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Old July 7th 06, 02:17 PM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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"Ron Parker" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:02:53 -0400, Moonraker wrote:

Please disregard this answer. It was more than 100 words.



The executive summary, though, is pretty short: Dennis doesn't sell saws,
so he doesn't recommend them.

For once, I agree with him, but it won't keep me up at night because I
know that if he started selling them tomorrow morning, he'd be calling
them an essential piece of any "artisan's" studio by lunchtime.


Can you imagine his dilemma if a manufacturer were to offer a combo bandsaw
and belt sander? With a 900*F blade?


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Old July 7th 06, 02:51 PM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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While a saw does cut much slower than what one can cut by hand, there
are is a usefulness to them. If you use some art glass such as Uro
herringbone, drapery or other expensive glass, then a saw would/is
useful to avoid as much waste as possible. Glasses such as herringbone
and other heavy textures can be difficult to cut shapes such as inside
curves...a saw is very helpful here, the same with expensive glass like
Fisher and Fremont. Folks with carpal tunnel have found that saws can
relieve the pressure that normally comes with using a hand held cutter.
There is nothing wrong with using a saw if you want...it's you hobby,
your fun and your money. Learning to cut with a hand cutter is
obviously a good thing...and probably 95% fster than using a saw to
make the same cuts. However, when it come to what I mentioned above, a
saw is a useful tool.

Scratch

wrote:
well, so far, i haven't heard from one stained glass person who's
using a band or ring saw....

but until i do, the jury's still out...

ar


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Old July 7th 06, 05:44 PM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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Ron Parker wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:02:53 -0400, Moonraker wrote:

Please disregard this answer. It was more than 100 words.



The executive summary, though, is pretty short: Dennis doesn't sell saws,
so he doesn't recommend them.

For once, I agree with him, but it won't keep me up at night because I
know that if he started selling them tomorrow morning, he'd be calling
them an essential piece of any "artisan's" studio by lunchtime.


Dennis has always sold saws. He just thinks they SNUP for stained glass
but are only useful for fusing.

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Old July 7th 06, 08:12 PM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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wrote in message
ps.com...
this is an innovation i know nothing about...basically, since getting
back into SG, i've
ignored the topic when looking at catalogs but ...

all of a sudden it dawned on me that there are some folks out there who
are using
saws to cut glass????? really????

isn't this like cheating? where's the craftsman of old? is everyone
'hi-teching' it
these days?

can you give me a summary of how band saws are used in 100 words or
less???

thanks

ar...
in the dark ages of SG, i guess.


SG guy here. I have a ring saw and use it maybe 5 times a year for
weird things like cutting bottles, right angles, drapery glass, etc etc.
Bottom line is that it's a non essential toy for SG work. But........ I
don't need my IPOD or plasma decoder ring either. I love gadgets and buy
everyone I see. If you're not poor and love glass working, by all means get
a Taurus ringsaw. You'll have a blast with it!


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Old July 8th 06, 01:24 AM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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About 6 months ago, I purchased the Taurus III ring saw. Aside from
practicing on it (which it definitely requires) by cutting on numerous types
and thicknesses of glass and attempting every type of cut known to man, I
have used it for practical purposes exactly 0 times. Maybe it is a lack of
imagination on my part, but I really cannot come up with any truly viable
use for it. Maybe, I can see potentially using it for mosaics and for
fusing work as stated by others. I've cut some ceramics and rocks/crystals
with it. That was pretty cool and might be a viable use for a stained glass
artist if you are into adding inclusions in your work.

But, at present, the most positive things I can say about it is that it is a
nice color of red and doesn't eat much. Considering its original cost and
the space that it takes up, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, particularly
someone who is only doing stained glass.


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Old July 8th 06, 02:12 AM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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Well now, like I mentioned in another post...it's usually about what
glass you are using. It's not always about so called difficult cuts. I
truly believe that most folks do not challenge themselves enough and
usually end up using the cheap glass...Spectrum, Kokomo, Armstrong. The
beauty of the finished product is not always the design as it is the
glass. With that said, most folks shy away from the herringbones, the
fibroids and most of the real art glass. If you spend the money on an
expensive piece of glass, why waste part of it with having to hand cut
more away just to get the piece out. with a saw, you can go in and
decrease the waste you would normally end up with...then finish cutting
the piece out by hand. Have you ever tried to cut a 2" x 1" crescent
shaped piece out of herringbone...99% of the time the tips will
break...use a saw. Do my saws gather dust, sure they do but they are
there when I need them and knowing that, I can buy expensive glass and
not worry about whether or not I'm going to wast more than half of just
getting one piece cut. Bottom line, learn to cut by hand of course. And
as the Glass Guy said...if you can afford one and want one then buy one
and be happy. It's all good.

