. I'd love to see the reports for these studies.
-- Teresa in Colorado -- "Dr. Quilter" wrote in message ... Who conducted these studies? I don't have any problem with you personally Shelly, and no reason not to believe what you are saying, but just because you tell me it is a proven fact doesn't mean I have to automatically take it as such, do you agree? I am just very skeptical. I am sure that people that pray want to believe that they are doing something good for the person they are praying for, but I'd like to see some evidence, not just statements like that. Shelly wrote: It's a proven fact! Studies have shown that if you pray before surgery, healing time is much faster and you have a better turn out altogether with the surgery and recovery. Shelly "Dr. Quilter" wrote in message ... I am sorry, but I have to say something about this. I have heard of this, and I'd really like to know if there was a statistical significance between the improvment of people that were prayed for and those what were not. I truly don't believe in this!!! BTW, I think that if we want to help other people, actions are much more effective! Nell Reynolds wrote: Three or four years ago I read about some big research group that decided to research the efficacy of prayers. Yeah, right, I thought. But this research group asked people and groups all over the world to pray to their own god(s) in their own way to help various people. They enlisted Christian preachers of all denominations to ask for prayers from the pulpit, nuns and monks from various convents and monasteries, Buddhist temples, Muslim religious leaders, rabbis, and people from religions I had never heard of. The article said they conducted this in the standard double-blind method, different religions for various people not of their faith and in their faith, and a control group that got no prayer at all. No names were included, just requests for "a person (no gender or age) in (location) suffering from (affliction)." In every case, from every source of prayer, the target of the prayers reported improvement that was confirmed by diagnosis. Prayer does help. Nell in Austin " Ellison" wrote in message ... Howdy! Welcome home, RZ! SHE'S BAAACK!! Roberta & I "did" Fort Worth lightly the other day, finished w/ a glass of cold tea and a lonnnnng talk. Met Roberta's lovely older daughter; she does quilt shops, too. g Now let's talk Roberta into Houston 20-0-4 ! Ragmop/Sandy--leaving the charming thoughts from the original post "Roberta Zollner" wrote in message ... Glad you're mending! No need to thank us, really. Remember we're a network by our own volition. What affects you affects me, both the good stuff and the bad. And that quote-I-can't-remember about how shared joy multiplies, while shared trouble reduces? It's perfectly true. We bask in the light of our friends, even the cyber-light. I know for a fact that it's not even necessary to tell you my troubles to feel a calming presence. Reading the ng every day keeps all of you in my thoughts, just as I am sure to be in all of yours. Thanks! Roberta in D "Diana Curtis" wrote in message et... Im going to do a quick explanation with no gory details about my operation so everyone knows that I didnt get sent through a wringer. I had the type of gall bladder removal they used to do, and still do sometimes, instead of the easier to recover from laparoscopic type they prefer to do. So, instead of a set of tiny cuts I have a larger one, stapled shut, and two drain sites. The other part of the operation was a strange one where they ran a camera and other gizmos to the site of the stones via the mouth and got some out of the ducts. The reason my gall bladder needed this more invasive set of procedures was simply that there were so many stones and because they were large. Coctail onion size they said. While in the hospital I thought about what might and could happen while in surgery. I guess its inevitable to face ones own mortality, especially when we know we would leave precious little ones behind, but when I read the messages Mike printed and brought in from all of you I realized two things. Many of you had lived through these procedures and are happy for having done so. Second, I was not going to entertain the notion of leaving. Dying was not an option. I learned too that love can float around me and cradle me in times of fear. I felt very little. I dont know, or care what diety or enti ty you sent your prayers towards. I still feel them. They help me heal, because a body cant help but heal better when it feels happy, valued and loved. hmm...people have accused me of being effusive. Ill add maudlin to that list. Its your own problem if it seems over the top. In fact.. let me know if its over the top and Ill privately email you with MORE! buwahahahahahaha!!! hey, I dont LIKE whats happened to me... it hurts, but dang, you guys know how to do that love thing so nicely. My individual thanks will come as I have time and energy. I have a lot of them to do. I will do them with joy. Its so odd to feel so wonderfully happy. my love to you Diana I should probably let this sit overnight to edit later when Im not so high.. but.. i dont know.. is there a reason why I should not be this open with my feelings? http://photos.yahoo.com/lunamom44 -- Dr. Quilter Ambassador of Extraordinary Aliens --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/03 -- Dr. Quilter Ambassador of Extraordinary Aliens |
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Howdy!
I neither know for a fact nor worry about whether it's scientifically proved that prayer increases healing. However, there are some reputable groups researching this issue: http://www.ahsc.arizona.edu/opa/news/may03/prayer.htm http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/...ain68441.shtml http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Downt...emotehealing_f eature.html http://www.healingtherapies.info/prayer_and_healing.htm http://www.integral-inquiry.com/docs/649/empirical.pdf http://www.wholistichealingresearch....ch/Studies.htm http://spot.colorado.edu/~vstenger/RelSci/4.Dossey and so on, and so on. As a scientist yourself, you know that some people will study anything. In this case, it's more than just vague theory and opinion. Many of these studies include clinical tests, analyzing data, testing, researching, and studying the results. As you yourself have stated many time that you're not "a believer" in this area. I accept that. g However, for those who are, keep up the good work. Often it's Faith that produces Action. ;-) Ragmop/Sandy--I'm a little addicted to on-line search engines VBG "Dr. Quilter" wrote in message ... I am sorry, but I have to say something about this. I have heard of this, and I'd really like to know if there was a statistical significance between the improvment of people that were prayed for and those what were not. I truly don't believe in this!!! BTW, I think that if we want to help other people, actions are much more effective! Nell Reynolds wrote: Three or four years ago I read about some big research group that decided to research the efficacy of prayers. Yeah, right, I thought. But this research group asked people and groups all over the world to pray to their own god(s) in their own way to help various people. They enlisted Christian preachers of all denominations to ask for prayers from the pulpit, nuns and monks from various convents and monasteries, Buddhist temples, Muslim religious leaders, rabbis, and people from religions I had never heard of. The article said they conducted this in the standard double-blind method, different religions for various people not of their faith and in their faith, and a control group that got no prayer at all. No names were included, just requests for "a person (no gender or age) in (location) suffering from (affliction)." In every case, from every source of prayer, the target of the prayers reported improvement that was confirmed by diagnosis. Prayer does help. Nell in Austin -- Dr. Quilter Ambassador of Extraordinary Aliens |
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