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Old May 15th 04, 03:49 PM
Dr. Quilter
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oh, no, well, there we disagree! I am completely against animal testing!
to me no experiment with animals is truly acceptable. though I can see
why some are done (of course I want cure for diseases and right now
animal experimentation is the only way we have for making progress in
those), and obviously I am not going to go around burning buildings or
anything like that, but I have strived in my scientific career to
minimize my use of animals so much that I did my PhD with an in vitro
system and I am now working with yeast..

Julia in MN wrote:

Dr. Quilter wrote:

of course, I agree with you, but it is just a selling gimmick, like
the 'low fat' stuff! you might even be more subtle and think of
whether things that are 'organic' (in the sense that they are found in
living beings) are better to put inside/on top of your body than
inorganic stuff, but I am not even sure that is right....


I feel the same way about hair care products (and other stuff) that is
marketed as "not tested on animals". Does that mean I'll be the "guinea
pig"? I realize that animal testing may not always give an accurate
indication of how humans will react, but it seems to me that it is
reasonable to do some animal testing before testing in humans.

Julia in MN


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Old May 15th 04, 03:50 PM
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a bad thing....

Heather wrote:

Ok..I'm a dunce..is that a good or a bad thing?

"Dr. Quilter" wrote in message
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DH said when I mentioned this thread that the issue is that when they
purify things like the essential oils from a plant, other things come
along, such as the plant alkaloids....






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Old May 15th 04, 06:00 PM
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It may make you both happy to know that animal testing is still done
_but_ in a minimalized form.
We had a discussion on this in another group when some lasses were
flipping out because PETA included a company, whose products many
people use a lot, on their "does animal testing do not buy from them"
list. They company in question has not done any animal testing for
over 15 years, BUT some of the companies they buy ingredients from
do do animal testing. As I recall, if the ingredients to whatever
they are making have been tested, then (within reasonable parameters)
the final product does not have to be as extensive tested.
The FDA _does_ require testing to be done. And while they can get all
tearful and righteous and claim that _they_ do not require animal
testing, they absolutely do require testing for certain things for
which as of yet no other testing protocol (besides animal testing)
exists.
This is one of my pet peeves, that the FDA keeps saying that they do
not require animal testing when in fact they do, just not specificly.

NightMist
loves fuzzy little animals, but if it comes down to me or a rat, guess
who wins?

On Sat, 15 May 2004 07:49:39 -0700, "Dr. Quilter"
wrote:

oh, no, well, there we disagree! I am completely against animal testing!
to me no experiment with animals is truly acceptable. though I can see
why some are done (of course I want cure for diseases and right now
animal experimentation is the only way we have for making progress in
those), and obviously I am not going to go around burning buildings or
anything like that, but I have strived in my scientific career to
minimize my use of animals so much that I did my PhD with an in vitro
system and I am now working with yeast..

Julia in MN wrote:

Dr. Quilter wrote:

of course, I agree with you, but it is just a selling gimmick, like
the 'low fat' stuff! you might even be more subtle and think of
whether things that are 'organic' (in the sense that they are found in
living beings) are better to put inside/on top of your body than
inorganic stuff, but I am not even sure that is right....


I feel the same way about hair care products (and other stuff) that is
marketed as "not tested on animals". Does that mean I'll be the "guinea
pig"? I realize that animal testing may not always give an accurate
indication of how humans will react, but it seems to me that it is
reasonable to do some animal testing before testing in humans.

Julia in MN


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Old May 16th 04, 03:40 PM
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I think the key to all this is contained in this sentence:



NightMist wrote:
The FDA _does_ require testing to be done. And while they can get all
tearful and righteous and claim that _they_ do not require animal
testing, they absolutely do require testing for certain things for
which as of yet no other testing protocol (besides animal testing)
exists.


it would be wonderful if we could spend more time and be able to develop
artificial systems to test drugs on that did not involve living beings!

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