Scratch

FlameNwind wrote:
About 6 months ago, I purchased the Taurus III ring saw. Aside from
practicing on it (which it definitely requires) by cutting on numerous types
and thicknesses of glass and attempting every type of cut known to man, I
have used it for practical purposes exactly 0 times. Maybe it is a lack of
imagination on my part, but I really cannot come up with any truly viable
use for it. Maybe, I can see potentially using it for mosaics and for
fusing work as stated by others. I've cut some ceramics and rocks/crystals
with it. That was pretty cool and might be a viable use for a stained glass
artist if you are into adding inclusions in your work.

But, at present, the most positive things I can say about it is that it is a
nice color of red and doesn't eat much. Considering its original cost and
the space that it takes up, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, particularly
someone who is only doing stained glass.


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Old July 8th 06, 04:23 AM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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Hey, Scratch! I certainly hope you don't think that I was dismissing what
you had to say (who the heck am I to do that, right?), particularly since I
completely agree with you and JK and Moonie. I was just stating that for
the MOST part...the saw just takes up space. I think I would classify this
as one of those tools like a reciprocating saw...you never think about it
until you have a job that screams for it. HOWEVER, Arlene was asking for
opinions from owners of saws. I own a saw and, as demonstrated, I have an
opinion. And I regret that I spent a ton of money for this saw since it is,
in the scheme of things, a lesser tool. Again...in my opinion.

Lori


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Old July 8th 06, 04:58 AM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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Life is short. Noone can dismiss me unless I let them. :-) I offered my
opinon and you offered yours. Others did the same. As you said though,
a saw is one of those tools that you rarely use but when you need
it...it's there. Now, back to the lemonade!

Scratch

FlameNwind wrote:
Hey, Scratch! I certainly hope you don't think that I was dismissing what
you had to say (who the heck am I to do that, right?), particularly since I
completely agree with you and JK and Moonie. I was just stating that for
the MOST part...the saw just takes up space. I think I would classify this
as one of those tools like a reciprocating saw...you never think about it
until you have a job that screams for it. HOWEVER, Arlene was asking for
opinions from owners of saws. I own a saw and, as demonstrated, I have an
opinion. And I regret that I spent a ton of money for this saw since it is,
in the scheme of things, a lesser tool. Again...in my opinion.

Lori


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Old July 8th 06, 01:22 PM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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Default and something else now.....( 'splain to me about 'band saws')

okay...fighting aside (geez, you are a prickly lot!!)
i appreciate the feed back...

at the moment, i am leaning toward NOT purchasing a band saw at least
not in the immediate future.

i handle a glass cutter with enough skill to not need the extra
expense. however, and
giving the fact that i'm paying more for almost everything YOU GUYS
use, i may consider
a saw purchase sometime down the road.

right now, i have another question...what do you think about a 'table
foiler'...??

is that worth the expense?

i have a neighbor here that wants very much to help me...however, his
foiling skills suck
because his eyesight sucks and he's too 'proud' to wear glasses!! would
a table foiler
be of use or is it just another silly excuse to keep the economy
moving?


thanks...prickly-ness not included...you guys are pretty darned
'schmart' !!!

ar.

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Old July 8th 06, 11:49 PM posted to rec.crafts.glass
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wrote in message
oups.com...
okay...fighting aside (geez, you are a prickly lot!!)
i appreciate the feed back...

at the moment, i am leaning toward NOT purchasing a band saw at least
not in the immediate future.

i handle a glass cutter with enough skill to not need the extra
expense. however, and
giving the fact that i'm paying more for almost everything YOU GUYS
use, i may consider
a saw purchase sometime down the road.

right now, i have another question...what do you think about a 'table
foiler'...??


Table foiler is one of those gadgets that really work. It's easy to use,
saves time and worth every penny. I use it almost everyday. I can foil and
crimp over 100 pieces an hour without any of those little annoying finger
cuts. Yeah I know Moon I'm a wimp, but I'm gettin' too old to foil by hand
anymore.


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www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com


 




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